Thread: Barack Obama's citizenship questioned

Originally Posted by Mario Apuzzo

If Obama would produce the official black copy of actual birth certificate,
all the lawsuits would end, everyone questioning his birth would shut up
and go home. The story would end.

Everyone? Not you and I. The vault Hawaii Certificate of Live Birth is on green and white anti-counterfeiting paper with a tangible embossed seal of the State of Hawaii Department of Health. Is it time yet to produce the aged, UV-cured Certificate of Live Birth printed on the Heidelburg offset printing press in the Toronto museum? Or will a public spectacle - one that not even Walter Cronkite can misconstrue for the sheeple - precipitate presenting to the press the prefabrication produced on the Heidelburg printer, to prevent pressure by the proletariat from prevailing upon a Special Prosecutor to procure proof that the presumptuous pretender to the Presidency is no prince of progressives but rather a pseudo-President and a professional crook - the Swahilian Swindler.

No matter.

Official legal texts contemporaneous with the framing of the U.S. Constitution defined natural born citizens as those born in the country of parents who are citizens (plural). That is, a natural born citizen is one whose citizenship at birth cannot be anything else, one whose status at birth is defined naturally, not by statute.

Barrack Hussain Obama, Snr., a Kenyan, was a British Protected Subject, and British law conferred British Protected Subject status upon his son, Barack Hussein Obama II.

How could a British Protected Subject, whose status was regulated by British law, be a natural born citizen of the United States as the Framers of the Constitution intended?



"God grants liberty only to those who love it and are always ready to defend it." - Daniel Webster

"For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood [Obama, Pelosi, Reid], but against principalities, against powers,
against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places." - Ephesians 6:12

After placing a Kurt Lash document on the Ninth Amendment in my library on Scribd, I came across this interesting doc addressing why Obama would not be considered a natural born citizen according to the ancient Greeks:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/32029106/Anci ... -but-Kenya

Originally Posted by In the Athenian Constitution, 2.26, Aristotle

…it was resolved, on the motion of Pericles, that no one should [be]
admitted to the franchise who was not of citizen birth by both parents.

That is really exclusive, HylanderJuan. Are you sure you want to try to repeal the 14th Amendment, just when we are getting traction on repulsing the stampede in Congress toward amnesty?

Revise the 14th Amendment to not reward illegal aliens with "anchor baby" birthright citizenship, surely. But I for one don't want to attempt to throw out the 14th Amendment along with the Kennedy-McCain-Graham Comprehensive Abolish-the-Border Reform.

[quote=MinutemanCDC_SC]

Originally Posted by "In the Athenian Constitution, 2.26, Aristotle":3oulblqs

…it was resolved, on the motion of Pericles, that no one should [be]
admitted to the franchise who was not of citizen birth by both parents.

That is really exclusive, HylanderJuan. Are you sure you want to try to repeal the 14th Amendment, just when we are getting traction on repulsing the stampede in Congress toward amnesty?

Revise the 14th Amendment to not reward illegal aliens with "anchor baby" birthright citizenship, surely. But I for one don't want to attempt to throw out the 14th Amendment along with the Kennedy-McCain-Graham Comprehensive Abolish-the-Border Reform.[/quote:3oulblqs]

Wait a minute. I didn't offer any support for the doc - I merely said it was interesting.

Regarding the 14th and Congress, I think we have to get past the hurdle of whether or not
we still have a lawful constitutional republic before we can discuss changes to existing law.

If we are operating in a state of lawlessness and tyranny (as I DO suggest), then any
consideration for change of law is irrelevant.

Can anyone show me signs that we are still operating under the rule of law?

Bummer...the page is to big to read...

Originally Posted by hardlineconstitutionalist

Bummer...the page is to big to read...

For a full screen view, click on the rectangle to the left of "Search" at the bottom of the page.

Originally Posted by HighlanderJuan

Can anyone show me signs that we are still operating under the rule of law?

Unlike the streets of Baghdad or Bangkok, American licensed and insured drivers still usually obey the traffic signs.



Signs that we are still operating (motor vehicles, at least,) under the rule of law.



Signs that make you wonder... under what law are we operating?
1. You can go ahead or stay where you are, but whichever you do, where you're going to be is where you're at.
2. There's something in the road up ahead... we don't know what it is, but you can call 911 if it's a human body.
3 and 4. If the train is in your lane, pull over and let it pass, because it won't change lanes, not even for you.
5. No, that's not a sign; that's an angel coming toward you. And no, you didn't outrun the train either.



Signs that something is definitely wrong in the court house.
1. Telling those going to work in the government building in the background, "Don't give up - IN GOD WE TRUST."
2. Warning anyone joining those going around in circles, to yield right of way to those who don't know where they are going.
Or perhaps, if in the Florida Keys, proceed with caution and yield right of way to waterspouts crossing the highway.
3. Stop U.S. Officers - what? Presumably, they have a right to be doing whatever government business they are doing... no, maybe not.
4. Government with an attitude.



A sign that you'd better get out of town fast. There appear to be six bullet holes in the sign
(although those may be nails), and whoever he was, he was shooting in the direction of children (or at them)!

MinuteMan,

Very clever. Thanks for making my day.

Juan

http://gen.doh.hawaii.gov/sites/har/Adm ... 0Rules.pdf

PUBLIC HEALTH REGULATIONS

Department of Health, State of Hawaii

Chapter 8B

VITAL STATISTICS REGISTRATION AND RECORDS

[page 2]
2.2 List of Events

• The Director of Health shall make available for public information current
  lists of vital statistics events, including marriage license applications, by
  posting same in the State Health Department, Kinau Hale building, Honolulu,
  or the District Health Offices on Hawaii, Maui and Kauai or by providing
  the same to the local newspapers on request. Only such identifying
  information for each event shall be included as the Director of Health
  considers appropriate.[list:3udzumwo]A. No address shall be included in such lists unless approval is given by the
  registrants in cases of marriage license applications and marriage certifi-
  cates and by one of the parents in the case of births.
  B. Any report or information which in the judgment of the Director of
  Health may harm the character or reputation of a person involved shall
  be omitted from the lists.
  C. No illegitimate birth shall be included in any list prepared under this
  section.

[/list:u:3udzumwo]
[page 4]
2.5 Eligibility for Copies of Birth Certificates

• A. Standard Copy[list:3udzumwo]A certified copy of the original birth certificate on file with the
  Department of Health as described in paragraph 2.4B(1) may be issued to:
  [list:3udzumwo](1) The registrant, his descendants, his authorized agent or upon order
  of a court of competent jurisdiction. "Authorized Agent" means: [list:3udzumwo](a) Persons named as parents on the birth certificate;
  (b) A guardian having legal custody or control of a minor child;
  (c) An attorney representing the registrant or his parents if the
  registrant is a minor, for matters involving the registrant
  or his parents;
  (d) Any person or agency empowered by statute or appointed by
  a court to act in the registrant's behalf;
  (e) A child welfare or similar social agency acting for the registrant
  to obtain some benefit or claim or to effect a change in civil status;
  (f) A governmental agency acting on behalf of the registrant to
  process a financial claim, benefit, award or other compensation
  or to transact official business involving the registrant or his
  affairs;
  (g) Parents of the persons named as parents on the birth certificate;
  (h) A person who presents a letter from the person named on the
  original birth record in which a specific request is made for a
  copy of such record;

(2) The alleged father of a child born out of wedlock provided his name
appears on the certificate or he has filed a declaration of paternity
with the vital records office, or has been named as the father of the
child in a declaration of paternity signed by the mother.
(3) In all other cases where a person may wish to apply for an official
birth certificate copy on behalf of any of the individuals named on
the original birth record, provided that the copy is mailed directly to
the person in whose behalf the application is made.[/list:u:3udzumwo][/list:u:3udzumwo]
B. Abbreviated Copy

• (1) A certified copy may be issued to any person authorized to receive a
  standard certified copy.
  (2) A non-certified copy containing only such information as is listed in
  accordance with Section 2.2 may be issued to any person or organization
  requesting it.

[/list:u:3udzumwo]

Originally Posted by MinutemanCDC_SC

Originally Posted by hardlineconstitutionalist

Bummer...the page is to big to read...

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Guess I am the only one with the problem. But there is no search at the bottom of my page. This page is twice the size in width... Ow well... This dog is getting old anyway... The man is not legal...and I knew that before he was voted in.

Originally Posted by hardlineconstitutionalist

Guess I am the only one with the problem. But there is no search at the bottom of my page.

The rectangle is the full screen button, which enables you to see the complete image. You're welcome.