Thread: Barack Obama's citizenship questioned

I just received this in the form of an e-mail from someone who has not historically shown any interest in the eligibility issue. I suspect that the e-mail source has been around for a while due to the Tiger Woods reference, but it is interesting to see one more person being alert to the eligibility issue.

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I THINK IT IS REMARKABLE THAT WITHIN A WEEK OF TIGER WOODS CRASHING HIS ESCALADE, THE PRESS FOUND EVERY WOMAN WITH WHOM TIGER HAS HAD AN AFFAIR IN THE LAST FEW YEARS, WITH PHOTOS, TEXT MESSAGES, RECORDED PHONE CALLS, ETC. AND, THEY NOT ONLY KNOW THE CAUSE OF THE FAMILY FIGHT, BUT THEY EVEN KNOW IT WAS A CLUB FROM HIS GOLF BAG THAT HIS WIFE USED TO BREAK OUT THE WINDOWS IN THE ESCALADE. NOT ONLY THAT, THEY KNOW WHICH CLUB!

AND EACH AND EVERY DAY, THEY COULD GIVE AMERICA MORE UPDATES ON HIS SEX-REHAB, HIS WIFE'S PLANS FOR DIVORCE, AND THE DATES AND TOURNAMENTS HE WOULD PLAY.


OBAMA HAS BEEN IN OFFICE FOR NEARLY 18-MONTHS, AND THIS SAME PRESS:

STILL CANNOT FIND ANY OF HIS CHILDHOOD FRIENDS OR NEIGHBORS

OR LOCATE ANY OF OBAMA'S COLLEGE PAPERS OR GRADES

OR HOW HE PAID FOR A COLLEGE / HARVARD EDUCATION

OR WHICH COUNTRY ISSUED HIS VISA TO TRAVEL TO PAKISTAN IN THE 1980'S

OR BARRY SORETORO OR EVEN MICHELLE OBAMA'S PRINCETON THESIS ON RACISM.

THEY JUST CAN'T SEEM TO FIND ANYTHING.

YET THE PUBLIC STILL TRUSTS THAT SAME PRESS TO GIVE THEM THE WHOLE TRUTH !

TRULY REMARKABLE !!!

Fred Dardick is at it again. I'll probably put this up on Scribd.com.

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From the White House to the Big House: 25 Impeachable Crimes and Counting

By Fred Dardick Tuesday, July 27, 2010
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/25831

Last week Rep. Michelle Bachmann was asked what Republicans had in mind should they retake the House of Representatives this November, she replied “I think that all we should do is issue subpoenas and have one hearing after another and expose all the nonsense that is going on.â€

Originally Posted by hardlineconstitutionalist

Originally Posted by TexasBorn

hardline, there WILL be elections, both for congress and potus. There may be voter fraud that comes into play, but they will hold elections. To do otherwise would be to invite massive civil unrest. This ain't gonna happen. We just need to watch the elections closely, jail those who commit fraud and try and convict those officials who take part in any illegal behavior.

Originally Posted by hardlineconstitutionalist

I have studied for many many years to find "what is the problem?" I feel that I now stand the at the root of the usurpation tree... This will be my pat answer to nearly every string or question asked of me from now on... And the message I will tell to anyone that will listen to me.

Until the "State of National Emergency" is undeclared we will continue to live in a dictatorship. It is just that simple. The odds are that since Obama is not legally eligible and will not pass the new laws that will require him to prove his citizenship for reelection...he will probably use the state of war clause that says that no new elections will happen thereby allowing him and congress to stay in office indefinitely.


State of national emergency From Source Watch

"According to the United States Constitution, Article 1, only Congress shall make federal law. However, since the War and Emergency Powers Act of 1933, every president has usurped lawmaking powers. Their 'laws' are called Executive Orders (EOs). These EOs, not our Constitution, are what is governing America today. The War and Emergency Powers Act enables ... the president to declare a national emergency, and thereby become a dictator."[1]

"Presidents can also carefully choose their words and declare a war on anything, in order to give them dictatorial control. For example, the War on Drugs makes it possible to use federal authorities, such as FBI, FEMA, BATF, and the military against American citizens. A well-known example is Waco. Another example is Hurricane Opal. After Florida was declared a nation emergency, the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) arrived on the scene and residents were placed under marshal law (restricted to the point of not going outside their door). When the federal government does this, it is going against the Constitution. The War and Emergency Powers Act is an unconstitutional act on the part of our government, created so that presidents can bypass Congress, and do whatever they choose."[2]

"It also makes it possible to do away with posse comitatus in cases of 'emergency'. Posse comitatus is what protects American citizens from the military being used against them."[3]
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?ti ... _emergency

Yours is an opinioun based on nothing but hope. I hope you are right but it is wise to understand what the enemy has up its sleave. If what I warn happens... you will be able to say...Darn it... I should have paid more attention!

hardline, don't get me wrong. I also fear the same thing that you do. My point was, nothing happens in a vacuum and nothing happens on this scale that hasn't been planned for a long time. However, Obama is a puppet for for wealthy interests both inside and outside the U.S. They aren't dummies and they realize that the ensuing civil unrest as I mentioned is just plain bad for business. I would expect something much more subtle and insidious.

hardline, don't get me wrong. I also fear the same thing that you do. My point was, nothing happens in a vacuum and nothing happens on this scale that hasn't been planned for a long time. However, Obama is a puppet for for wealthy interests both inside and outside the U.S. They aren't dummies and they realize that the ensuing civil unrest as I mentioned is just plain bad for business. I would expect something much more subtle and insidious.

I know you understand...probably as well as anyone.

I think that it started so long ago that there was no way for anyone to know or understand it. 1. as a new country we were very trusting and 2. there was no news organizations hanging on every word like today.

The wake up call for everyone is to realize how long this usurpation has been on going. When you look at just these 10 points it helps to understand the enormity of the situation. How far the people have to go in their education before anything can happen.

These are just 10 points out of…how many.. that we all have to wake up to. I try to get people to understand one so that they can open their eyes to the “possibilityâ€

Some of you say that the Muslim world has gained control over US. I think it's actually the Soviets.

I saw a video on YouTube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJ2fMeer5Mw on a former KGB spy who explained back then what is happening now EXACTLY. I think you'll be blown away just like me to hear what he has to say.

Originally Posted by Peter10

Some of you say that the Muslim world has gained control over US. I think it's actually the Soviets.

I saw a video on YouTube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJ2fMeer5Mw on a former KGB spy who explained back then what is happening now EXACTLY. I think you'll be blown away just like me to hear what he has to say.

We are being attacked on both fronts. Unfortunately, the progressives and communists in our culture have been teaching our children for many generations, and the question of whether or not we can survive these long term cultural attacks is still unanswered.

Totalitarian forces will always attack and try to destroy the forces of freedom simply because they can only exist in a two-class controlled environment where freedom is not allowed to exist. Communism and Islam are the same style of totalitarian controlled environment. http://www.scribd.com/doc/31814370/Kell ... -and-Islam

Freedom kills oligarchies and totalitarian regimes, just as I hope we do with the central government progressives this November 2nd. If it's not too late.

Remember, if you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything. Like communism. Judeo/Christian America is a big target for evil forces.

So, what do we really stand for these days? The destruction of America has been prophesied for many years (see: http://online.wsj.com/article/NA_WSJ_PU ... 38419.html ). Will we survive? How strong are your own beliefs? How much will you sacrifice to preserve our American lifestyle? Will you be merciless toward your enemies?

I think it is time for all of us to re-examine ourselves and determine what kind of 'stuff' we are made of. What kind of future do we want for ourselves and for our families and friends? Are we willing to work toward that end, or are we just going to sit on the sidelines and 'let George do it?'

There's a new book out:

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Hawaiian birth? Still ineligible

Best-selling book cites Founders, numerous Supreme Court rulings

Posted: July 27, 2010, 8:56 pm Eastern
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=184453

President Obama may not fit the constitutional eligibility requirement that stipulates only "natural born" citizens can serve as U.S. president, conclude the authors of a recently released book.

An investigation by the authors found that according to correspondence from the original framers of the Constitution as well as multiple Supreme Court rulings and the legal writings that helped establish the principles of the Constitution, Obama is not eligible to serve as president since his father was not a U.S. citizen.

With nearly 900 endnotes, the book, "The Manchurian President: Barack Obama's ties to communists, socialists and other anti-American extremists," was written by WND senior reporter Aaron Klein and researcher Brenda J. Elliott.

The authors concluded Obama may not be eligible regardless of his place of birth. The book recommends further legislative and judicial debate.

Here's the rundown on Obama's ties to "communists, socalists and other anti-American extremists – all in "The Manchurian President."

"It is undisputed that Obama's father was not a U.S. citizen," wrote Klein, "a fact that should have led to congressional debate about whether Obama is eligible under the United States Constitution to serve as president."

Obama was born Aug. 4, 1961, to Stanley Ann Dunham and Barack Obama Sr. Dunham was an American of predominantly English descent from Wichita, Kan., and was 18 years old at the time of Obama's birth. Obama Sr. was a member of the Luo tribe from Nyang'oma Kogelo, Nyanza Province, Kenya, which at the time was still a British colony.

Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5 of the U.S. Constitution stipulates presidential eligibility, requiring the nation's elected chief to be a "natural born citizen."

The clause states: "No person except a natural born citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."

The Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution specifically defines "citizen" but not "natural born citizen"

A "citizen" is defined as: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are Citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

However, no definition of "natural born citizen" – which is only used in the presidential requirement clause – was provided anywhere in the Constitution, and to this day the precise meaning of the term is still being debated.

There are no records of any definitive discussion on the matter during the Constitutional Convention. That – coupled with the absence of definitive Supreme Court rulings and a wide array of opinions throughout the centuries – has only further confused the question of what "natural born" actually means.

Still, the authors found that according to the framers of the Constitution as well as Supreme Court rulings, Obama does not fit the eligibility requirements.

'Natural born' defined

The first U.S. Congress passed a law that began to define "natural born." The Naturalization Act of 1790 rejected the condition of being born on U.S. soil and referred only to parentage: "The children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States," the Act states, "shall be considered as natural born citizens: Provided, that the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States.

Five years later, however, Congress repealed the act.

"Still, it was clear that the intention of the Constitution's 'natural born citizen' qualification was to ensure the country would not be led by an individual with dual loyalties," wrote Klein in "The Manchurian President."

On July 25, 1787, John Jay, one of the three authors of the Federalist Papers, wrote to George Washington, who was at the time presiding over the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia.

Jay discussed the dual loyalty concern, writing: "Permit me to hint, whether it would be wise and seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government; and to declare expressly that the Commander in Chief of the American army shall not be given to nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen."

Jay, however, also did not define "natural born."

Representative John Bingham of Ohio, a principal framer of the Fourteenth Amendment, offered some definition for presidential qualifications in a discussion in the House on March 9, 1866: "[I] find no fault with the introductory clause [S 61 Bill], which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen."

"So according to Bingham, as well, Obama would not be eligible to serve as president," wrote Klein.

To try to understand what the Founding Fathers meant by "natural born," the authors wrote in "The Manchurian President" that some have turned to prominent legal tomes of the day.

The Law of Nations, a 1758 work by Swiss legal philosopher Emmerich de Vattel, was read by many of the American Founders and informed their understanding of the principles of law, which became established in the Constitution of 1787.

De Vattel writes in Book 1, Chapter 19, of his treatise, "The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. … In order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.

"So by de Vattel's standards, Obama arguably would not be eligible to serve as president," wrote Klein.

Supreme Court casts doubt

Numerous Supreme Court decisions have yielded conflicting views of citizenship and what it means to be a "natural born citizen." In Dred Scott v. Sandford, in 1857, for example, the court ruled that citizenship is acquired by place of birth, not through blood or lineage.

But much of that decision – which had notoriously excluded slaves, and their descendants, from possessing constitutional rights – was overturned in 1868.

Another case, Minor v. Happersett, in 1874, mentions the "natural born" issue.

"At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the constitution were familiar," the decision states, "it was never doubted that all children born in a country, of parents [plural] who were its citizens [plural], became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further, and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction, without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first. For the purposes of this case, it is not necessary to solve these doubts. It is sufficient, for everything we have now to consider, that all children, born of citizen parents within the jurisdiction, are themselves citizens.

Writes Klein: "According to this definition, and scores of other Supreme Court rulings, Obama may not be eligible to serve as president."

The authors conclude that a "reading of readily available legal resources regarding the definition of 'natural born citizen" clearly indicates a series of legitimate questions about Barack Obama's eligibility for the presidency, given that Obama's father was not an American citizen."

"The resources warrant further debate," wrote Klein.

"The Manchurian President" points out despite these glaring eligibility issues, the legislative and judicial bodies of the U.S. government have held no formal discussions, nor did they conduct a single formal investigation into whether Obama is eligible to serve under the Fourteenth Amendment.

Congress did, however, question the "natural born" qualifications of Obama's 2008 presidential opponent, Republican Sen. John McCain.

The scion of distinguished U.S. naval officers, McCain was born to two American parents in the Panama Canal Zone. On April 30, 2008, the U.S. Senate sought to answer the question by passing a nonbinding resolution, which states, "Whereas John Sidney McCain, III, was born to American citizens on an American military base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936: Now, therefore, be it resolved, that John Sidney McCain, III, is a 'natural born citizen' under Article II, Section 1, of the Constitution of the United States."

Obama called 'Manchurian President'

Meanwhile, "The Manchurian President" bills itself as the most exhaustive investigation ever performed into Obama and his radical background and ties.

Among the many finds of "The Manchurian President":

* A coalition of extremists, including a founder of William Ayers' Weather Underground domestic-terrorist organization, helped craft Obama's "stimulus" bill;

* Obama's health-care policy, masked by moderate populist rhetoric, was pushed along and partially crafted by extremists, some of whom reveal in their own words that their principal aim is to achieve corporate socialist goals and a vast increase in government powers;

* Extremists are among Obama's "czars" and other top advisers. New information links top advisers Axelrod and Valerie Jarrett to communist activists. The book uncovers correspondence in which a communist confesses to mentoring and educating Axelrod and helping the top Obama aide to secure his first job. Obama then later worked with the same communist, the book finds;

* Copious research reveals more about Obama's deep ties to Ayers, uncovering for the first time where and how Obama first met Ayers – and it is much earlier than previously believed;

* Important aspects of Obama's carefully covered-up college years, with new details of his student career at Occidental College and later at Columbia University, are revealed;

* Obama's early years, including his previously overlooked early childhood ties to a radical, far-left church, are documented;

* Obama's associations with the Nation of Islam, Black Liberation Theology and black political extremists are also revealed, with extensive new information on the subjects;

* Obama's deep ties to ACORN, which are much more extensive than previously documented elsewhere, are covered. The book also crucially describes how a socialist-led, ACORN-affiliated union helped facilitate Obama's political career and now exerts major influence in the White House.

Originally Posted by Peter10

Some of you say that the Muslim world has gained control over US. I think it's actually the Soviets.

I saw a video on YouTube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJ2fMeer5Mw on a former KGB spy who explained back then what is happening now EXACTLY. I think you'll be blown away just like me to hear what he has to say.

Fantastic...this is what I was trying to say. Socialist do not care about facts. They do not see them.

First volley fired in the Mayoral/City Council “Stop the Treasonâ€

Press Release: Lakin Makes Formal Request of Hawaii Deposition
http://www.safeguardourconstitution.com ... 00728.html

American Patriot Foundation, Inc.
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PRESS RELEASE

DECORATED ARMY DOCTOR LTC TERRY LAKIN MAKES FORMAL REQUEST TO COMMANDING GENERAL FOR DEPOSITION OF HAWAII STATE DEPT OF HEALTH

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Testimony Sought of “Custodian of Recordsâ€