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    Quote Originally Posted by TexasBorn
    roundabout, I don't believe that Obama will be allowed on the ballots of some states due to ineligibility. Arizona comes to mind.

    Not being allowed on the ballots of some already red states will not change the electoral count for Mr. Obama.

    The liberals, progressives, Democratic Socialists, communists, and fellow travelers have not striven since 1920 to gain control of the U.S., only to surrender that control just to maintain the illusion of free and fair elections.

    Mr. Obama holds de facto authority over the Federal Election Commission. Even if he cannot predetermine the outcome of the elections to his advantage, expect his many minions to riot in the summer of 2012. Then expect the widespread chaos to force a declaration of martial law and the suspension of elections, lest a "less than satisfactory" outcome provoke the rioters to burn down New York City, Los Angeles, Washington, D.C., and maybe even Chi-town, "Beirut by the Lake."

    Put NO confidence in 2012 elections to effect a peaceful transfer of power. If Mr. Obama has not been ousted before Nov. 6, 2012, do not expect him to be removed then by mere elections.
    One man's terrorist is another man's undocumented worker.

    Unless we enforce laws against illegal aliens today,
    tomorrow WE may wake up as illegals.

    The last word: illegal aliens are ILLEGAL!

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    From the Immigration Act of 1790:



    The Immigration Act of 1795 revised the phrase before
    "Provided," "natural born citizen," to read, "citizen".

    In 1795, it was understood innately that persons born
    outside the U.S. were not "natural born citizens."

    But in 1790, Tories in Congress were still attempting to
    slip foreign-born persons past the "natural born Citizen"
    requirement in Art. ii, § 1, ¶ 5 of the U.S. Constitution.
    One man's terrorist is another man's undocumented worker.

    Unless we enforce laws against illegal aliens today,
    tomorrow WE may wake up as illegals.

    The last word: illegal aliens are ILLEGAL!

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    [size=117][In reply to Frank Davis, Atty. Mario Apuzzo plumbs the depths of legal doctrine re nbC:]

    1. You might have learned in your first year of law school the definition of a holding, but your surely did not learn how to read a case and how to argue consistently and without contradicting yourself. Now you have a new approach. Let me help you by putting your argument in the logical order in which you wished you would have presented it.[list]“The important issue was what rights were available to citizens under the Constitution historically - which is where the various discussions of citizens come in.â€
    One man's terrorist is another man's undocumented worker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MinutemanCDC_SC
    Quote Originally Posted by TexasBorn
    roundabout, I don't believe that Obama will be allowed on the ballots of some states due to ineligibility. Arizona comes to mind.

    Not being allowed on the ballots of some already red states will not change the electoral count for Mr. Obama.

    The liberals, progressives, Democratic Socialists, communists, and fellow travelers have not striven since 1920 to gain control of the U.S., only to surrender that control just to maintain the illusion of free and fair elections.

    Mr. Obama holds de facto authority over the Federal Election Commission. Even if he cannot predetermine the outcome of the elections to his advantage, expect his many minions to riot in the summer of 2012. Then expect the widespread chaos to force a declaration of martial law and the suspension of elections, lest a "less than satisfactory" outcome provoke the rioters to burn down New York City, Los Angeles, Washington, D.C., and maybe even Chi-town, "Beirut by the Lake."

    Put NO confidence in 2012 elections to effect a peaceful transfer of power. If Mr. Obama has not been ousted before Nov. 6, 2012, do not expect him to be removed then by mere elections.
    Minuteman, have a little faith! If even ONE state declares Obama ineligible, there will be more. I know it sounds far fetched but miracles DO happen! His whole administration is coming unraveled. Maybe F&F is the stitch that unravels the whole wardrobe!
    ...I call on you in the name of Liberty, of patriotism & everything dear to the American character, to come to our aid...

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    Letter From The Alamo Feb 24, 1836

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    Thank you, Texasborn, for the encouragement. I'm "doom-and-gloomy" by nature. Maybe I am focusing at the dark side too much.

    While I'm apologizing, I am sorry that I have led all of you to believe that God, Who lifts up kings and deposes the same, would act on our behalf in response to repentance, prayer, and faith. Either you and I have been found wanting in that regard, or God's schedule of events inevitably includes the demise of the United States.

    Either way, the present usurpation is unlawful and lawless, truly the devil's work, and we do well to submit to God and resist the devil that he may flee from us.

    I am sorry if I have misled any of you. Trust in God; He will do what He thinks best.
    One man's terrorist is another man's undocumented worker.

    Unless we enforce laws against illegal aliens today,
    tomorrow WE may wake up as illegals.

    The last word: illegal aliens are ILLEGAL!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MinutemanCDC_SC
    Thank you, Texasborn, for the encouragement. I'm "doom-and-gloomy" by nature. Maybe I am focusing at the dark side too much.

    While I'm apologizing, I am sorry that I have led all of you to believe that God, Who lifts up kings and deposes the same, would act on our behalf in response to repentance, prayer, and faith. Either you and I have been found wanting in that regard, or God's schedule of events inevitably includes the demise of the United States.

    Either way, the present usurpation is unlawful and lawless, truly the devil's work, and we do well to submit to God and resist the devil that he may flee from us.

    I am sorry if I have misled any of you. Trust in God; He will do what He thinks best.
    Minuteman, I always believe that God helps those who help themselves. He just wants us to keep the faith and stay the course! We'll get to where we need to be!
    ...I call on you in the name of Liberty, of patriotism & everything dear to the American character, to come to our aid...

    William Barret Travis
    Letter From The Alamo Feb 24, 1836

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    "God helps those who help themselves" originated with Euripedes, a Greek philosopher.
    • "Bestir yourself, and then call on the gods,
      For heaven assists the man that laboureth."
    But the God of the Bible helps the helpless.
    • For You have been a defense for the helpless,
      A defense for the needy in his distress,
      A refuge from the storm, a shade from the heat;
      - Isaiah 25:4a

      For while we were still helpless, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly.
      For one will hardly die for a righteous man; though perhaps for the good man
      someone would dare even to die. But God demonstrates His own love toward us,
      in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, having now
      been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him.
      For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son,
      much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.
      - Romans 5:6-10

    IMHO, we cannot count on God helping us if we "help ourselves" by taking up arms
    against tyranny while there yet remains the opportunity for redress of grievances.


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    This is a little off point, but there seems to be action we don't see very clearly. Two huge underground cities were destroyed on August 23rd and we were told it was earthquakes. Maybe so, maybe not. If you read this article through to the end, it would seem we have some unseen allies, and the one worlders are on their way out.

    http://www.divinecosmos.com/start-here/ ... roundbases

    In addition to this G2, we have this former CIA spook (Robert Steele) who also thinks the one worlders are on their way out. This video goes back a few years, maybe 2007.

    Short version:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BH2O7PL9cko

    Long version:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Afb8H-1fcYU

    There is so much information in the divinecosmos.com link that I still haven't formed an opinion on its content. My skeptic barometer is doing the 'pause while we get more info' bit.

    Interestingly enough, the first link considers the 'white hats' are the military, and Steele thinks they are whacked out.
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    Minuteman, Texas... Remember this : Thy Will Be Done"
    Those words are refering to GODS WILL, not Ours.
    The things in life that are Granted to us By God, Not our fellow Man.
    So, if another Revolution comes it will be Gods Will, and I will follow.
    <div>MY eyes HAVE seen the GLORY... And that GLORY BELONGS to US... We the PEOPLE!</div>

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    http://www.alipac.us/ftopic-252460-0-da ... rasc-.html

    Ex-Indiana governor: That's not my signature on Obama petition

    Associated Press

    12:33 p.m. CDT, October 12, 2011
    Former Gov. Joe Kernan says a signature on a petition to place Barack Obama's name on Indiana's 2008 primary ballot isn't his, putting him among dozens of dubious signatures found in a newspaper's investigation.

    Kernan, a Democrat who campaigned for Hillary Clinton during the 2008 primary, told the South Bend Tribune that he didn't sign the Obama document.

    "No, not at all," the former South Bend mayor said when asked whether the signature next to his name on the Obama petition looked like his own. "Nor does the printing look like mine."

    The Tribune reported Wednesday that it has talked with more than 40 people who say they didn't sign ballot petitions submitted in St. Joseph County for Obama or Clinton, despite their names appearing on the documents.

    State Republican Party Chairman Eric Holcomb has called for a federal investigation into the matter.

    "How deep does this problem go?" Holcomb said. "Is it isolated to St. Joseph County, or was it a broader, coordinated effort across the state? ... Who forged the signatures and why?"

    The Tribune first reported Sunday that it and the Howey Politics Indiana newsletter had found pages from Clinton and Obama petitions with names and signatures that appear to have been copied by hand from a petition for 2008 Democratic gubernatorial hopeful Jim Schellinger. The petitions were filed with the Indiana Election Division after the St. Joseph County Voter Registration Office verified individuals' information on the documents.

    The petitions were submitted in late January and early February 2008, weeks before it became apparent that Obama and Clinton would be hotly contesting Indiana's May primary in their tight race for the Democratic nomination. Clinton narrowly won the state, but Obama won many delegates in his successful drive for the nomination.

    Indiana law requires candidates for president, senator and governor to submit ballot petitions signed by at least 500 registered voters in each of the state's nine congressional districts to qualify for the statewide primary ballot. The Tribune reported the investigation had only found questionable signatures among the St. Joseph County petitions.

    County Prosecutor Michael Dvorak, a Democrat, has started an investigation into the faked signatures.

    Indiana Democratic Party Chairman Dan Parker said the petitions were submitted and approved through the normal process in a bipartisan county office and that he supports an investigation.

    "Even an isolated instance of misconduct, by one individual among the hundreds of volunteers working to collect signatures for the candidates, should be thoroughly investigated, and we support such an inquiry," Parker said.

    Holcomb said the questionable signatures raised "real questions" about the process and that he believed the U.S. Department of Justice should investigate the matter.

    "The integrity of every election is of the utmost importance," Holcomb said in a news release.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/loca ... ?track=rss

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