Thread: Barack Obama's citizenship questioned

Voeltz v. Obama: Obama, Define Natural Born Citizen!


6/4/12




Judge Terry Lewis of Leon County, Florida has agreed to hear a case on Obama's eligibility.

• When: June 18, 2012, 9AM
• Where: Leon County, FL
• Jurisdiction: Circuit Court Of The Second Judicial Circuit

This not about his birth but rather about what the definition of a "natural born citizen" is.
There are some doubts.
Nobody denies that you are a citizen if you are born on US soil. The question is whether there are special qualifiers that must be true to make someone "natural born", i.e.

1. both parents born on US soil OR
2. both parents being US citizens irregardless of their birthplace OR
3. only one parent born on US soil or US citizen
4. none of the above.

If #4 is true then the anchor baby of illegal immigrants would also be eligible. Would that have been okay with the founders?
The lawyer in the case is Larry Klayman and here is what he said in a press release:

Klayman stressed that the eligibility is very important particularly with this president, Barack Hussein Obama. He added: "The framers were not stupid. They understood that a president with divided loyalties could present a security and other risks for our nation. Obama's Muslim heritage, which emanates from his Kenyan father (who had to be deported from the U.S.), frankly explains why he sides frequently with and takes actions to further the interests of Muslim nations against the United States; specifically his refusal to take forceful action against the Islamic Republic of Iran and its leaders over nuclear armament and human rights violations and atrocities."
Klayman's work is supported by ConstitutionActionFund.org, a non-profit raising money for the legal challenge.

Voeltz v. Obama: Obama, Define Natural Born Citizen!

53 seconds that should end a presidency - YouTube

Originally Posted by kathyet

53 seconds that should end a presidency - YouTube

That's forgivable, as are The Choom Gang of 33 or so years ago, and his 20 years of auditing under Jeremiah Wright's instruction on Marxist Black Liberation Theology. Admission to Harvard Law School through association with Percy Sutton and Khalid Abdullah Tariq al-Mansour, a.k.a. Donald Warden, mentor at Berkeley to young Black Panthers Huey Newton and Bobby Seale, disciples of Malcolm X... not so good.

But the three facts that will bust his case and remove him from the Presidency are:

• his birth in Coast Province General Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya, to
• his father of record, Barrack Hussain Obama, Sr., who was a Kenyan British Protected Citizen and never a U.S. citizen, and
• his mother, Anna Dunham Obama, who was 117 days shy of the "physically present in the United States... not less than ten years, at least five of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years," which the INA of 1952, as worded and in effect in 1961, required of her in order to confer her U.S. citizenship to her foreign-born child of an alien.

Other storms he may weather without losing the ship, but those three facts will sink Her Majesty's Ship Obamapop.

The U.S. Customs and Immigration Service has purged its web pages which document Section 301(a)(7) INA 1952 as it was in effect in 1961, which therefore apply to Barack Obama II, including the section that reads "ten years residence in the U.S. five after attaining the age of fourteen," concerning a U.S. citizen, an alien, and their foreign-born offspring.

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Anderson v Holder 4 27-10 citz case later overruled 3-12-12

However, the purged information is still available in the U.S. Department of State Foreign Affairs Manual (FAM) Volume 7 - Consular Affairs.

N.B. the phrase, "still is applicable to persons born during that period."

7 FAM 1133.2-2 Original Provisions and Amendments to Section 301
(CT:CON-317; 12-08-2009)

a. Section 301 as Effective on December 24, 1952: When enacted in 1952, section 301 required a U.S. citizen married to an alien to have been physically present in the United States for ten years, including five after reaching the age of fourteen, to transmit citizenship to foreign-born children. The ten-year transmission requirement remained in effect from 12:01 a.m. EDT December 24, 1952, through midnight November 13, 1986, and still is applicable to persons born during that period. As originally enacted, section 301(a)(7) stated:
Section 301. (a) The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:
(7) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than ten years, at least five of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years: Provided, That any periods of honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States by such citizen parent may be included in computing the physical presence requirements of this paragraph.

The above information is also quoted in the case of Anderson v Holder, No. 07-74042 (9th Cir. March 12, 2012), at Section 7.

Originally Posted by MinutemanCDC_SC

That's forgivable, as are The Choom Gang of 33 or so years ago, and his 20 years of auditing under Jeremiah Wright's instruction on Marxist Black Liberation Theology. Admission to Harvard Law School through association with Percy Sutton and Khalid Abdullah Tariq al-Mansour, a.k.a. Donald Warden, mentor at Berkeley to young Black Panthers Huey Newton and Bobby Seale, disciples of Malcolm X... not so good.

But the three facts that will bust his case and remove him from the Presidency are:

• his birth in Coast Province General Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya, to
• his father of record, Barrack Hussain Obama, Sr., who was a Kenyan British Protected Citizen and never a U.S. citizen, and
• his mother, Anna Dunham Obama, who was 117 days shy of the "physically present in the United States... not less than ten years, at least five of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years," which the INA of 1952, as worded and in effect in 1961, required of her in order to confer her U.S. citizenship to her foreign-born child of an alien.

Other storms he may weather without losing the ship, but those three facts will sink Her Majesty's Ship Obamapop.

You would think so but it HASN'T worked yet!!!

Did Barack Obama Intentionally Misidentify Former Boss to Hide Affiliation with Saul Alinsky?
posted on June 6, 2012 by da Tagliare


Jerry KellmanSo many things that come from Barack Obama are fiction that it’s hard to know when it’s real or when he’s lying again. Case in point is his birth and background. According to investigative reports, his birth certificate and Selective Service Card are both forgeries. The only campaign example he can come up with to demonstrate his policies is a fictional girl named Julia. The job creation figures in his campaign commercials are also fictional and in no way represent the real world. The list of Obama fictions goes and on, but I would like to talk about one that has recently come to light.

In his supposed autobiography, Dreams From My Father, Obama talks about his time in Chicago when he became a community organizer in the 1980s. In his book, Obama refers to his boss as Marty Kaufman. However, New York Times columnist Maureen Dowd identified Obama’s boss as Jerry Kellman.

Kellman was responsible for hiring a young Barack Obama to work for the Developing Communities Project (DCP) in Chicago. At the time, Kellman was the chief of DCP and hired Obama to be the director and lead organizer for the organization.

So one would wonder why Obama referred to Jerry Kellman as Marty Kaufman in his book?

Perhaps it has to do with the fact that Kellman was trained or schooled by Saul Alinsky. Those of you that are nor familiar with Alinsky, he is reported to be a community organizer and author of Rules for Radicals. Although Alinsky never officially linked himself with any political party or ideology, many of his views were socialistic in nature.

It seems that Obama was a perfect fit for Kellman and his Alinsky training. Quoting from David Maraniss’s book, Barack Obama: The Story, Dowd reported Another Alinskyite emerges from Obama’s past
that Kellman described a young Barack Obama as,

“He was not unwilling to take risks, but was just this strange combination of someone who would have to weigh everything to death and then take a dramatic risk at the end. He was reluctant to do confrontation, to push the other side because it might blow up – and it might. But one thing Alinsky did understand was that within reason, once something blows up, to a certain degree it doesn’t hurt, it helps.”

With the influence of Alinsky, Obama also had opportunity to deal with terrorist Bill Ayers while working at DCP. Bill Ayers’ father, Thomas Ayers had founded Chicago United and Alliance for Better Chicago Schools (ABC). Ayers senior brought Obama on board with ABC since he was the DCP organizer at the time.

It makes me wonder about Obama and his thinking when he tries to hide some of his past links to radicals such as Alinsky and Ayers and then turn around award the prestigious Medal of Freedom to a well-known socialist. His actions are inconsistent and devious, both signs of a person that cannot be trusted with anything important, especially the United States of America.

Read more: Did Barack Obama Intentionally Misidentify Former Boss to Hide Affiliation with Saul Alinsky? - Godfather Politics



Plane as the nose on your face and yet!!!

Originally Posted by anitamanninen1 at GodfatherPolitics

We have no idea if he was really adopted by Soetoro, and if so, when did he have his name legally changed back to Obama? Once you are adopted, your name is LEGALLY CHANGED to the adopter's name, so it would take going to court and having it legally changed back. However, we all know that Obama does nothing legal.

In Indonesia, yes, his name was changed to Barry Soetoro [Soebarkah] AS A MINOR, and he became an Indonesian citizen AS A MINOR, which required renouncing U.S. citizenship AS A MINOR, none of which affected his name and citizenship in the U.S. after he became an adult, unless perhaps on the college admission forms. However, unless Indonesia notified the U.S. State Dept., and it appears that Indonesia did not, nothing changed in the U.S. at all.

It also appears that he used whichever name was most convenient at the moment: Barack Obama II, Barry Soetoro, Barry Obama, Steve Dunham (born to Anna Dunham in Mombasa, Kenya, then and there denied and rejected by the Obama family as not being one of theirs), Bâri M. Shabazz (born to Stanley Ann by Malcolm X) . . .

So no one in the Hawaii DOH was any the wiser when he returned to Hawaii in 1971 and was reclaimed or acknowledged by Barrack Hussain Obama, Snr., who immediately rendered him to Stanley Armour and Madelyn Dunham. The Dunhams should then have adopted him officially, which would have hidden permanently any genuine and original COLB and Certificate of Live Birth resembling the corresponding counterfeit documents. But Hawaii could still be holding forth the purported "original birth documents" if the Dunhams never adopted young Barack. To not adopt him would seem quite strange, because he lived with them in Honolulu from 1971 until he left for Occidental College in 1979. Also, in 1971, his mother returned to Indonesia without Barack/Barry/Bâri/Steve for a year before starting her Master's degree at the Univ. of Hawaii in Sept., 1972.

Did Barack Obama Intentionally Misidentify Former Boss to Hide Affiliation with Saul Alinsky? - Godfather Politics

Atty. Orly Taitz has been smacked down by the California GOP in her bid for Dianne Feinstein's U.S. Senate seat.

The earliest polls showed Dr. Orly Taitz at 9%, and the CA GOP anointed, Elizabeth Emken, at 1%.

Polls the day before the election showed Atty. Orly Taitz at 11% and Elizabeth Emken at 9%.

Partial election results for June 6th show Sen. Dianne Feinstein at 49.3%, Elizabeth Emken at 12.5%, and Atty. Orly Taitz at 3.1%.

I am too cynical about elections and votes and ballots to add any analysis to those observations.

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HOW NO ONE GETS A REASSIGNED SS NUMBER

An intensive investigation has revealed the identity of the man whose Social Security number (SSN) is being used by President Obama:

Jean Paul Ludwig, who was born in France in 1890, immigrated to the United States in 1924, and was assigned SSN 042-68-4425 (Obama's current SSN) on or about March 1977.

Ludwig lived most of his adult life in Connecticut . Because of that, his SSN begins with the digits 042, which are among only a select few reserved for Connecticut residents.

Obama never lived or worked in that state! Therefore, there is no reason on earth for his SSN to start with the digits 042. None whatsoever!

Now comes the best part! Ludwig spent the final months of his life in Hawaii where he died.

Conveniently, Obama's grandmother, Madelyn Payne Dunham, worked part-time in the Probate Office in the Honolulu Hawaii Courthouse, and therefore had access to the SSNs of deceased individuals.

The Social Security Administration was never informed of Ludwig's death, and because he never received Social Security benefits there were no benefits to stop and therefore, no questions were ever raised.

The suspicion, of course, is that Dunham, knowing her grandson was not a U.S. Citizen, either because he was born in Kenya or became a citizen of Indonesia upon his adoption by Lolo Soetoro simply scoured the probate records until she found someone who died who was not receiving Social Security benefits, and selected Mr. Ludwig's Connecticut SSN for Obama.

Just wait until Trump gets past the birth certificate and onto the issue of Barry O's use of a stolen SSN. You will see leftist heads exploding, because they will have no way of defending Obama.

Although many Americans do not understand the meaning of the term "natural born" there are few who do not understand that if you are using someone else's SSN it is a clear indication of fraud.

Let's all get this information out to everybody on our mailing lists. If the voters of this great nation can succeed in bringing this lying, deceitful, cheating, corrupt, impostor to justice it will be the biggest and best news in decades for our country and the world.

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Very Interesting Bit of Detective Work -

1. Back in 1961 people of color were called 'Negroes.' So how can the Obama 'birth certificate' state he is African-American when the term wasn't even used at that time?

2. The birth certificate that the White House released lists Obama's Birth as August 4, 1961. It also lists Barack Hussein Obama as his father. No big deal, right? At the time of Obama's birth, it also shows that his father is aged 25 years old, and that Obama'sfather was born in " Kenya , East Africa ". This wouldn't seem like anything of concern, except the fact that Kenya did not even exist until 1963, two whole years after Obama's birth, and 27years after his father's birth. How could Obama's father have beenborn in a country that did not yet exist? Up and until Kenya was formed in 1963, it was known as the " British East Africa Protectorate."

3. On the birth certificate released by the White House, the listedplace of birth is "Kapi'olani Maternity Gynecological Hospital ."This cannot be, because the hospital(s) in question in 1961 were called "KauiKeolani Children's Hospital" and "Kapi'olani Maternity Home", respectively. The name did not change toKapi'olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital until 1978,when these two hospitals merged. How can this particular name of the hospital be on a birth certificate dated 1961 if this name had not yet been applied to it until 1978?

Resources:
Kapiolani Women and Children | About Us
Post-colonial history (from Wikipedia)
History of Kenya - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Kenya - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Why hasn't this been discussed in the major media?????

Originally Posted by AirborneSapper7

Jean Paul Ludwig, who was born in France in 1890, immigrated to the United States in 1924, and was assigned SSN 042-68-4425 (Obama's current SSN) on or about March 1977.
. . .

Why hasn't this been discussed in the major media?????

Golly, do you think the major media might be in on the con?

As for using a dead man's Social Security No., how does Mr. Obama expect to draw Social Security retirement benefits from his work at a Baskin-Robbins in Honolulu, Business International Corp. in New York City, ACORN and affiliates in Chicago, and the Univ. of Chicago?