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    My goodness - I go off to work for a while - come back and find this, this, this . . .
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    You warned

    I can hear President Bush in 2008. "We can't just deport 22 million illegals and overstayed Guest Workers."
    Honestly, I wish we would have this problem. If the economy would create additional 10 million new jobs within the next two years, we all would be much richer. Unfortunately it is unrealistic.

    Thanks to the fact that current immigration laws are barely enforced, despite all the obstacles, the forces of the free market still work and control the number of illegal immigrants here.

    If we would open border tomorrow (what I do not recommend) and say that everybody can come, within the first week at least one million Mexicans would cross the border. By the end of the first month, 95% of them would be back in Mexico.
    Hak, do me a favor and, for once think about what you're saying. This lifeboat called the USA cannot - repeat CANNOT, keep taking on passengers without it sinking. You can't put ten pounds of grain in a 5 lb bag - plain and simple.

    We're already taking up precious open space. If your wish comes true, where are we going to grow food - or do you suggest we eat Soilent Green?

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    Communism Is NOT Dead

    Folks, I thought I found this on ALIPAC, but can't find the thread. However, given this discussion, IMO, it is better placed here. Perhaps you relative newbies aren't aware of this, like people my age are.

    http://www.sierratimes.com/archive/ray/edrt080700.htm

    Communism Is NOT Dead
    Copyright © 2000 By Ray Thomas
    Posted: 08.07.00

    This article is somewhat long. But if you value your freedom, you'll read it; all of if. It will make you realize things you may not have noticed before, even if you're an ardent proponent of individual rights and solidly against collectivism (Socialism).

    One of the things everyone seems to be convinced of these days, since the collapse of the Berlin Wall and the supposed collapse of communism in Russia and her satellites is that communism is dead.

    But is it?

    Has no one noticed that almost all of the positions of power in the "former" Soviet Union and its satellites are filled by communists who profess to be "former communists?" The same people who ruled these countries when they were known as communist states?

    COMMUNISM IS SOCIALISM
    That communism is just one form of socialism cannot be denied. It has been shown, and proven, many times, that the communist state that became the Soviet Union was financed by the same international banking cartel that created, and still runs our Federal Reserve System, and it was to be the "showcase" socialist state for the world. Unfortunately, the performance of this showcase clearly proved that socialism cannot work and they found it necessary to "change the form of the revolution" to again fool the masses. (This is a common socialist ploy) Hence, the "fall" of communism. And we've "bought it." Today, we're doing things, and giving concessions that never could have happened during the "cold war." All because we've bought the idea that communism has failed, and has collapsed.

    But has it?


    GULLIBLE PEOPLE
    Adam Wisehophf, professor at Germany's Ingolstadt University, who founded the Order of the Illuminati on May 1, 1776, smugly reflects on his ability to con the gullible people of his day, saying: "The most wonderful thing of all is that the distinguished Lutheran and Calvinist theologians who belong to our order really believe that they see in it the true and genuine sense of Christian religion." Then he went on to exult: "Oh mortal man, is there anything you cannot be made to believe?" It is this plan (the one he created for world government) that is still being promoted by socialists all over the world. Communism dead? Not likely. It lives on as socialism.

    THE BIGGEST SOCIALIST CON YET
    In November, 1987, when Reagan's influence was at its strongest and the USSR was reeling from his sanctions and his scorn, Mikhail Gorbachev went before the Politburo and told them this: "Gentlemen, comrades, do not be concerned about all you hear about glasnost and perestroika and democracy in the coming years. These are primarily for outward consumption. There will be no significant internal change within the Soviet Union, other than for cosmetic purposes. Our purpose is to disarm the Americans and let them fall asleep." The communists have never denied that their system was just one form of socialism. The very name of their country was: "Union of Soviet Socialist Republics." Their system is still a socialist system with the same people running things. Their boss (immediately after the "collapse") was Yeltsin, who was second-in-command under Gorbachev, and Gorbachev is now talking about running again for president, even as Yeltsin is gone. The Russian boss now is a former director of the Communist Party's dreaded secret police.

    So is communism dead?


    TODAY'S LIBERALISM IS SOCIALISM
    I don't think communism is dead. It's alive and well and flourishing everywhere else but Russia and I don't know about Russia. Communism is socialism run by communists. And socialism, in the United States, is called "liberalism." Perennial Socialist presidential candidate Norman Thomas once said: "The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism,' they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened." Nikita Kruschev said something similar with his ".we won't need to attack the U. S. It will fall into our hands like a ripe plum" crack.

    Is all this true? Is it actually happening before our eyes? Check this out: Cleon Skoussen, the former FBI agent, wrote in his book, "The Naked Communist" (published in 195, the long-term goals of the communist agenda (beginning on page 259). This information also was printed in the August, 1963 edition of the Congressional Record and in the Communist Manifesto. There were many goals listed, but for the purpose of this report I will list only a few:


    U. S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war. No one should have to tell anyone whose head has not been in the sand for years that "peaceful coexistence" is the rule this country lived by for years, and is the rule that allowed many dangerous concessions to be agreed to by gullible politicians and by socialists within our government who knew exactly what they were doing.

    U. S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war. Done. See above.

    Develop the illusion that total disarmament by the U. S. would be a demonstration of moral strength. They didn't quite attain that one. But the promotion of this idea caused us to make many disastrous concessions in arms talks over the years, even if we didn't bite the big one. But under the new "noncommunist scam, it is coming to pass under the gullible Clinton.

    Permit free trade between all nations regardless of communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war. This has been a difficult one for them. So long as the cold war was going on, free trade between us and communist countries was severely limited. Now, since communism has "died," these restrictions have largely been lifted, and we have NAFTA and GATT. Clinton has sold our nuclear secrets to the Chinese Communists and given them many other concessions. You decide whether or not they've attained this goal.

    Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites. Done. A long time ago. And now since the collapse of communism, more money, and a lot faster.

    Provide American aid to all nations regardless of communist domination. Under the "rule" of the liberals, we have provided foreign aid for many countries, for years, many of them communist dominated even before the "fall of communism." Foreign Aid has been one of the largest items in our budget. Has this goal been won?

    Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U. N. Done. Nixon took care of that one. Give China permanent status as "Most Favored Nation" in trading with us. Clinton is taking care of that one.

    Allow all Soviet satellite countries individual representation in the United Nations. This is another one they didn't quite make under "cold war" conditions. Their goal in this instance is obvious. If every formerly sovereign state in their circle could wield a vote in the U. N., they would then have complete and total control instead of the "behind-the-scenes" and "voting control" they now have. With the "collapse" of communism, and all the former Soviet satellites becoming "independent," (even though still ruled by the same wolves who have put on their sheep's outfits) they will all be eligible for independent membership in the United Nations. Have they attained this one?

    Promote the United Nations as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces. This has been being done for years. Today, top American politicians are "believers" in this concept. Former President George Bush is just one of the gullible politicians who have bought this lie. He proved it when he said in New York, in 1991, "My vision of a New World Order foresees a United Nations with a revitalized peacekeeping function." And in February, 1992, at the UN Building: "It is the sacred principles enshrined in the UN Charter to which we will henceforth pledge our allegiance." This is a former President of the United States talking. They're very near to imposing a tax on all countries of the world. They run most, if not all of our national parks. They have a "World Court" that is getting stronger every year. They are working diligently right now to create an independent UN army, and it will likely go through. The United Nations' World Constitution says: "The age of nations must end. The governments of the nations have decided to order their separate sovereignties into one government to which they surrender their arms." This is in place. It is ready to go, just as soon as they can con all the governments of the world into signing it. How about this one?

    Do away with all loyalty oaths. This is another "head-in-the-sand issue." Unless you've had your head in the sand, you will know that there has been a concerted effort in this country to eliminate all loyalty oaths as unnecessary and an insult to those whose oath is required. They haven't yet managed to do away with all of them, but they're far down that road.

    Capture one or both of the political parties of the U. S. You might not agree with this, but I think this one has been won. Just look at what the Democratic Party has been fostering and working like beavers to accomplish during the last 30 to 50 years. The people running things in this party are, for the most part, avowed socialists, and don't even attempt to hide it. Many are well-known Marxists. The basic aims of the dems are simple: the implementation of the altruist's creed:

    "FROM EACH ACCORDING TO HIS ABILITY, AND TO EACH ACCORDING TO HIS NEED"

    as the "rule of law" in the United States. This creed is also at the bottom of communism, as you can plainly see by their determined efforts to "redistribute" other people's wealth to those who didn't earn it and who don't deserve it. And from many of the actions of members of the Republican Party of late I'm convinced that they've got a foothold there too. Today, the GOP kowtows to the Democrats, in spite of the fact that they won a majority in Congress in 1996.

    Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights. Does anybody out there have to be told about Affirmative Action? The plan that says because our grandparents may have discriminated against the black race and other races until recently, that a new discrimination against currently-living whites (who had nothing to do with discrimination fifty or more years ago) without an end in sight is right, in order to "right the wrongs?" Does anyone have to tell you about the "rights of the disabled" and the way-out things that have been done in the name of "protecting them" and making the world more accessible? There are many more examples. But these two will do to show you that this one has been nailed. The Supreme Court has become the "de facto" rulers of this country. No longer do they "interpret the Constitution." They "write law" that the Constitution never intended because they cannot be challenged on their judgments. Judicial Activism and arrogance is fast becoming the method for taking over the rights of everybody.

    Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current communist propaganda. Get control of the teacher's associations. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teacher's associations. Put the party line in textbooks. Have you heard about the National Education Association? This is a nationally-organized teacher's union, put together to give teachers a stronger voice in education. Yeah, riiiight. What it has become is a lobbying organization that has allowed the federal government to in effect take over our schools. Also, there is the School Lunch Program, which pays schools a fee for each student who receives money for all or part of his lunch. It is a handy lever to force schools to tow the line under threat of a cut off of funds. From yet another direction, the feds have used an "unmerciful stretching" of a law saying that "recipient institutions" must submit to "federal guidelines" in planning their curriculum if one student receives federal money for any part of his tuition or school expenses. What this can be made to mean is that if a federal program pays nothing more than the student's bus fare to school the feds can dictate what the school teaches and how they are allowed to teach it. Now the "child protectors" are working hard to destroy parental authority so they can't object to what is being taught to their children. How about "Outcome-Based Education?" There's no better way to soften the curriculum than to adopt this system, which very simply "dumbs down" the educational process by refusing to grade students on their performance. Someone recently wrote: "You couldn't have come up with a better idea to destroy a country's intelligence if you were trying." Well, they are trying.

    Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under communist attack. Does anybody remember the sixties and the student riots that took place all over the country? (Check out the Hegelian Principle further on in this report.) Look around you today. Even though student riots aren't nearly as prevalent as then, they're still around, and college administrations quaver at the very thought, and give in.

    Infiltrate the press. Get control of book review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV and motion pictures. This has created vociferous debate for years, even while proof is readily available that the Socialist philosophy has not only infiltrated the press, but has taken it over. Today's press people will deny their bias in the face of certain proof that they are lying, and will criticize those who present it, just for presenting it.

    NO CONSPIRACY: PHILOSOPHY
    Believers in a "Grand Conspiracy" think the "liberal leaning" of the press in this country is evidence of a total, all-encompassing, grand conspiracy to take over the world. I don't think it is. But that argument is not important, since the answer, in either case, is "investigation and exposure" of their plans.


    FORCED ALTRUISM TO BLAME
    The nearest thing to a "grand conspiracy" we have, in my opinion, is that "forced altruist" philosophy is being taught in our schools as an ideal by teachers and professors who have, themselves, been taught the same. It's a little like "planting seeds" and letting them grow. You don't necessarily control every facet of their growth, but you can guide them by giving them parameters. I'm reminded of a story Earl Nightingale used to tell and which I used to tell in my motivation seminars about the farmer who put a small pumpkin sprout inside of a bottle and went away. When he returned during the harvest, he found that the little pumpkin sprout had grown, taking on the shape of the bottle, and had then stopped growing. At the time, the story was told to illustrate that the pumpkin had stopped growing. But here, it can best illustrate that by putting it into the bottle, the farmer controlled "the shape of its growing." Journalism schools do that by teaching forced altruism (Socialism) as an ideal. Is it really surprising then, that a large number of journalists lean toward Socialism? It could be no other way.

    THEIR OWN WORDS

    But let's let them condemn themselves with their own words:

    Richard Salant, former President of CBS said: "Our job is to give people not what they want, but what WE decide they ought to have."

    Richard M. Cohan, Senior Producer of CBS political news said: "We are going to impose our agenda on the coverage by dealing with issues and subjects that we choose to deal with."

    Walter Cronkite, a national news anchor, said: "News reporters are certainly liberal (Socialists) and left of center."

    Barbara Walters, the $5 Million Dollar Newswoman, contends: "The news media in general are liberals (Socialists)."

    John Swinton, former Chief of Staff for the New York Times, said it best in a toast made before the New York Press Club in 1953: "There is no such thing, at this date of the world's history, as an independent press. You know it and I know it. There is not one of you who dares to write your honest opinions, and if you did, you know beforehand that it will never appear in print. I am paid weekly for keeping my honest opinion out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for similar things, and any of you who would be so foolish as to write honest opinions would be out on the streets looking for another job. If I allowed honest opinions to appear in one issue of my paper, before twenty-four hours my occupation would be gone. The business of journalists is to destroy the truth; to lie outright; to pervert; to vilify; to fawn at the feet of mammon, and to sell his country and his race for his daily bread. You know it and I know it and what folly is this toasting an independent press? We are the tools and vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are the jumping jacks, they pull the strings and we dance. Our talents, our possibilities and our lives are all the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."

    What bitterness this statement reveals. I don't know what happened to this man for this statement, but I'd bet he never made such a statement outside of a closed group of journalists. And I know the mainstream media never even noticed his remarks, even though they were made to a gathering of news people. So don't ever expect to hear the truth about how you're being ripped off daily by your own government in the news. It just isn't going to happen.


    Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them censorship and a violation of free press. This is another "head-in-the-sand issue." Only those who just do not know what is going on around them are unaware of the largely successful drive to do just that, mostly through promoting the impossibility of defining obscenity. Calling these laws censorship and a violation of freedom of the press is also a common ploy.

    Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures and TV. I have no right to tell individuals what they may do, and what they may read, in private. I have no problem with pornography itself, in private, but only with what is made of it, where it has been recently presented, and the efforts that have been made to promote it so that all may see, rather than simply keep it behind closed doors, the same as sex itself. Sex and elimination of bodily waste are both something best kept behind closed doors, even though both are natural human functions. Quite frankly, I don't subscribe to the theory that pornographic materials cause people to commit sex crimes. I see pornography as a means for people who do not have access to real sex to "release their tensions." Tensions that, if not periodically released, will be much more likely to lead more people to commit a sex crime. But the liberals want everybody, even your children, to have ready access to it (whatever they may say). Not only to blatant pornography, but to the soft-porn that can be seen on the nightly television, on the covers of (mainstream) magazines (usually displayed at children's eye level) sold in stores. They want to have it out where everybody can see it, with no controls. This I believe is wrong, but it is one goal they are near to having attained.

    Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as normal, natural and healthy. Have you seen the latest gay parades in places like San Francisco, where lightly-clad and sometimes naked men and women show their genitals in public while the cops look the other way to avoid being branded as gay-bashers? Have you noticed the current efforts to gain legal recognition for same-sex marriages? Did you really think such things would end with the collapse of communism? Get real. Again, it's not my right to tell people they are wrong when they choose to have sex with someone of the same sex. But to promote it as normal and healthy is, in my opinion, bad. In fact, to do so, is to attempt to push their own values on me, which I won't allow. Now they're teaching children how to perform gay sex in schools at state expense. If you have the audacity to criticize the gay life style, you get a label: "homophobic." Like the very idea of criticizing the gay lifestyle makes you a mentally ill person. Did they attain this one? It's a work in progress.

    Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with social religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for "intellectual maturity," which does not really need a "religious crutch." Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of separation of church and state. Do I really need to demonstrate for you just how far they've gone down this road? Prayer in school is a thing of the past, and the lack of it is itself an institution. You can't even mention religion in school for fear of censure. In many places, just to be known as a God-fearing Christian is to be suspect, and the many attacks on the Bible are a well-known fact.

    Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis. What is it they call the Constitution now? "A fluid document?" What is a fluid document? Obviously, it is a document that can be changed at will, and at whim. It's no longer, according to the liberals (Socialists) running things in this country "a rock upon which our laws are based." It's "old-fashioned, written by people who had no idea of the wonders of the modern world and thus has no relevance." Isn't this what is now being said as they dismantle the Constitution, article by article or just ignore it? The first step in socializing this country is the complete destruction of our Constitution. Before they can do that, they must discredit it.
    Of course, they've never actually gone by the Constitution, anyway. This government has routinely ignored the Constitution ever since it was written and they continue to this day. Don't believe it? Check out Article I, Section IX, paragraph 3 where it says: "No bill of attainder or ex post facto law shall be passed." Simple, to the point, and easy to understand if you know that an ex post facto law is a retroactive law that takes effect before it was signed into law. That means they can't make what you're doing legally today illegal tomorrow and prosecute you for it. Now go out and find out how many retroactive laws have been passed by our Congress and signed into law by many presidents, one of the most recent being Clinton's retroactive tax increase. The original income tax law was such a law, and was unconstitutional in addition because the Constitution did not allow the taxing of income by the federal government. That's why it was repealed and replaced by the 16th Amendment.


    Discredit the American founding fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the common man. I suppose you've heard the story about George Washington and others of the founding fathers being slave owners? How about the phony story that Thomas Jefferson fathered a child on one of his slaves, backed up by false DNA "evidence" using DNA taken from his uncle, for Heaven's sake! Did you hear the one about them being that day's version of big businessmen? No one bothered to tell you that after this country was established, they systematically eliminated slavery in what was then America. And that a lot of this "slavery" simply were people who had signed an agreement to work for their masters for a specific length of time in return for their passage (a trade for value). In addition, the founding fathers were no more aristocrats than are today's politicians and bureaucrats. Define aristocrat.

    Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part in the big picture. What could belittle American culture (and religion) more than a Christian cross in a jar of urine that is seriously considered art by the liberal elite? Have you heard about "Diversity Training" where school children are taught more about black history than about American history? And in some cases are taught fanciful versions of black history where blacks are the dominant race? You know, the kind of black history preached by Louis Farrakhan and his accomplices? How about Black History courses that are being pushed for all students, no matter what their background? Have you heard about the new Federal Standards for education that are being touted in which George Washington and many other pivotal characters are being ignored in favor of minorities because "minorities have been ignored in history books?" Check out Goals 2000, in which the liberals detail their plan to teach our children not what they need to survive in this world (reading, writing, arithmetic), but what they will need (if the liberals have their way) to survive politically. It's a total conditioning program. Then there's the dumbing down of the curriculum in the schools so as to keep from hurting their delicate feelings by actually "grading" them. They're turning out college graduates who can't even read their diplomas hoping that people who are largely illiterate can't understand what is being done to them. They don't even want to keep score in sports competition any more for the same reasons. Did they make this one?

    Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture. Education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc. This is a very revealing goal in that it provides proof, from out of their own mouths, that "..There can be no such thing as communism without Socialism, and communism itself is just one small part of socialism." In supporting any socialist movement, they create a centralized control mechanism that is more easily taken over.

    Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand or treat. Has anyone heard about the arrests made by federal agencies for such things as killing a protected kangaroo rat while plowing the ground on a farm? I could give a long list of such arrests made by other than police for things that should not be crimes. What about all the atrocities even now being committed by so-called "child protectors" in the name of "protecting children?" Ace this one.

    Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose communist (Socialist) controls. Harvard University Professor Dr. Chester Pierce said: "Every child in America who enters school at the age of five is mentally ill, because he comes to school with an allegiance to our institutions, toward the preservation of this form of government that we have. Patriotism, nationalism, and sovereignty, all that proves that children are sick because a truly well individual is one who has rejected all of those things, and is truly the international child of the future." Dr. Paul Brandwein, leading U. S. child psychologist who instructs teachers on how to recognize mental disability in our school children says: "Every child who believes in God is mentally ill." And just what is it that makes this true? Can one person make another person mentally ill just by saying so? For disagreeing with what that doctor believes? I don't think so. But they can certainly convince lots of people, just by making the claim. Especially since they are doctors, and should know. But this effectively shows that the attempt to use mental health laws as a means of controlling people is another work in progress.

    Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce. Here we go again. It is common knowledge that liberals scorn the family. That under liberal Socialism the family has declined significantly as social programs encourage divorce and "shacking up" instead of the family unit. Where tax laws discourage marriage and where the wife of the President of the United States writes (plagiarizes) a book that is a thinly-disguised lobbying effort to take responsibility away from parents and place it in the hands of the government. Could anything be more effective in breaking up the family? How about easy divorce? I don't think I even need to go into that. Everybody knows the laws are now slanted to make it as easy as possible to discard your mate. (When I originally wrote the above paragraph I had not yet realized that what the "child protectors" were doing was an even better way of destroying the family and taking control over what is taught them.) Further on that below:

    Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents. Does anybody not know that the emphasis today is on reducing the authority of the parent in the child's life? One of the things entitlement programs are designed to accomplish is this. As recipients of government largess (with your money), they give up their right to protest when the government takes over more and more control over their children. That's a given. Government money equals government control.


    PRESSURE FROM ABOVE TO CREATE PRESSURE FROM BELOW
    This technique is as old as politics itself, and has been used to control the masses for thousands of years. It is called "The Hegelian Principle."

    Thesis, antithesis, and synthesis:


    Thesis: create a problem.

    Antithesis: Generate opposition (fear, panic, hysteria) to the problem.

    Synthesis: Now offer the solution to the problem you have created. A solution which involves changes that would have been impossible to have imposed upon people without the proper psychological conditioning obtained through stages one and two (Thesis, antithesis).

    I saw this principle at work from close up during the sixties when I lived in southern California. College students created an uproar the likes of which I had never seen before that produced many sweeping changes which are still causing major problems for the populace of this country. But not for the liberals, because they were the ones who created the problem so they could solve it. If you look at many of the problems now promoted by this government and the solutions offered to solve the problems, you'll see the Hegelian Principle in operation.

    Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government. Think: Africa. How many of the countries of Africa became independent before they were ready? And how many of those are now Socialist or communist dictatorships? How about in South America? Haiti? Cuba? Nuff said.

    Internationalize the Panama Canal. We did better than that. We gave it to Panama while it was under the domination of a drug-dealing dictator. Later, it was under the domination of another dictator, but he's "our dictator." Now it is under de facto control of the Communist Chinese. Check that one off.

    BEHIND THE SCENES
    Like the Wizard in "The Wizard of Oz," this country is, for the most part, being run by people whose names you would not recognize, who manipulate events so as to daily increase their power over us all. There are many such people, and some of them are actually in competition with each other. But their aims are the same: total domination and power over everybody in the world. And a "New World Order" and a global government run by the United Nations, is at least one, and probably several of the conspiracies. Former British Prime Minister Winston Churchill himself said: "From the days of Sparticus, Wisehophf, Karl Marx, Belacoon, Rosa Luxenberg, and Emma Goldman, this world conspiracy has been steadily growing. This conspiracy played a definite recognizable role in the tragedy of the French revolution. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the 19th century. And now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their head and have become the undisputed masters of that enormous empire."

    Justice Felix Frankfurter of the U. S. Supreme Court said: "The real rulers in Washington are invisible and exercise power from behind the scenes." Franklin D. Roosevelt, in a letter written November 21, 1933 to Colonel W. Mandell House (an admitted Marxist), said: "The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the large centers has owned the government of the U. S. since the days of Andrew Jackson."


    IS THIS EXTREMISM?
    Is this the stuff of crackpots? After reading what you've just read, is it possible for you to ignore it and go on while they try to make you a simple pawn in their efforts to gain control over everything you do? I could go on and on, quoting well-known and respected people who tell of this conspiracy, but I think I've made my point: Communism (Socialism) is alive and well all over the world. Not just in Russia, but in most other countries too. Any country that has a Socialist government is no different from a communist one in that it requires you to "live for the sake of others," not for yourself. The people who have tried to tell the American people about these conspiracies are not nuts. They are well-respected people and they should be taken seriously. It's one thing to read what extremists say, but quite another to read what these people say. Any government which demands that you sublimate your own needs and desires to the needs and desires of others is robbing you. Any government that penalizes you for becoming successful is jealous of that success and any part of the fruits of that success that they take from you, they've stolen. It doesn't matter what "good things" they've used as an excuse. To take from you the fruits of your labors against your will is theft.


    SOCIALISM, COMMUNISM, FASCISM, NAZISM, LIBERALISM, OR ANY OTHER ISM
    It doesn't matter what name they give it, it's still forced altruism, and forced altruism is the philosophy of the thief. The basic maxim under which forced altruism (and all the other isms mentioned above) operate: "From each according to his ability, and to each according to his need," is a license to steal. It advocates taking from the productive members of society and giving to the unproductive. Therefore, those who operate under this maxim are, by definition, thieves. They steal what you have earned and give it to others, whether you agree or not.


    BOTTOM LINE: POWER
    Why do they do it? It's not for the money. Most of the elitist liberals in this country and in others are already rich (no matter how much they may deny it). They don't need the money. What they want is power. Unbridled power to tell you what you can and cannot do. David Rockefeller, chairman emeritus of the Council on Foreign Relations, founder of the Trilateral Commission (both One-world Socialist government organizations), doesn't need your money. Teddy Kennedy doesn't need your money. They've both got more than they could hope to spend in several lifetimes. What they want is the power to completely control you. From the evidence that's in, they'll do just about anything. Foment wars (Iraq), murder people (Waco, Ruby Ridge. etc.) ruin people, create famine and starvation, bankrupt the country, and just about anything else if it advances their goals.


    SO IS COMMUNISM DEAD?
    Communism is only as dead as you make it by your belief that it is. Communism is "alive and well" and will continue to be so long as there is one forced altruist left on this planet. Communism in Soviet Russia is dead. Because they say it is, and all the former communists say they are no longer communists while they continue to run the country. As Gorbachev said to the Politburo, their purpose is to "disarm the Americans and let them fall asleep." Are you going to allow that to happen? Or are you going to wake up and do something about it? Don't buy the thesis that one person can't create major change. You can, mostly by informing yourself and exposing their game for all to see. Find out what they're doing and tell everyone you can so they can't fool us any longer. Search out information on their doings and when you find it tell everyone you can think of. Exposure can ultimately stop them.

    Believe it or not.
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    Hak,

    CheyenneWoman is right about the numbers.

    I don't know if you've seen this. It's a free video called
    "Immigration Gumballs'. It's a bit dated cause according to official estimates, we're due to hit 300 million in population by Oct. 2006.

    However, it makes the point, that if you have family for which you want a future...please watch it.

    http://www.alipac.us/modules.php?name=F ... ic&t=31416
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    Good job, Pat!

    You are very right in helping the newbies understand. I missed that one before - it is very scary reading!

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    Thanks, CW,

    In high school, we had courses on 'Americanism vs Communism". I have to wonder when and why they stopped teaching them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by curiouspat
    Thanks, CW,

    In high school, we had courses on 'Americanism vs Communism". I have to wonder when and why they stopped teaching them.
    I'm glad you said "Americanism" rather than "democracy." I get so tired of hearing people call this nation a democracy, when that bankrupt system was weighed by the Founders and found lacking. Direct democracy was never meant to apply to anything more than the elections of some officials in this country. All important plebiscites, including things like amending the Constitution, were meant to be by supermajority. The rule was common law, with the propriety or impropriety of legislation determined first and foremost by stare decisis. The test was meant to be the Judeo-Christian ethic.

    As I'm sure you know, democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.

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    To Pilgrim , he seems like a decent guy with a nice family, and I bet he's a hard worker, but the bottom line is this Nation has laws, yes created by the legal and some maybe illegal immigrants that came here when there was no laws, the native Americans, has no way of an organized nation or laws or constitution up to a certain point they were savages, anyway the People that colonized, developed, killed the Natives, created the Constitution among other Good and bad things, came to Melt and forged a great Nation, that liberated the World from Facism, terrorists and dictatorships, in todays world we have laws that are part of a modern civilized Nation, and in order to maintain our safety and commonwealth

    This laws must BE ENFORCED SO WE CAN AT LIST TRY TO GIVE OUR CHILDREN A FAIR SHOT AT SUCCESS AND THE PURSUIT OF THE AMERICAN DREAM, because so many peolpe are illegally immigrating here, this dream is getting diluted, never mind the dream, the cruel reality is our SOCIAL SERVICES , SCHOOLS AND MORE ARE OVERWHELMED WITH PEOPLE THAT DO NOT PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE, IT'S JUST A FEW PICKING UP THE TAB , AND THE REST ARE JUST FREELOADING, AND THEY LAUGH ALL THE WAY TO THE BANK, THEY BRAG ABOUT NOT PAYING JACK S. FOR THIS SERVICES, MEANWHILE I HAVE NO HEALTH INSURANCE, I CANNOT AFFORD IT !! GET IT!! MR NEW PILGRIM, YOU SHOULD CAME HERE IN THE 1700 'S TO BE CALLED A PILGRIM, YOU MISSED THE BOAT!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I COULD INVITE A COUPLE OF FRIENDS OR RELATIVES TO STAY IN MY HOUSE FOR A FEW WEEKS, AND WE'LL MAKE IT, BUT IF 20 RELATIVES COME TO STAY IN MY HOUSE, NOT EVEN MY OWN CHILDREN WILL BE ABLE TO EAT, DO YOU GET THE ANALOGY??, IT'S ONLY ME WORKING AND BRINGING THE BACON HOME, AND 20 PEOPLE FREE-LOADING!!!
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    This is an incredibly long thread that tried my patience in reading it. After expending considerable effort to do just that, I've come to one inescapable conclusion. HAK absolutely refuses to acknowledge any of the FACTS presented and insists his 'Socialist Utopia' is the answer to the 'Immigration Crisis'.

    HAK, the analogy of 'the lifeboat' should be simple enough for you to comprehend. It's not very complicated and lends itself well to visualization. How can you insist on continued rescues when the end result is the demise of all concerned? Do you really believe, in spite of MOUNTAINS of evidence to the contrary, that massive immigration of poor, under-educated people doesn't over-burden our already stressed social services?

    You've made several references to working-class Americans needing to increase their education in order to compete in this 'global economy', yet you refuse to see what's happened to the American IT industry as it has been out-sourced, H1B'ed and L-1'ed to death. What used to pay $60/hour now pays half that amount.

    You've used the 'buggy-whip factory' analogy but have not considered the plight of American construction workers as their wages have plummeted by 50%, as well. They still build houses in America. They USED to build with an eye to QUALITY, providing craftsmen a livable wage and allowing their skills to be passed on to future generations.

    A journeyman carpenter 15 years ago could support his family without the need of working spouse AND STILL put kids through college. Today, that is simply impossible. As a former construction worker from a long line of construction workers, I know of what I speak.

    Ultimately, the 'race to the bottom' wage-wise will certainly destroy the middle class of this country, further exacerbating an already huge and rapidly expanding gap between rich and poor in this country. When the average worker's gross pay for a year equals what the average CEO makes by lunchtime on January 1st, there is a problem. It can not be fixed by importing more workers.

    I don't mind you arguing, but please try to refute some of the things I've said rather than blithely spouting more of the unfactual tripe that has graced these 22 pages. I'd really appreciate it.

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    PinestrawGuys:

    That was wonderful - thank you!!!

    If I may, I'd like to share another story with you (and dear ole HAK).

    In April of this year, my grandson, who lives in Michigan, called me. To make a very long story short, I found out that this boy, who for the past three years had been working (summers) with a contractor in his area to pay for college expenses, was told "he wouldn't be needed this summer".

    Well, that boy is a tenacious sort - after finding he couldn't get a job elsewhere, he decided to go to the contractor as ask him if he (contractor) had any scut jobs that could be done.

    When he arrived on the job site, he found it filled with "migrants". After a heated discussion with the contractor, he was told - point blank - "I can pay them half of what I have to pay you".

    This is the reason I am here - at ALIPac - I am sick and tired of illegals taking jobs "Americans DO want".

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    Quote Originally Posted by CheyenneWoman
    This is the reason I am here - at ALIPac - I am sick and tired of illegals taking jobs "Americans DO want".
    I hear you CW, I've been asking for a year or so for someone to NAME a job that Americans will not do, but no one has been able to answer the question. Kinda puts the lie to another piece of pure propaganda.

    Hak, do you know of any jobs like that?

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