Thread: Ron Paul on the Issues

I fear we are entering a very scary new phase

Submitted by SteveMartin on Sat, 06/02/2012 - 22:33
Ron Paul 2012

This, for students of history, has got to feel like the eve of The Civil War, when Representative Preston Brooks caned Senator Charles Sumner to within a hair of his life on the floor of the U.S. Senate.

Social workers seize a newborn against the parents' will for NO reason:

HSLDA | Ferris Litigation Update--Taken: My Baby

Farmers crops being intentionally destroyed by out-of-control government psychos:

Farmer panic! Crops die as gov’t blocks wells

People arrested in Chantilly, VA for protesting the globalists' final plans for destroying America and assassinating Ron Paul:

» Bilderberg Members Discuss Killing Ron Paul Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

And then, of course, the topper...Ron Paul supporters being injured at a State Convention:

Police Assault Ron Paul Delegate at LAGOP Convention - YouTube

I tremble for my country. This feels like Civil War. I pray it will still be avoided somehow, but....

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Destitution and Hunger In Greek Prisons: “Not Even One Grain of Rice Left In Warehouses”

Submitted by Charleston Voice on Sun, 06/03/2012 - 21:31
Economy

Destitution and Hunger In Greek Prisons: “Not Even One Grain of Rice Left In Warehouses”

The Daily Sheeple
June 3rd, 2012

All indications suggest that basic services in Greece have begun to break down, with reports from several Greek prisons and military installations indicating that prisoners are malnourished and starving. Food shortages caused by austerity related spending cuts and truck stoppages are also reportedly reducing daily rations for soldiers stationed in the area of Corinth, Greece.

We may very well be seeing the cracks in a society on the verge of complete meltdown.

Read more: Destitution and Hunger In Greek Prisons: “Not Even One Grain of Rice Left In Warehouses”

Destitution and Hunger In Greek Prisons:


http://www.dailypaul.com/237687/dest...-in-warehouses

Ron Paul Wins Louisiana! (Matlarson10)

Submitted by Houckie377 on Sun, 06/03/2012 - 22:05
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Bilderberg Plot JFK Like End to Ron Paul!



Published on Jun 1, 2012 by TheAlexJonesChannel

During a heated conversation in the lobby of the Westfields Marriott hotel yesterday, Bilderberg members expressed their desire to see Ron Paul die in a plane crash, according to veteran journalist Jim Tucker's inside source.

full interview with Jim Tucker (AmericanFreePress.net) will be posted later.

The shocking exchange took place just after Bilderberg attendees started arriving yesterday morning as they were driven through crowds of hundreds of Paul-supporting demonstrators.

Wasting no time to shoot their mouths off, one Bilderberg member expressed his desire to, "Get Ron Paul and all of his supporters on an airplane with a Muslim suicide pilot and take 'em down," according to Tucker's source, which has been proven routinely accurate with Bilderberg information in the past.

"That was the harshest comment made but there were a lot of mean-spirited comments made as the Bilderberg boys gathered in the lobby of the hotel," added Tucker.

Tucker explained that the Bilderbergers are becoming increasingly irate at the resistance amongst patriotic Americans to their program, with protest figures rising at each annual confab.

"The program planned by Bilderberg has been set back for years and every year it gets worse and every year they get more depressed and every year they get more outraged -- we're winning, they're losing," said Tucker.

Bilderberg is furious that Paul is working to stop the full ratification of the Law of the Sea Treaty, which as we documented yesterday is being discussed at this year's conference. The treaty would hand the United Nations control over all U.S. oceans and force ships to pay a tariff directly to the global body.

This is not the first time Bilderberg members have expressed their desire to see the Texan Congressman and staunch constitutionalist meet his maker.

Back in December 2007, best-selling author and Bilderberg sleuth Daniel Estulin told the Alex Jones Show that the U.S. intelligence establishment was considering assassinating Paul as a means of derailing the Ron Paul Revolution, which later gave rise to the Tea Party and spawned a generation of anti-big government grass roots activists.

» Bilderberg Members Discuss Killing Ron Paul Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!
by Paul Joseph Watson

CIA Blackwater Op Infiltrated Ron Paul Campaign




Published on Jun 1, 2012 by seatown001

Shreveport, Louisiana woman gets beat up by GOPS ...

Submitted by Cheiro Honlomarr on Mon, 06/04/2012 - 10:42
Ron Paul 2012

Wait til you see this what the COPS did to this woman...

NOTE: This VIDEO is graphic and disgusting...



Shreveport, Louisiana woman gets beat up by GOPS ... | Peace . Gold . Liberty | Ron Paul 2012

Americans are ok with crap like this .. To Serve and Defend my ass

Dear Multitudes of Romney Delegates: Thank you for being Stealth Ron Paul supporters

Submitted by Crabacado on Mon, 06/04/2012 - 10:06
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You know who you are and many of us don't. That's okay! Stay stealth! You don't have to tell the world what your hearts know to be true. Not until you're on the floor in Tampa.

Keep yourself under the radar until the end of August.

Yes, many of us Ron Paul supporters are frustrated that we don't know for sure, but no worries, we can and will hang in there. We have patience and stamina. We have the willpower in the face of an astonishingly naive force of foolishness.

Stay the course and do what you have to, even though it may be tough to stomach such a distasteful endeavor.

Surely you've seen and read about some of the epic shenanigan's the establishment GOP have implemented and rest assured, we all find this disgusting, but the R3volution is alive and well in your hearts and we know this.

Keep your resolve, stay the course below the radar and we look forward to joining you in the coming out party in Tampa.

I am certain many of you started out as true Romney believers and we understand how the NeoCon WarMonger machine seemed like a good idea at the time. However, as the curtain was slowly pulled back and you were awakened to the lies and exposed to the truth, you realized that Ron Paul was the only GOP candidate who could effectively beat Obama in the general election.

You feel you can't tell anyone, lest you be driven away and disenfranchised. You're not willing to risk that so early in the game.

Perhaps some of us others should have gone the same route, but not all of us are great chess/poker players, such as yourselves. Perhaps we didn't have the foresight that you do.

Again, thank you Ron Paul delegates pretending to be Romney supporters.

Your courage and bravado will go down in the history books as a pivotal moment that managed to keep this R3volution peaceful. Your legacy will be that you went to a fight and a hockey game broke out.

Dear Multitudes of Romney Delegates: Thank you for being Stealth Ron Paul supporters | Peace . Gold . Liberty | Ron Paul 2012

United Bases of America

Submitted by joeneesima on Mon, 06/04/2012 - 10:00in
Current Events



Share...good research...excellent graphic.

Despite the pending troop withdrawals in Iraq and those in Afghanistan between now and 2014, the United States remains a superpower on a scale not seen since the days of the Caesars. With this in mind, the National Post’s Richard Johnson takes a look at the scale of America’s forces.

U.S. military bases around the world: graphic | News | National Post

Here is the graphic: http://nationalpostnews.files.wordpr...bases12001.gif

http://www.dailypaul.com/237748/united-bases-of-america

I Will Not Unite Under a Banner of Fascism

Jun4 by ohnimus

“America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.” Abraham Lincoln

“I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies.” Thomas Jefferson

In the face of the upcoming presidential election the rallying cry of the GOP has been to “beat Obama at all costs.” However, while the Republican establishment is poised to crown Mitt Romney their champion we must ask ourselves, what, exactly, is the cost of beating Obama if it means a Romney presidency? Obama has accomplished much since 2008: he has expanded the power and breadth of central government and most notably that of the executive branch, he has continued the failed foreign policy of the Bush administration, broken countless promises, given us socialized healthcare, given himself the power to detain without evidence or trial any American citizen if he suspects them of terrorism, and he has gone to war against the Catholic Church in a battle that may see every Catholic hospital and charity shut down and re-opened under the state. That’s just a sampling. But, is Romney’s agenda really all that distinguishable from Obama’s? And if so is it really better enough to justify unifying under him so as to beat Obama “at all costs”?

Obama’s socialist agenda threatens to destroy this country from the inside but Romney’s political policy should be just as abhorrent to the American citizenry. Under Romney we will have corporate fascism in which a powerful, centralized government and giant, politically connected corporations in the private sector cooperate and work hand-in-hand in their own self-interest at the expense of every-day working Americans. Below is an analysis on Romney regarding certain key issues and how a Romney presidency would affect America.

Consistency:

Mitt Romney will say anything to get elected. That is not a matter of personal opinion but a fact: he has, at one time or another, publicly endorsed opposing stances on virtually every major issue. It seems that Romney will say or do anything as long as it is politically expedient and will serve to advance his political career. If you don’t believe me just watch him, in his own words, repeatedly flip-flop, contradict himself and lie:



More on Romney’s history as a flip-flopper here.

Supporters:

Romney’s top six donors are banks – and every single one of them has received millions if not billions of the taxpayer’s money in bailouts. Washington, in its corruption, perpetually props up these failed, but politically connected, corporations – they are not too big to fail, just too greedy to succeed. Those same failed banks who cooperate with government to bleed honest-working Americans of their wealth support Romney because they know that he will support them. A Romney presidency guarentees another TARP bailout not if, but when, the next giant corporation with political connections fails.

The money trail speaks for itself: Top contributors to Romney, 2012:

FIRST number: Top donors to Romney 2012.

SECOND number: How much bailout money those companies received in 2008:

Goldman Sachs $574 K $13 Billion
Bank of America $399 K $15 Billion
JP Morgan Chase $394 K $25 Billion
Morgan Stanley $374 K $107 Billion
Credit Suisse $318 K $500 Million
Citigroup $302 K $25 Billion
Kirkland & Ellis $249 K
(Lobbying firm whos clients include Big Pharma, Big Energy, Big Medical, and yes, you guessed it: Morgan Stanley, UBS, etc.)
Barclays $229 K $48 Billion
Pricewaterhouse/
Coopers $209 K
(Accounting firm darling of Wall Street)
Wells Fargo $205 K $25 Billion
HIG Capital $191K
UBS AG $191 K $75 Billion
Blackstone Group $183 K
Bain Capital $149 K
Marriot International $133 K
EMC Corp $129 K
Citadel Investment
Group $128 K $1 Billion
Elliot Management $118 K
Deloitte LLP $125 K
(Accounting firm with clients such as Morgan Stanley and Monsanto)
Bain & Co $123 K

These numbers should come as no surprise since Romney considered the 2010 700 billion Wall Street bailout “the right thing to do.”

Freedom:

Romney supports the NDAA which allows the executive branch to indefinitely detain any American citizen without trial or evidence based entirely on “suspicion of terrorism” effectively stripping all Americans of their right to Habeas Corpus. He also supports the drone strikes that, to date, have killed hundreds of innocent bystanders and claims that Pakistan is “comfortable” with the United States using drone strikes against their people. Additionally, Romney supports the Patriot Act and “enhanced interrogation.” In no way does Romney’s agenda regarding these issues of freedom vary from Obama’s own.

Foreign Policy:

“Presumptive Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney chose Veterans Day to proclaim to the American people his conviction that the world is a dangerous place, and the United States must remain its most formidable military power.” – Reuters

Romney is in favor of the same kind of military interventionism that led us into two unnecessary and expensive decade-long wars in the Middle East that have crippled Afghanistan and Iraq, made the Middle East even more volatile, made the world less safe, resulted in the deaths of thousands of Americans and cost billions in national treasure. The Congressional Budget Office projects ObamaCare’s cost to be about $1.76 trillion. Most conservatives rightly recognize we can’t afford this. President Obama’s current military spending is about $1.2 trillion. Mitt Romney’s proposed plan calls for $2.1 trillion in military spending. Romney’s military budget alone dwarfs ObamaCare. The only ones to have benefited from the kind of foreign policy endorsed by Romney is the military-industrial complex. Meanwhile, Romney gives Obama an “F” on foreign policy – yet how Romney’s policy abroad significantly differs from Obama’s own, other than throwing more money at the problem, remains a mystery.

National Debt:

According to the U.S. National Debt Clock our nation’s total liability per taxpayer is $1,039,057. That’s right, over one million dollars per individual. Our national debt accrues an annual interest of $11,971 per citizen. That’s how much you’d have to pay every year just to cover our debt’s interest. Foreigners own 32% of America’s total debt. Even more alarming is that all of this out-of-control spending is not being invested in long-term ventures that will benefit present and future generations but it is spent almost entirely on maintaining the massive welfare-warfare state that provides only short-term benefits to present taxpayers while our children will be left to foot the bill and nothing to show for it. We are experiencing an unprecedented debt crisis. Romney’s solution is to reduce our debt without raising taxes, eliminating any cabinet departments, reducing military spending, or cutting Social Security, Medicare, or any other popular program. How he intends to pull off this miracle, however, remains a mystery because he refuses to share the specifics of his plan until after he is elected. The one intervention that he has declared to implement is to bolster “free enterprise.” However, keep in mind that “free enterprise” coming from Romney means getting rid of all of those federal regulations that are smothering small businesses like Goldman Sachs.

We’ve accrued this debt and its our responsibility to start paying it off. Today. Otherwise we pass this yoke on to our children, and their children, and on and on.

What short-term benefits our out-of-control spending habits may yield to us now is nothing in comparison to the blow to future Americans’ very livelihoods when they must pay off their parents’ reckless use of the “federal credit card”. Under a Romney presidency our debt will continue to rise and with nothing to show for it.

Healthcare:

Romney has promised to repeal Obamacare – just like every other GOP candidate. Yet, Romney was the mastermind behind the universal healthcare mandate in Massachusetts that made Obamacare even possible in the first place. He is quite literally the least qualified person in all of politics to criticize a universal healthcare plan so how he intends to sell this to the American people is unclear.

Economy:

With years of experience in business in the private sector Romney says he “understands economics.” However, his history speaks for itself:

2nd Video: Broken Promises: Romney's Massachusetts Record - YouTube

If Romney’s strategy utterly failed at the state level then we can only expect the same should he implement his savvy “understanding” of economics at the national level. Perhaps he should take a word of advice from the late economist Friedrich Hayek who said, “The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design.”

Abortion:

One notable difference between Romney and Obama is on abortion. Obama is easily the most pro-abortion president in the history of our country, but can we really expect Romney to reverse this trend or just sit on his hands making empty promises? Abortion is possibly the most emotional and controversial issue facing our country today and, given Romney’s history of bending with the wind, doing whatever is most politically expedient and never taking a firm stance on anything (at least, not for longer an election cycle), we can expect Romney to do absolutely nothing in defense of the unborn.

During his 1994 Senate Run, Mitt Romney argued that he was more pro-choice than Ted Kennedy: “When Kennedy called him ‘multiple choice,’ Romney demanded an extra rebuttal. He revealed that a close relative died of an illegal abortion years ago and said, ‘Since that time, my mother and my family have been committed to the belief that we can believe as we want, but we will not force our beliefs on others on that matter, and you will not see me wavering on that.’”

(Joan Vennochi, “Romney’s Revolving World,” The Boston Globe, 3/2/06). “I believe that abortion should be safe and legal in this country. I have since the time that my mom took that position when she ran in 1970 as a US Senate candidate. I believe that since Roe v. Wade has been the law for 20 years we should sustain and support it.” (Joan Vennochi, “Romney’s Revolving World,” The Boston Globe, 3/2/06)

When he went to conservative Utah, he changed his stance, “When I am asked if I am pro-choice or pro-life, I say I refuse to accept either label.” (Glen Warchol, “This Is The Place, But Politics May Lead Romneys Elsewhere,” The Salt Lake Tribune, 2/14/99).

But when he ran for office in Massachusetts again, he was pro-choice again, “I will preserve and protect a woman’s right to choose, and am devoted and dedicated to honoring my word in that regard. I will not change any provisions of Massachusetts’ pro-choice laws.” (2002 Romney-O’Brien Gubernatorial Debate, Suffolk University, Boston, MA, 10/29/02). In 2002, Romney Offered His Completed NARAL Questionnaire, Filled Out With “Mostly Abortion-Rights Positions,” To The Media Even Before Returning It To NARAL. “Yesterday, Romney also aimed to head off confusion about his stance on abortion rights by answering a Mass National Abortion and Reproductive Rights Action League questionnaire with mostly abortion-rights positions. He offered the questionnaire to the press even before he returned it to MassNARAL…”


Then he started thinking of national office as a Republican. That’s when he claims to have had his conversion. ”Romney said he had a change of heart on the issue after speaking with a stem-cell researcher, Dr. Douglas Melton. Romney claims Melton said ‘Look, you don’t have to think about this stem cell research as a moral issue, because we kill the embryos after 14 days.’‘It hit me very hard that we had so cheapened the value of human life in a Roe v. Wade environment that it was important to stand for the dignity of human life,’ Romney says.” (Karen Tumulty, “What Romney Believes,” Time, 5/21/07)

Keep in mind, however, that after his pro-life conversation he appointed pro-abortion judges, stated that he will “maintain the status quo” regarding abortion laws (see the above video under consistency), attended a Planned Parenthood fundraiser in 2004 despite his claims to de-fund the organization, and invested in two different companies involved in embryonic stem cell research – all of this occurring after his publicly recognized the sanctity of life and personhood of every unborn child.

And less than a month ago lifesitenews.com reported the following:

MIAMI, FLORIDA, May 17, 2012, (LifeSiteNews.com) – Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney scheduled a $50,000-a-plate fundraiser at the home of Phil Frost, the executive of the company that makes the Morning After Pill, on Wednesday night. Plan B One-Step is produced by Teva Pharmaceuticals, Frost’s company.

Pro-lifers, is this our champion? Are we really going to step into line for such scraps? If we are so easily manipulated into rallying behind such a lukewarm candidate, making every concession along the way then we can only expect the same complacency from the GOP, as well as the continued degradation of our liberty and our spiritual and material prosperity, for years to come. Meanwhile, over three thousand unborn children are killed every day in the US by government-endorsed abortion. Roe v. Wade took place nearly four decades ago; if we continue to settle for candidates like Romney who cater to the pro-life crowd based on political expedience then we are guaranteed another four decades before we see it overturned.

Conclusion:

Throughout his political career Romney has stood for everything – and therefore nothing – and in his capacity as a public servant the one that he has sought to serve has been himself, and the special interest groups that buy him off. Romney has a long history of increasing the power of government and then using that power to benefit his financial backers at the expense of the American public. Crooked banks like Goldman Sachs donate millions to Romney and in return he pushes an agenda of giving hundreds of billions of dollars to his friends in Wall Street, lifting regulations that prevent giant corporations from taking advantage of people and creating corporate-run bureaucracies. That is the classic definition of corporate fascism. Additionally, under a Romney presidency we can expect more unnecessary and expensive warfare abroad that only benefits the military-industrial complex, more national debt, a larger welfare-warfare state, a faltering economy, the continued stripping away of our constitutional rights and little to no progress on the issues of healthcare and abortion. Obama’s election was a direct reaction of the failed Bush presidency; I would hate to see what kind of man the American people would be desperate enough to elect in response to four years under the debacle of a Romney presidency.

The GOP’s siren song has been to “beat Obama at all costs” but the price that the GOP demands for the promise of such a “success” is monumental. To vote for Romney in an attempt to get Obama out of the White House is to jump out of the frying pan and into the fire. I, for one, will dig in my heels and vote third-party rather than grant my support to either a corporate fascist on the right or a socialist on the left – because the very integrity of our nation truly is too great a cost to pay. With that in mind, I leave you with the words of Carrol Quigley from Tragedy and Hope that so aptly sums up the current state of politics in America and, especially, this election cycle:

“The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps, of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to the doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can “throw the rascals out” at any election without leading to any profound or extreme shifts in policy.”

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