Thread: Ron Paul on the Issues

Reporting from Paul Fest Day 1 (Palin is in Tampa to Cause Brokered Convention)

Submitted by wincap on Fri, 08/24/2012 - 21:55

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Reporting from Paul Fest Day 1 (Palin is Tampa to Cause Brokered Convention)

Working my booth at the Paul Fest today, The Wealth Creation Revelation booth, Lew Rockwell was hanging out for a few hours in front of the booth. That was awesome.

I am hearing the following via word of mouth:

1) There was a disinformation attack on RP. Reports were leaked that RP conceded and said that if he won the nomination he would not accept it. The report was unfounded; Ron Paul himself came out and made a follow up statement saying that if is nominated HE WILL ACCEPT THE NOMINATION.

2) Sara Palin is in town and playing games, she is trying to steal the nomination, she sent out packets to all of the delegates asking them to vote for her if there is a brokered convention and she is trying to cause a brokered convention.

I spoke to delegates at my booth who said they received the packet. None of our delegates will vote for her, putting my dislike for her aside, if she helps with a brokered convention I am fine with it because I think we could win a brokered convention.

3) Gingrich released his delegates today! And a delegate told me they are expecting Santorum to release his soon!

4) A North Carolina delegate told that there was some shuffling of delegates and North Carolina picked up a few more RP delegates.

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Washington State Files Delegate Challenge

Submitted by P.Au.L on Fri, 08/24/2012 - 18:54
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The Reagan Wing.com: On August 6, 2012 Republicans in Washington filed a “Delegate Contest” with the Republican National Committee attesting that NO FEWER THAN 533 delegates to the Washington State Convention had been elected by illegal procedure, that proper and timely filed challenges to their credentials had been illegally adjudicated because of unlawful intervention in the Credentials Committee and State Convention by state party chair Kirby Wilbur, his subordinates, staff, and appointees. The Contest asks that the National Convention NOT SEAT 17 delegates to the upcoming nomination convention in Tampa.

What follows is the opening statement, limited to 1,000 words, filed with the Notice of Challenge. We present it, here, unedited, an exclusive of the Reagan Wing.com:

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"Sir,We do not know if we have a plurality of delegates or not till all the states are roll-called"

Submitted by lolly on Sat, 08/25/2012 - 05:41
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Say this , if the chairperson tells your state that Ron Paul does not have enough state pluralities: That is an unknown factor till all the states do their roll-call. Make sure to put Ron Paul's name up for nomination ONE HOUR OR MORE BEFORE ROLL-CALL. It is in the rules that you must. If they say they need a plurality, tell them it is an unknown factor but you are putting his name in for nomination irregardless . There is no way to know who everyone is voting for till after a vote is taken. If Ron Paul's name is not on the ballot, you can place a sticker with his name already on it. This has been ruled legal by the courts. If Romney does not win first ballot , then put Ron Paul's name in next ballot.

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By Cheating, Romney is Helping Himself Lose

Submitted by We the People on Sat, 08/25/2012 - 01:00
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He is turning people that simply don't support him into people that hate him and will do anything they can to stop his corrupt campaign.

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It's not about the Democratic Party winning, but rather about the establishment GOP losing.

Submitted by ArsenalGunners11 on Wed, 08/15/2012 - 09:45

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And THIS is the reason why so many inspired Ron Paul supporters will be either voting for, or writing-in Ron Paul.
That is my answer to anyone who tells me that my vote for Ron Paul is just a vote for Obama.

The establishment couldn't figure out why they lost when they nominated McCain/Palin in 2008, and they still can't figure out why they're going to lose with Romney/Ryan in 2012.

They have shunned Ron Paul. They have lied, cheated, blacked-out the Champion of the Constitution, and the masses that rallied and fought for him. The establishment GOP is corrupt big goverment, big spending, interventionist, and shows zero adherence to the Constitution and/or liberty.

And this will be remembered in November.

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We are Living Under the Tyranny of a 2 Party Duopoly!

Submitted by xRegardsx on Fri, 08/24/2012 - 21:19
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After I watched the video posted earlier on DP regarding how manipulated and staged the national debates were I was inspired to do some searching and found my reason for starting this petition on Change.org... Rasmussen Reports' intentional excluding 3rd party candidates from their polling... MORE media blackout.

Being an avid Ron Paul supporter, knowing that he completely supports open debate and all candidates having a voice... that is now my goal... to help promote the nation realizing that they have more than two candidates to choose from.

Here is a petition I started last night and I've been editing it a bunch, but I'm still looking for your help in how to increase its impact and refine its message.

http://www.change.org/petitions/rasmussenreports-com-include...

We are living under the tyranny of a 2 party duopoly!

When did "Live free or Die" turn to "Live free or accept what you're given"?

My possible vote for a 3rd more capable and deserving candidate is more important than choosing the lesser of two evils who's differences are only minor compared to the vast majority of their seriously troubling similarities.

NOTE: Regardless of who the 3rd party candidates are... they deserve to be a part of the debates. Your vendetta against Gary Johnson is the polar opposite of what Ron Paul's stance on the inclusion of real debate and 3rd party candidates getting their chance to be heard.

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Romney to be Nominated Early Monday-Be There;Nominate Paul !

Submitted by lolly on Sat, 08/25/2012 - 05:18
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http://www.tbo.com/news/republican-national-convention/2012/...

AND RON PAUL COULD BE NOMINATED EARLY IN CONVENTION WEEK TOO ! So be there early and nominate him at the state roll call even if they do not allow it. Pick a 2nd person- a Ron Paul delegate to nominate Ron Paul in your state. Do not depend on your governor or other to do the job necessarily. If they fail to do so, the 2nd appointed person can nominate Paul. You need a second and possibly a third. fourth and fifth. Leave nothing to chance. Plan ahead. Ron Paul has to be nominated One hour or more before roll call. That is the new rule. There is no way to know if Ron Paul has a plurality of 5 states until after roll call because delegates are free to vote for whomever they like. So even if they say Ron paul has only e states that is meaningless till after the roll call. Be on you r best behavior cause other delegates are watching.

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Rachel Maddow: Republicans Move Convention Delegate Vote To Time With No TV Coverage To Hide Ron Paul

Submitted by telepathic on Sat, 08/25/2012 - 06:36
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Paul Ryan: Just Another Neocon

August 17, 2012 by Sam Rolley

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Republican presumptive Vice Presidential nominee Paul Ryan seems to be becoming a superhero of the GOP as mainstream “conservatives” are smitten to the point of drool-inducing stupor.

And it makes sense. Before the Wisconsin Representative — known as a “budget hawk” and “policy mastermind” — came dashing into the frame, Republican voters’ strongest inclination to cast a ballot for Mitt Romney, the party’s presumptive Presidential nominee, was because his name isn’t Barack Obama.

For the well-informed among conservatives, the mental anguish of having to lie to themselves about Romney being the man who is going to undo or reverse the rapid American march “Forward.” unto an even more massive Federal apparatus and complete socialism is unimaginable. And, to be honest, they are not the conservatives they believe themselves to be. “Moderates,” “hopeless reactionaries” and “ignorant” are all terms that come to mind in describing those who would allow themselves to believe Romney will in any way be restorative to American liberty, but “truly conservative” certainly does not.

Those who proclaim a love for liberty, small government and strict adherence to the Constitution know that Obama has no similar passions, but they also know that Romney lacks the same passions as well.

On the rights of sportsmen and of Americans to be able to defend themselves, there’s that pesky problem about Romney’s penchant for hunting “small varmints.” He has a dodgy gun control record, has claimed to own firearms that he didn’t in an effort to score an endorsement from the National Rifle Association and passed what The Associated Press referred to as “one of the toughest assault weapons laws in the country” when he was Governor of Massachusetts.
But he isn’t a guy named Obama with a questionable 2^nd Amendment record.

Romney has faced a constant thorn in his side because he created the basis for the big government health law known as Obamacare during his time as Governor. He recently cited the value of Israel’s individual mandate healthcare plan.

But he isn’t a guy named Obama with an admiration for socialized medicine.

Those worried about the increasingly brazen and tyrannical nature of government spying and police state violations of Constitutional rights can find little solace in Romney’s history. During his tenure as Governor of Massachusetts, Romney issued executive orders to set up two of the Nation’s first fusion centers — the intelligence hubs where vast amounts of Americans’ personal data are analyzed, stored and shared by law enforcement agencies.

The similarities between Romney and Obama far trump the dissimilarity of their names. But, hey, at least the socialized, unConstitutional, disarmed, plutocratic Nation will not be under the leadership of a big government liar named Obama if the GOP comes out on top. It will be a big government liar named Romney steering the ship toward total tyranny.

The Romney ticket is no accident. Beyond shouting about conservative social issues, the Republican Party is no more “conservative” than the Democratic. The Democratic and Republican parties are both bought and paid for by the same corporate interests and work in unison to achieve the same goal of enslaving the American populace to an endless cycle of debt, consumption and war for profit. Romney and Obama may as well be the same man, simply a figurative representation of choice to cloak America’s plutocratic political system.

Of course, the GOP has suffered some consequences by foisting such an Obama-like candidate and expecting their diehards to swallow hard and march on. The party has been met with force by a large contingent of conservatives who refuse to throw conviction aside and support Romney; many of them were Ron Paul supporters, and others are just tired of the lies. These people have not been quiet in their dissidence, and with each shout risk pulling another rank-and-file Republican out of his “well, he isn’t Obama” stupor. As much criticism as the GOP leadership deserves for whoring itself to special interests and lying about having any concern for a Constitutional America, they should get credit for an act of brilliant political manipulation to ensure the proclamations of these dissenters fall on deaf ears.

Enter Ryan, who will go down in history as the most libertarian-looking neocon to have ever walked the halls of Congress.

He’s fostered the image of a budget-slashing maniac, bent on reducing government spending by any means possible.

Republican rank-and-files have been drooling over Ryan since he introduced his House-approved budget plan which seeks to avoid tax hikes and cuts in military spending while simultaneously putting bloated entitlement spending programs on the chopping block. The infatuation with Ryan’s plan to “stop spending money the government doesn’t have” is less for the few free-market ideas presented therein and more for the fact that liberals have been freaking out about provisions that call for a restructuring of Medicare.

If liberals are enraged, however, Ryan’s plan had to be a creation of pure small government genius, right? Actually, no. Ryan’s plan is actually only marginally better than the budget Obama presented. The President wants to spend $3.8 trillion in fiscal year 2013 and foresees spending $5.8 trillion in fiscal year 2022. Obama believes that Federal spending would amount to 22.5 percent of gross domestic product, while revenues would average 19.2 percent of GDP.

Ryan, on the other hand, would spend $3.5 trillion in 2013 and $4.9 trillion in 2022. Spending as an average of GDP would average 20 percent of GDP, and revenue would amount to 18.3 percent. Ryan’s plan is essentially more of the same; it grows government spending and fails to cut anything of substance. But at least it freaked out liberals.
The reason Ryan’s plan could not possibly begin to meaningfully reduce government spending is directly related to his neocon ideals.

He is a supporter of the same illegal military operations carried out under both the George W. Bush and Obama Administrations. He voted to add a trillion dollars or so to the Federal debt burden by borrowing to fund the failed wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

After begging other lawmakers to follow suit — seriously, begging – Ryan voted “yes” to the Troubled Assets Relief Program (TARP) and “yes” to a $15 billion bailout for General Motors Co. and Chrysler to support crony capitalism and failed business practices. He also voted “yes” on an economic stimulus bill in 2008 and in favor of further economic stimulus to the tune of $192 billion in 2009.

He has sought to portray himself as dedicated to slashing government handouts to non-producers.

During the Bush Administration, Ryan voted “yes” for the massive healthcare entitlement called the limited prescription drug benefit for Medicare recipients; that came with unfunded future costs of more than $7 trillion.

In 2006, Ryan voted to distribute $70 million in taxpayer money in the form of section 8 housing vouchers.

In 2008, Ryan voted “yes” on an unemployment benefit extension from 39 weeks to 59 weeks.

He claims he is a conservative who wants the Federal government to step back and allow Americans to enjoy freedoms granted in the Constitution.

If anything about Ryan is scary, it is his support of big-government nannyism.

He apparently rejects the idea that American parents and teachers should play a bigger role in children’s education than Federal bureaucrats, as he voted “yes” to No Child Left Behind during Bush’s Presidency.

Ryan also shares the belief of the Bush Administration and Obama that Americans deserve no right to privacy from the watchful eye of the Big Brother Department of Homeland Security. He voted to extend Patriot Act wiretapping and make it permanent. He voted against requiring warrants for domestic wiretapping and in favor of eliminating warrants on all electronic surveillance. He also voted in favor of the Internet spy bill, the Cyber Intelligence Sharing and Protection Act.

Ryan voted “yes” on the National Defense Authorization Act and against repealing its provision allowing the indefinite detention of Americans.

Ryan is opposed to any budget cuts in defense spending or to the national surveillance apparatus.

It isn’t surprising that Ryan claims he is a real conservative, even though his record reeks of Bush/Cheney neocon values that do nothing for liberty. Perhaps a quote from Libertarian superhero Ayn Rand — whom Ryan claimed to admire for many years, and bizarrely denounced recently — best describes why he is portrayed as a conservative.
In Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal Ryan’s former favorite Russian-born atheist writes:

The basic and crucial political issue of our age is: capitalism versus socialism, or freedom versus statism. For decades, this issue has been silenced, suppressed, evaded, and hidden under the foggy, undefined rubber-terms of “conservatism” and “liberalism” which had lost their original meaning and could be stretched to mean all things to all men.

Ryan is energizing conservative voters who have, to this point, had no faith in their candidate beyond his not-Obama name. But the Vice Presidential pick’s talents aren’t really in cutting budgets and manipulating policy in the best interest of liberty, as many conservative voters have been led to believe. His greatest talent is the same as any other politician that has been in the White House during the past several decades: using foggy, undefined, rubber terms to make the American populace believe that there is an option beyond plutocratic tyranny in the two-party political system.

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Ryan Not A Real Libertarian

August 22, 2012 by John Myers

UPI

Mitt Romney picked Paul Ryan to be his running mate.

Presumed Republican Presidential nominee Mitt Romney tagged a man named Paul for Vice President.

There’s just one problem: He picked Paul Ryan (R-Wis.), not Ron Paul (R-Texas). The latter is a real libertarian, while the former is a big-government conservative.

Jane Aitken, founder of the New Hampshire Tea Party Coalition, wrote an opinion piece for Bedford Patch. The headline read: “Paul Ryan is no Ron Paul.”

The Daily Caller also weighed in last week: “It didn’t take long for libertarians to condemn Mitt Romney’s selection of Paul Ryan as his running mate. Ryan may have required his staffers to read Ayn Rand’s novels, but he’s no John Galt (a fictional character in Ayn Rand’s novel Atlas Shrugged). Over his nearly 14 years in Congress, Ryan has cast several votes unfit for an advocate of limited government. He voted for TARP, auto bailouts, and Medicare expansion. He also voted for No Child Left Behind and twice voted for stimulus spending.”

Paul cannot be excited about Romney tagging Ryan for the VP spot. In an interview given to Fox News last March, Paul called Ryan’s budget proposals timid and said that Ryan did not address the Federal government’s propensity for warmongering. Paul said he didn’t like that the Ryan plan might balance the budget in 30 years and did nothing to address America’s vast overseas military presence. Paul said instead of the Ryan plan he would slash overseas spending by first stopping “militarism” while maintaining spending for national defense.

As reported by Huffington Post, Paul said:

In my program… I address that first [cutting overseas military spending] I want to get home so that you don’t have to attack child health care or Medicare, even though those programs are bankrupt and you have to deal with them. But even in my first year of cutting a trillion dollars, I don’t touch that stuff [child health care or Medicare].

I’m not going after the benefits the Medicare, I’m not doing that initially… I would cut the money that they are screaming about, this overseas militarism.

I see people coming together… 67 percent people now want to come home from Afghanistan… I think the Republican lose the political argument immediately. [The Republican plan is] We want more weapons but we are going to deny the elderly for their healthcare.

Yet Ryan is likely a smart pick for Romney in that his nomination as Vice President will help Romney win the Presidency because it will garner votes from Tea Party supporters. That doesn’t mean that Ryan is anything other than a pretend libertarian. And he certainly isn’t alone in that category.

In his book Fed Up!, Texas Governor Rick Perry wrote: “If you don’t support the death penalty and citizens packing a pistol, don’t come to Texas. If you don’t like medicinal marijuana and gay marriage, don’t move to California.”
While Perry was running for the Presidency, a Des Moines Register reporter asked the former Texas A&M yell leader: “What yell would you give to urge on your campaign?”
Perry replied: “Rick Perry. Liberty. Rick Perry. Freedom. Freedom is working. Liberty is working. We’ve got to get America working again.”

I wondered: what does it mean to be free? I looked up the definition of “libertarian.” The Free Dictionary defines the word as: “One who advocates maximizing individual rights and minimizing the role of the state. One who believes in free will.”

Perry doesn’t have a clue what it means to be free. Freedom — and here is the key caveat — is doing what you want as long as you are not hurting another individual.

Let me say it straight: If my neighbor on one side is in a gay union and the neighbor on the other side smokes grass (and if is not hurting me or anyone else), why can’t they? That’s how I look at it; I am a true libertarian.

Perry dresses up in libertarian clothes, pretends to embrace individual freedoms and then at the first instance (when he doesn’t like what he sees) demands government intervention. That is not liberty my friends, that is pretend liberty and something very dangerous to the state of the union.

Romney may pretend to embrace smaller government and less taxation, but his track record as Governor of Massachusetts doesn’t support his argument. Nor does his businessman-first-and-foremost argument carry a lot of truth. As then-GOP hopeful Newt Gingrich pointed out to Romney during one of the GOP Presidential debates: “The only reason you didn’t become a career politician is because you lost to Teddy Kennedy in 1994.”



None of this makes the Romney/Ryan ticket less desirable than the alternative: another four loathsome years of Obama/Biden. It does, however, mean that this election isn’t going to give the sweeping changes that libertarians were hoping would come out of the grassroots Tea Party movement.

Barack Obama fashions himself an old-style Democrat, the likes of President John Kennedy. But what Kennedy wanted for the Nation half a century ago was affordable then. As the upsurge in Federal debt shows, it simply is not possible now.

If Obama looks to the Kennedy era, expect Romney to be a replay not of President Ronald Reagan, but his successor, President George H.W. Bush. That will mean continued excessive military spending and interventions overseas. It will mean continued large deficits.

Led by Romney/Ryan, the country may be 20 percent to 30 percent improved over what will happen if the Obama/Biden team is re-elected. But that won’t be a renaissance for America, and the end result will fall far short of making libertarians happy.

Finally and perhaps most importantly, while a Romney/Ryan victory is in the cards, I don’t think it will resuscitate the U.S. dollar. That inevitably means a continued deterioration in the greenback’s purchasing power — something you should consider before you buy any U.S. paper and before you sell any precious metals you have accumulated.

Yours in good times and bad,
–John Myers
Editor, Myers’ Energy & Gold Report

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