Thread: Support H.R.220 - Common Sense About Identity Theft & RE

No id is tamper proof. The momentum to get the Rid of the Real ID is increasing. In NC and around the Country. Those of you in NC who want to get involved please let me know. We have a conference call to deal with this. We are also having national conference calls from people across the country so we can get this to work. PM me if you want this information. Don't waste your time arguing with Jonathan, it is quite useless, but you can take some time to help us create change.

Yes, no ID is tamper proof and no money is counterfeit-proof, but that is why ID and currency standards must be updated to make them more resistant to forgery. You can never eliminate all crime, but that does not mean you do nothing to diminish it.

We need a more secure ID so illegals cannot vote in our elections and cannot work in our country. A more secure ID turns off the 'jobs magnet'.

Liberals oppose REAL ID because they want illegals to vote for them, and the Wall Street Journal opposes REAL ID because they want cheap UNDOCUMENTED illegal labor.

The liberals, illegals and the Wall Street business interests love the fact that many people in the anti-illegal alien movement oppose REAL ID just as they do. They are laughing.

North Carolinians Against Real ID


North Carolinians Against Real IDis a grassroots effort by We the People of North Carolina to stop the Real ID. We are comprised from all walks of life. Many members are proud U.S. Veterans. Others are grand parents, mothers, fathers, members of the clergy, business owners and on on.

Our Plan is a simple one. We will contact and educate every one of our Legislators until they understand the costs and privacy concerns when it comes to the Real ID. Furthermore, once we have educated them, we want legislation passed to stop all compliance of the Real ID Act and any databases that include biometric and other personal data required by the Real ID Act to be removed.

We want a secure driver's license, but creating a national id card is not the answer. Many states were already in the process of securing their drivers licenses before the Real ID was voted into law as part of a massive military spending bill.

http://www.ncard.info/

We want a secure driver's license, but creating a national id card is not the answer.

Glad to hear you want a secure driver's license. Please provide the details that would make it secure.

Originally Posted by Jonathan

We want a secure driver's license, but creating a national id card is not the answer.

Glad to hear you want a secure driver's license. Please provide the details that would make it secure.

Read the guidelines Jonathan, NC had just updated their system to ensure a valid SS# was given. If you wont read it yourself, I am certainly not going to point that out. As I said before, talking to you is a waste of time and frankly I have better things to do.

or those of you who contacted me, I'll talk to you on the conference call, we have some exciting news about the progress we are making in stopping the national/global id card know as the "Real ID"

Read the guidelines Jonathan, NC had just updated their system to ensure a valid SS# was given.

Where are these guidelines? When did NC update their system? You have so many posts on this thread it would take hours for anybody to find it - assuming it is already here. Realize that other people are reading this as well. If you want to promote your position to everybody, you should be more willing to supply information.

Originally Posted by Jonathan

Read the guidelines Jonathan, NC had just updated their system to ensure a valid SS# was given.

Where are these guidelines? When did NC update their system? You have so many posts on this thread it would take hours for anybody to find it - assuming it is already here. Realize that other people are reading this as well. If you want to promote your position to everybody, you should be more willing to supply information.

It seems to me, if someone was serious about getting the information, they would hunt it down for themselves.
http://www.news-record.com/apps/pbcs.dl ... 973383546/

Now that NC is Real ID compliant. Why is it that they accept a Matricula Consular Card?

http://www.ncdot.org/DMV/driver_service ... lying.html

Backlash mounts against REAL ID
By Brad Bumsted
STATE CAPITOL REPORTER
Tuesday, February 19, 2008

HARRISBURG -- Republican and Democratic state lawmakers are teaming up to oppose the federal REAL ID program, claiming it creates a national identity card that poses a threat to personal privacy.

REAL ID "is a terribly invasive new government tracking system being implemented here in Pennsylvania and across this nation, without legislative approval and certainly without public knowledge," said Rep. Sam Rohrer, a Berks County Republican known as one of the Legislature's most conservative members.

Rohrer and Rep. Babette Josephs, a liberal Philadelphia Democrat, are sponsoring a bill that would block REAL ID in Pennsylvania.

The House Intergovernmental Affairs Committee plans public hearings on the issue Thursday in Philadelphia and March 13 in Pittsburgh.

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"It's an issue that hits home" with many Pennsylvanians, said Jerry Shuster, a professor of political communication at the University of Pittsburgh. "I think people believe any information the government has is too much."

In the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks, Congress enacted legislation to establish a national standard for driver's licenses. The idea was to create tamper-proof licenses that terrorists couldn't replicate.

Gov. Ed Rendell's administration is reviewing Homeland Security regulations, and the governor is concerned about the costs of implementing REAL ID, his spokesman Chuck Ardo, said.

Although opponents of the idea worry about privacy invasion, proponents say creating a high-tech version of state driver's licenses would help prevent identity theft.

But Rohrer and Josephs counter that hackers could break into the database to steal identities.

"The potential for identity theft is gigantic, unbelievable," Rohrer said.

The program enacted by Congress would use high-resolution facial photography, which critics fear could include iris scans for personal identification. States would share the data electronically, which Rohrer and Josephs say would create a "national database" of personal identities.

The REAL ID program was included in a federal defense spending bill approved in 2005 without public hearings.

Rohrer argues the federal program infringes on states' rights and requires states to spend billions of dollars without adequate federal funding.

"It's aggressive. It's on a fast track," he said.

Pennsylvania has until Dec. 31, 2009, to begin complying with REAL ID. States must begin issuing IDs by May 11, 2011.

The Department of Homeland Security in recent testimony to the Pennsylvania Legislature insisted REAL ID is not a national ID card, and said the federal government won't have access to any more personal information.

Seven states have acted to refuse using the REAL ID card. Montana was the first to revoke the program.

"We recognized that REAL ID was a major threat to the privacy, constitutional rights and pocketbooks of ordinary Montanans," Gov. Brian Schweitzer said recently.

In states fighting the program, residents won't be able to use driver's licenses as identification to board airplanes or enter federal buildings. They would have to show passports or other identification acceptable to Homeland Security.

The odd political marriage of Rohrer and Josephs in Pennsylvania is mirrored at the national level, with liberal groups such as the American Civil Liberties Union working against the program alongside conservative organizations such as the American Center for Law & Justice, which was founded by evangelical preacher Pat Robertson.

Rohrer and Josephs have 68 co-sponsors on their bill, including House Majority Leader Bill DeWeese, D-Greene County.

Josephs said she opposes REAL ID not just because of the expense and the national database she worries it will create.

"It's going to make getting your driver's license so inconvenient. It'll take hours to get it," she said. "There is no evidence, no reason to believe, it will make us safer from terrorism."

Grassroots rebellion?

Twenty-one states went on record to oppose REAL ID last year. In seven of those states -- Georgia, Maine, Montana, New Hampshire, Oklahoma, South Carolina and Washington -- legislatures enacted laws banning state implementation of REAL ID, which critics say is a national identity card.

Idaho enacted legislation appropriating "zero" dollars in 2008 to set up the program.

PennDOT has awarded a $45 million contract to prepare for issuing REAL ID. States must begin issuing the cards by 2011.

Two bills are pending in the Pennsylvania General Assembly to block REAL ID:

Senate Bill 1220, by Sen. Mike Folmer, R-Lebanon County. View it online.

House Bill 1351, by Rep. Sam Rohrer, R-Berks County. View it online.

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsbu ... 53097.html

Originally Posted by jp_48504

Now that NC is Real ID compliant. Why is it that they accept a Matricula Consular Card?

http://www.ncdot.org/DMV/driver_service ... lying.html

Good question as to why they would accept the foreign Matricula Consular Card.

But aren't you opposed to NC being compliant with Real ID standards?