Thread: ALIPAC Withdraws From AZ Rallies Over Nazi Groups & Tanc

Believe me, we need to embrace anybody who is on our side in this.

Actually, no, we don't.

How will embracing White Nationalists and skinhead groups further our cause and credibility? We need to run like hell from this! The OBL are looking, looking, looking for ANYthing to sling at us.

Sorry, but it will set us back lightyears to associate ourselves with the likes of them. There is a saying "you are known by the company you keep" and we don't want anything to do with them....infiltrators or not.

It's one thing if they show up unexpected, but to knowingly forge ahead when they are expected to be there would be a huge mistake.

I'm not sure if I agree or not with the withdraw...I just want to let you know there are always the same to crazy nazi types that show up at every anti illegal imigration and there's no getting rid of them, no talking to them no anything.

I'm sorry they can derail our being a cohesive group

I agree with djufo

We should not allow the illegal aliens to define who we are. THEY are THE MOST RACIST groups who proudly march in OUR streets telling us they are taking back their land, while they proudly wave their flag in defiance.

It does a disservice to those who may have bought tickets to AZ. that are not refundable. I would be completely turned off by a cancellation of a rally after having made plans to attend, just because Alipac is afraid of being associated with a possible fraud. Alipac has had it's own site hacked and should know that this could have been the work of those same elements.

This isn't the first time Alipac has pulled out of something over fear of association with racists. You can't allow THEM to define who you are. THEY are the racists, and they proudly declare it. People will not be willing to make plans in advance if you do this again. I had been entertaining the thought of going, and I have attended protests in D.C. even though I live in GA. I buy non-refundable tickets because they are the least expensive.

Stop worrying what the other side will say. THEY sure don't!

Typical egotistical response from William Gheen.
It's a crying shame that these few power tripping individuals keep splitting the numerous Patriots. Individuals such as William Gheen could be the doom of our combined efforts to Save America !!!!

"I think it's called similaris ... that's when a person's ass and face become so similar, you can no longer tell the difference between the two."

"He's hammering in the final nails of his coffin. I don't know anyone who will contribute to ALIPAC anymore."

The two comments above are just a sample of near 100 responses I have received since Gheen's retreat announcement.

The 05 June 2010 event will be a huge success. We personally have confirmed 100's of members of our organization will be attending from across the United States. Crowd expectations are to exceed 10,000 American Patriots. As with any Pro American / No Amnesty rally, we (RAIA) have always secured each event and have stopped any infiltration of the neo Nazi's, skinheads or any other racially motivated groups, along with the pro illegal socialists that attempt to infiltrate our permitted territory. We have a great relationship with Law Enforcement and have worked continuously with Law Enforcement to ensure the safety of all participates and that our American Support Rallies are secured.

Good luck to you Mr. Gheen to find your "happy place" where your ego and self serving rallies will not encounter the infiltration of the neo Nazi types or the pro illegal socialists. Just because you were denied center stage appearance and sponsorship, you "withdraw" and create malicious excuses for your "withdraw"

I (we, RAIA, AFR and the Minutemen) have been on the streets and very active for over 8 years now. Yet, unlike you, we accept zero monetary compensation. I hear Mr Gheen paid himself $90,000 in 2009. Not bad, especially in the worst economy in my 50+ years on this planet. My business lost over $40,000 last year.

Shame on you for belittling Mr. Tancredo, Dan Smeriglio and other true Patriots. Expect huge unsubscription activity to ALIPAC.

Once again, what a shame. ALIPAC once was a very respected instrument. This shameless malicious attack on Mr Tancredo and Dan Smeriglio.

James Cooney
Arizona Chapter President

Sounds like ALIPAC left the Battlefield before the lines were drawn. What will ALIPAC do on 5 & 12 June 2010. When we see a problem is the solution to turn tail etc.. Like I said what will we do on those dates, wish them well?
I agree with "Patriotpatti", If you are going to get action on the Illegal Immingration and other issues you must participate. You can not always pick who's is on your flank, you just hope they don't cut and run before the fight starts. You should worry about Tredo(sic), I don't know and don't
care who he is. Get on with the fight. If you are out weighted, get help!
Good luck.
SeniorAnswerman.

Originally Posted by SusanSmithNAG

William:

Please, I encourage you to apologize to former Congressman, Tom Tancredo for associating him with racist organizations.

I think somewhere you must have been misinformed about Tom Tancredo, but it is not too late to correct the unintended error and put this behind us so we can ALL move forward to oppose illegall immigration.

SusanSmithNAG, I will not be apologizing to Tom Tancredo after the mess he has made with these events, his underhanded attempts to undermine our event on the 12th, and the lies he is telling right now claiming that our claims are without merit.

Tom Tancredo owes all of us an apology for not doing what needed to be done to protect our issue and cause from problems such as an event organizer promoting neo nazi rock groups on the same Facebook profile promoting the rally!

W

Originally Posted by Tony-Illinois

William, I am becoming a little concerned that some of the responses on this thread, including that of Smeriglio, have been deleted. I don't think it's right to censor their posts when the comments were applicable to the discussion at hand. I keep an open mind on sides of an argument and always question, and I think deleting those posts may be against such spirit.

Dan Smeriglio's comments have not been censored or removed. Your claim is false. I just looked on the first page of comments and there his own words stand clearly for all to view.

W

Originally Posted by ChicagoMan

I have flight ticket, room reserved, and a rental car for the 12th and would be interested as all hell to find out if it's still on. Last I heard Brewer and others were speaking. What the hell is going on here?

At this time the Tea Party group out of Florida plans to continue with the June 12 event as of our discussion this afternoon. We pointed that out in the email above.

As far as I know, Tancredo and Smeriglio plan to continue with their June 5 rally despite the fact all the top candidates that appear on their stage are going to get hit with this info the illegals have collected that we released today.

W

Originally Posted by apalmerjr

I'm glad I didn't send ALIPAC any money if they're going to back down from the cause that easily. All it takes anymore is for someone to call you a racist and you fold your tents and go away. Even though the illegals have radicals working with them (LARAZA) the people on the side of the law are expected to be politically correct. Believe me, we need to embrace anybody who is on our side in this. This is a battle for our Country and we need all the help we can get. Tom Tancredo has practically stood alone in this and all you can do is say something negative about him.

I'm glad you have never given us money as well, because of as of right now NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON THAT HAS DONATED TO ALIPAC HAS TAKEN UP OUR OFFER FOR A REFUND, NOT ONE.

So, that could change by tomorrow, but it certainly says something.

No, Tom Tancredo has not "stood alone" and lots of other groups, activists, and citizens have fought hard against illegal immigration. ALIPAC is quite accustomed to false accusations of racism from the illegal alien supporters.

All the more reason we should work against any real racists when they try to show up.

W

This just in from Tom Tancredo:

"I am proud to be participating in the June 5 rally at the Arizona state capitol in support of Arizona’s new law aimed at illegal immigration, SB1070. The allegations against one of the rally’s organizers, Daniel Smeriglio, have been examined and are not only without merit, they are the worst kind of character assassination that no decent person in politics, left, right or center, should condone.
“One can only speculate about the motives behind this transparent smear campaign. But I do know that good citizens of Arizona and across the nation will not be deterred from expressing their support for Arizona State Senator Russell Pearce and the citizens of Arizona who have taken this bold step to control illegal immigration. The June 5 rally is going forward and information is available at http://www.phoenixrally.com."
TOM TANCREDO,
Lakewood, Colorado