Thread: Bush's disapproval rating worst of any president in 70 years

A lot of people forget a few things: First, the major intelligence agencies, including our own said that Iraq had WMD's. (They even used them on the Kurds as some may forget). Remember this? Also, don't forget that the were over 15? UN resolutions violated by Iraq. No matter how you slice it, the overwhelming sentiment at the time among almost ALL of our congressman, including Clinton was that Iraq posed a major threat and they approved the use of military force. At the time, it was decided that we couldn't allow terrorists even one chance to get their hands on any of these weapons. So, to blame Bush for the Iraq war is unfair at best and irresponsible at worst. 9/11 should have been a grim reminder to everyone that the world we lived in had changed forever. Yes, Iraq has been a mess since the start of the conflict but that's another debate. It does appear that things are improving.

Originally Posted by AngelaTC

Originally Posted by MW

I don't like Bush anymore than the rest of you, however, I feel folks are jumping the gun if they feel his success or failure as a president has already been determined for the history books. His legacy will be the war on terrorism (to include the Iraq war)..

Iraq had absolutely nothing to do with the war on terror. There were no terrorists in Iraq. They had no weapons of mass destruction. They had no Al Qaeda. They did not attack anybody.

That's not a legacy to be proud of.

alipacdude, well stated and my hat is off to you! Which President has tackled the issue of illegal immigration in the past 30 yrs or better? Why? Why not? Which Congress?

President Bush can take a well deserved beating. Who should throw the first stone? Don't overthrow or you might hit a blood relative!

TexasBorn, I agree, we should be trying to educate ourselves and others about congress and the role that the everyday American plays in this great nation of ours. Plenty of blame to go around, no need to hang all of it around George Bush's neck. Americans did not get the Congress or the President they have by accident.

Bush bashing has become a popular sport, so was Clinton bashing. Have we reaped what we've sown? Bush bashing is easy to do, what will it take for change?

I donot post here for the members alone, most are of like mind on the issue of illegal immigration. Who are the spectators? Are they here to learn? To join? What can be done to gain more participation from the audience? I learn more than I can give, whatever that might be.

BearFlagRepublic, I am a work in progress. (hopefully....progress. ) The internet has opened up much info for myself and others I am sure. The internet opens many opportunities for Americans to come together and tackle problems, ALIPAC is proof of that and I am glad this site is here and available to all. In 2004 I opted to stay the course with hopes that things would go well. I did not feel it was a good idea to change captains whilst in mid stream.

Illegal immigration has been an issue that I became concerned about in 1979. This is not the only issue that I pay attention too.

The secularization of American life and politics.

Illegal immigration.

2nd Ammendment incursions.

Moral and ethical decay in society, business, and politics.

Globalism.

Greed in the housing market.

National energy issues and policies.

Global warming farce.

Education issues.

Free trade vs fair trade.

Agricultural issues.

All can be approached with the right leadership in Congress with the support of Americans that hold American ideals above one's self. Only with participation and desire and vigilant attention will America look like America in the future.

American, are you affraid of hard work? Mow your own lawn, or hire the kid next door, or a legal American for the wage that keeps you from doing it!

Anyone planting tomatos or Zuchini in the back yard this year? Who will do the weeding?

Throw your TV out the window and take a deep breath of free (for now anyway) and fresh air, your brain requires oxygen not gossip or propaganda.

What I do not understand, is that if Bush cared oh so much for American security, the threats of WMD, terrorists etc, that he is willing to sacrifice thousands of our best young men and squander half a trillion dollars......Why has he left the border wide open for over 7 years

I just don't buy that he had our best interests in the invasion of Iraq. He does not have our best interests at heart in anything he does. Something besides American security was/is driving this war, as our government has blatenly shown that they do not care about American security where it counts -- on our own soil.

Originally Posted by BearFlagRepublic

What I do not understand, is that if Bush cared oh so much for American security, the threats of WMD, terrorists etc, that he is willing to sacrifice thousands of our best young men and squander half a trillion dollars......Why has he left the border wide open for over 7 years

I just don't buy that he had our best interests in the invasion of Iraq. He does not have our best interests at heart in anything he does. Something besides American security was/is driving this war, as our government has blatenly shown that they do not care about American security where it counts -- on our own soil.

Well Said!

Originally Posted by TexasBorn

A lot of people forget a few things: First, the major intelligence agencies, including our own said that Iraq had WMD's. (They even used them on the Kurds as some may forget). Remember this? Also, don't forget that the were over 15? UN resolutions violated by Iraq. No matter how you slice it, the overwhelming sentiment at the time among almost ALL of our congressman, including Clinton was that Iraq posed a major threat and they approved the use of military force. At the time, it was decided that we couldn't allow terrorists even one chance to get their hands on any of these weapons. So, to blame Bush for the Iraq war is unfair at best and irresponsible at worst. 9/11 should have been a grim reminder to everyone that the world we lived in had changed forever. Yes, Iraq has been a mess since the start of the conflict but that's another debate. It does appear that things are improving.

9/11 was a grim reminder that things had changed forever. It had absolutely nothing to do with Iraq. Bush started the war. I do indeed blame him, because he is a war monger. We should not attack people who have not attacked us first. It's that simple. The whole concept of preemptive war is insanity.

You'll be hard pressed to find a darned thing I have forgotten about the invasion of Iraq, a sovereign nation that attacked nobody.

The weapons that Saddam used on the Kurds came from the United States, by the way. So you're saying we attacked them because we thought they still possessed the weapons that we gave them.

The fact that our intelligence was so dreadfully wrong is absolutely no excuse. It just makes the situation that much worse. And it should discredit every case the administration makes for staying there.

There was no UN resolution for anybody to march into Iraq. The UN did not invade Iraq, and the UN specifically said that the violations did not warrant retribution.

It should absolutely discredit the motivations to march into Iran next.

Iraq is not our country. We do not belong there. Middle East troubles would stay in the Middle East if the West would stay out of the Middle East.

Even if it did, Iraq posed absolutely no threat to the United States. We are not the police of the world, and we have no business sticking our noses (and our troops!) into the affairs of sovreign nations.

Things are improving - 3800 American deaths after "Mission Accomplished."

Terrorism is always the result of occupation, and it always ceases when the occupation ceases. But we cannot win a war against a tactic.

The answer is simple Molly, N.A.U.


"Why has he left the border wide open for over 7 years?"

Originally Posted by TexasBorn

The answer is simple Molly, N.A.U.


"Why has he left the border wide open for over 7 years?"

I agree, that may be the answer, but it still makes him a traitor!

Originally Posted by Molly

Originally Posted by TexasBorn

The answer is simple Molly, N.A.U.


"Why has he left the border wide open for over 7 years?"

I agree, that may be the answer, but it still makes him a traitor!

BINGO!

The Bush Betrayal-by The Numbers: www.vdare.com/rubenstein/070613_nd.htm

Originally Posted by Molly

Originally Posted by TexasBorn

The answer is simple Molly, N.A.U.


"Why has he left the border wide open for over 7 years?"

I agree, that may be the answer, but it still makes him a traitor!

It makes him a traitor, and it shows that he does not care about our sovereignty nor security. He has allowed the Mexican military to engage in fire fights with our BP, he is allowing drug cartels to bring in meth and heroin, allowing MS-13 and Mexican Mafia to flow in to terrorize us, and he is allowing OTM possible terrorists to flow into the nation unchecked. There is no way this man gives a damn about our security.

I want the UN to study the Mexican invasion of the US, both militarily and goverment supported demographic replacement. I want the people in Washington to tell the people actually invading us that they have a timeline to get their act together, or will face conseqeunces. I want the secretary of defense to go to the UN, get a resolution like they did for Iraq, call it UN Resolution 1234 -- whatever you like. And demand that Mexico City cease and decist its invasion of the soveriegn republic of the United States.

They will never do this, because they do not give a damn about our security. They will bend over backwards, spend hand over fist, and waste men away in a country thousands of miles away, that poses no where near the threat of the country that is invading us -- MEXICO. Far from it, they are joining hands with the country that is invading us.

My 2 Cents

Let me remind you of some of the issues this man has us mired in. I am not letting this corrupt individual off as easily as some of you would like. So let me make my points of order than you can chastise me. I talk about the last amnesty that Bush wanted to pass. But the amnesty was just a piece of the puzzle President Bush needed for the North American Union Agenda to fall into place so keep that in mind.

I believe this man has lied to the American people and continue to do so under the veil of what he likes to call Presidential privilege (meaning you and I have no right to know what our governmental officials are doing). We are not talking about the pentagon or the CIA Top Secret stuff here… were talking in the line of what direction is this President taking this country.

I believe this man has committed Treason by stealth in trying to form a (NAU) North American Union that resembles the (EU) European Union. This was done without congressional oversight and hidden from the American people. Treason is seldom done publicly because of the ramifications and this man is smart enough that all of this could be a done deal before this country knows what has just happened. When the President was questioned about it in Canada, he not only side stepped the question but said it was part of a conspiracy theory.

I believe that charges need to be leveled against this man and him called before congress and let him answer questions before the American pubic. If he lies then Impeachment should not only follow, charges of Treason need to happen as soon as possible. If he is telling the truth than he has nothing to worry about….

Over an over I hear from my peers that Bush should be impeached, but this country will be in even worse shape if Vice President Chaney takes over as President or even worse if Pelosi fills the void as President. I disagree; if Bush is impeached it will serve as a warning to not only Chaney and Pelosi but any other politician in the near future that the American people will not tolerate a President that lies to it’s people that does irreparable damage to our sovereignty as a Nation.

This country is supposed to be the leader of the free world, and we as Americans deserve a competent leader. More so, the world deserves a competent leader of the free world, not a globalist that strips the wealth from country to country and pushes agendas that cripple the middle class to give more wealth to global organizations.

Never in the history of the United States has any one individual done the amount of damage this man has done, not only to this country but the world as a whole. We have lost our credibility as a world leader and as one that always tries to do the right thing. We have already lost the world’s confidence. The man is so corrupt even the Democrats don't want him impeached; Bush makes the Democratic candidate for President, Hillary Clinton look good and that itself should be a scary thought. Nancy Pelosi stated impeachment is off the table. For those of you that do not know, this woman is about as liberal as they get and as anti Republican as she could be….. But impeachment is off the table? Think about that for a moment.

Bush has single handedly crippled the Republican Party time and time again. I am a conservative Republican and right now feel that I do not have a party. Republicans are changing party tickets to Independent and the Republicans are losing financial contributions from even the most loyal of its party members.

I feel the only way for the Republicans to get any sort of respect back to the party is to oust the corruption and that includes the current president. It is truly amazing how far a party can slide in such a short period of time. Bush is not the complete problem… but he is a very big part of it.

It’s astounding; the World knows this man is an idiot; why can’t this country see it. Like I said earlier, I am a Republican and I voted for this crack pot twice. I have been humbled to the bone and will never ever vote a straight party ticket ever again, but I have not lost all hope.

I would also like to state that many have said President Bush has kept us safe since 9/11 and free of terror attacks. I would like to say it was more from the 9/11 commission and not Bush. Not long ago it was reported that terrorists have been crossing the Mexican / American border and we the people are in for a rude awakening if we think we are safe from harm. Don’t think for a minute the border has been sealed and you are safe. Neither is a true statement.

Below is a list of President Bush’s blunders… directly or indirectly that effect you, me and the Country.

- The Economy (Bush) Greenspan and the Bernanke goes by Bushes Guidance ... liquidity from Bush has the markets ready to collapse.
- Excessive liquidity flooded the banks which fueled the housing collapse
- Sub Prime fiasco (Financed by the Fed)
- the national debt prior to Bush was just a 3 Trillion Dollars prior to Bush and and has since climbed 6 trillion dollars under Bush. It now totals over 9 Trillion Dollars
- A US very, very bad recession is right around the corner IF NOT DEPRESSION. If you think I am kidding you might want to read moneymax.com and get up to speed.
- Billions of US investor dollars lost within the last month alone in the stock market and is SCREAMING FOR A TAX PAYER BAILOUT
- Billions of foreign currency lost because of the liquidity of the Fed under Bush. Yes, the EU and the bank of Japan as well as several others have been taking a beating because of the contagion that has rocked the world banks
- The Rich are getting Richer; the Poor and Getting Poorer and the Middle class is being eliminated
- Talk of the Amero when our markets collapse and don’t think this is to far out there. If markets collapse we may not have a choice. If the dollar has no value, people will treat it like the plague.
- The War .... This is the most incompetent commander in chief ever ... almost 4,000 war dead... the injured and the severely injured are way to numerous to count
- He even out sourced his Job as Commander and Chief to a 4 star general.... NO Commander and Chief has ever, ever done that
- Billions and Billions spent in Iraq and nothing works. Yet Haliburton continues to rake in billions upon billions of US dollars through no bid contracts while moving its head quarters to the country of Dubai so they will not have to pay taxes (yep, all that funding is now all tax free). Chaney used to have a seat on the board and stocks as well, although now I just do not know.
- New talk of WW III with this nut case leading the way.
- Iran Quds force killing the best soldiers on this planet (Our Protectors) the US ARMED FORCES and he makes jokes as he stutters on the podium. The advanced IED penetrators coming out of Iran is doing the most damage to our fine soldiers and is killing and injuring up to 80% of our soldiers. Yet we hear the same ole rhetoric coming from a lame duck saying we cannot prove it.
- The Terrorist organizations are growing and now we have confirmed that terrorist from the Middle East crossed into this country from the Mexican border.
- The all volunteer force is depleted and now we are looking at opening up the draft again
- Worn out military equipment
- Exhausted Soldiers
- Veterans hospital worn out
- Illegal Immigrant invasion and it still hasn't’ slowed down to the level we are making progress. More are still coming across every day than what we expel.
- Amnesty giveaway of US benefits
- Social security to Illegal aliens
- Law of the Sea Treaty
- Directive 51
- Destroying key video tapes of water boarding
- Five more FREE trade deals pending. 2 passed
- Interfering with the Texas inmate sentenced to death. Bush tried to intervene on behalf of the world court which has no jurisdiction.
- how many citizens a day are killed by a drunk illegal alien (DUI) (Under your watch) Not only am I talking to Mr. Bush, I am talking to you.
- How many women and little children have been raped by illegal alien predator (Under your watch) Why have not more moms and das gone after the president. Where are the greatest generation almost all of whom are grand parents.
- Wet foot Dry Foot Cubans getting 10,000 dollars after processing with ICE
- after 9/11 and the borders are not even close to being sealed
- H1-B Visa mess
- Out sourcing of American jobs
- Off shoring corporations
- INFLATION = the Fed has cooked the books... You are a nut case if you expect us to believe that inflation is within 2% which would raise the interest rate to get it under control. The unofficial guess is that it is running between 6-8 percent. But the fed insists that it is stubbornly just above 2 %
- Hyper inflation right around the corner not long after the Federal Reserve cuts interest rates and look for a seriously devalued dollar which is already at a 15 year low against the Euro. Since 2001, the dollar has lost 30% of its value.
- The department of homeland security (What kind of joke is this). Ask yourself if you feel safer and be honest.
- Katrina (Waist, Fraud and abuse of Billions of taxpayer dollars)
- Scooter Libby Pardoned (BUT)
- Our own Border Patrol officers are being locked up doing 11 -12 years while we give a free pass to a drug smuggler from a corrupt Federal Prosecutor Johnny Sutton
- The Abromoff scandal
- NAFTA
- CAFTA
- NAFTA Super highway taking funds from the States Department of Transportation. These funds are needed to repair infrastructure like the bridge that recently collapsed. So what we are doing is building a toll road with American tax dollars, so Americans can be charged by an company from Spain that won a no bid contract that will take funding that we need to repair up to 80,000 bridges that are in serious need of repair… what kind of reasoning is this?
- The SPP has been devastating to the economy
- CARL ROVE (this was supposed to be Bushes Brain) if so I hope the lobotomy worked ... this man has advised King George W. Bush on the Amnesty Issue and Social Security
- Outing Valery Plame (One of our agents) destroying her career
- Mexican congress and the Mexican President is sending a letter to request Bush pardon Elvira Arellano because of her son Saul Arellano by granting her clemency..... Watch this one close. President Bush is neck deep with the corrupt Mexican government
- Secretary of Homeland security Michael Chertoff (Just another STUPID over paid government employee) I have a gut feeling. Are we supposed to feel safe with this idiot at the helm of our nations security
- Alberto Gonzolez and the firing of the 8 US attorneys. This might be a good man that was way in over his head with a corrupt administration.
- Vice President Chaney claiming executive privilege and protection from the President in hiding any and all information that should be open to the public
- The Sec. of Commerce is currently on a 3 nation South American tour trying to drum up 5 more free trade agreements. Free trade agreements hurt the American economy. What we need is a fair trade agreement. One that doesn't’t hurt the American consumer by giving unfair trade advantages to mega corporations at the tax payers expense.
- The Dubai ports deal
- Harriet Myers for the supreme court of the land… Oh common now!
- The Abromoff scandal
- Inaction on Darfur. Millions killed, genocide, starvation, rapes and we stand back and do nothing. I am assuming because there is no oil.
- Tony Blair forced to resign because of being joined at the hip with Bush.
- The President on Australia lost his bid to re-election because of Bush's influence over the war
- Tainted pet food from China killing our beloved animals.
- Tainted food from China passed off as edible and not checked by the Federal government.
- lead paint on toys that are meant for our children after 15 years ago being promised that china would clean up it's act on lead paint... yes, it has been 15 years of promising
- International hatred of the US by 95% of the world because of greedy corporation's and lobbyist that President Bush panders too
- Middle eastern men crossing the border (terrorists) and we do nothing (Must be the wait for another 9/11 scenario before we do something)
- You Sir need to be tried by an International Court of your peers and just sentencing to occur for war crimes against humanity for your killing of the international community. Iraq is far from over, we went in for false pretenses and it will be many years before we can leave completely. There maybe terrorists there now after our invasion, but they were not there in force prior to the war. If you can really say the Iraqi’s are a lot better off now, maybe you should go spend 24 hours there and see how safe you feel… then tell that to the estimated 600,000 that have been killed and the 2,000,000 that have been displaced running for their lives.
- President Bush needs to be tried by an American court; charged by American citizens and just sentencing to occur for war crimes against humanity for your implication in the killing of American citizens by illegal immigrants; the rape of women and children; all the DUI's committed by the Illegal Immigrant population as well as the deaths of the American motorists... Treason is the most severe we need to focus on. The list just seems to go on and on like the energizer bunny. This President is the gift that keeps on giving all year long.

I think that we the people should be very afraid of all of the damage this one individual has created and he is not done yet. He maybe a lame duck, but he still has enormous powers. Some of this stuff may not be able to be undone…. And that is scary in itself. But we need to act and act soon. The political elite keep pushing smaller components of the Amnesty bill piece by piece and are hiding it in the war spending to pass it through the gauntlet.

Now we the People are racists because we will no longer bow to all of the crap stated above... I feel sick going through all of this info, upgrading and proofing all of this junk.. But it needs to be said. I am far from being a writer, and am trying to clean this up so please excuse my errors.

Who am I to say all of this? I am a 90% disabled veteran that has completed 21.5 years of service to this country. I am a conservative republican without a party. I am a dad and a granddad at 47 years old and I am a very mad American.

I truly wish I could put on a pair of BuL_ SHI_ deflectors over my eyes and wish it all to go away... but I cannot