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    DHS Secretary Says That Border Patrol Won't Shoot Back If Fired Upon By Caravan

    DHS Secretary Says That Border Patrol Won't Shoot Back If Fired Upon By Caravan




    by Holly Matkin
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    DHS Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen said that she will not tolerate acts of violence against U.S. Border Patrol agents.

    Washington, DC – Department of Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen has vowed to stop the massive migrant caravan from crossing the U.S. border with Mexico, and said she would not tolerate any acts of violence against U.S. Border Patrol agents.

    However, she added that Border Patrol agents wouldn't return fire if people in the caravan shot at them.

    “This caravan cannot come to the United States,” Nielsen told FOX News on Thursday. “They will not be allowed in. They will not be allowed to stay."

    Nielsen said the agency does “not have any intention right now to shoot at people,” but said anyone trying to cross the border illegally “will be apprehended.”

    When asked if agents would return fire if they're shot at, Nielsen responded "no," according to The Hill.

    “I want to make clear we will absolutely not tolerate violence against Border Patrol in this situation," she added. "I will not tolerate Mexicans or anybody else acting in a violent way towards our men and women on the border."

    On Thursday, President Donald Trump tweeted a message directed to the members of the caravan, and told them to go back home.

    “To those in the Caravan, turnaround,” he wrote. “We are not letting people into the Unites States illegally. Go back to your Country and if you want, apply for citizenship like millions of others are doing!”

    Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump

    To those in the Caravan, turnaround, we are not letting people into the United States illegally. Go back to your Country and if you want, apply for citizenship like millions of others are doing!
    2:31 PM - Oct 25, 2018



    The President also said he was “bringing out the military” to help stop the onslaught of illegal migrants, and called their advancement a “National Emergency,” The Hill reported.

    Defense Secretary Jim Mattis approved the Department of Homeland Security’s request to deploy additional troops to the border on Friday, The Wall Street Journal reported.

    The Pentagon will determine how many military personnel to deploy, and are expected to utilize active duty units as opposed to the National Guard, according to the paper.

    President Trump previously expressed concern about intelligence information he has received regarding the presence of MS-13 gang members and criminals within the hoard of migrants.

    “Terrorists have highlighted, for many years, the loopholes in our border security, Nielsen told FOX News. “We do know…there are criminals as part of this flow. We do know there are gang members as part of this flow.”

    According to international authorities, some members of the group have kidnapped children during the mass movement northward, Nielsen said.

    “So, it’s not all people seeking asylum,” she noted.

    Nielsen explained that some members of the migrant group might mistakenly believe that reuniting with family members or looking for work in the U.S. constitutes “asylum.”

    Nielsen said that migrants who are actually fleeing from violence have been offered the opportunity for asylum by the Mexican government, so continuing on to the United States is not warranted.

    "They should be seeking refuge in Mexico," she said. "To ignore, basically, refuge and continue, in some cases, to come to the United States raises questions of what their real motives are."

    According to agreements between many bordering countries, asylum-seekers should take refuge in the country nearest their own.

    “[There’s] a misunderstanding that if you’re being persecuted, you can live wherever you want, and that’s not what that means,” Nielsen said. “There’s some real asylum cases which we want to help, but others are abusing the system.”

    “Given this caravan, given this government’s commitment, if they come here illegally with no legitimate reason to stay, they absolutely will be apprehended and removed immediately,” she said.

    When FOX News asked Nielsen how the government is planning to stop the caravan from entering the U.S., she said that “everything is on the table” with regards to the options available, including the potential of cutting aid to three countries where many of the migrants originated from – El Salvador, Honduras, and Guatemala.

    According to The Wall Street Journal, authorities are also considering the possibility of temporarily sealing the ports of entry along the border entirely.

    The United Nations has estimated that the massive caravan has grown to approximately 7,000 people, The Washington Post reported.

    The crowd is still about 1,000 miles away from the U.S. border with Mexico, but if they manage to hop aboard freight trains when they reach Arriaga, Chiapas in the next couple of days, the amount of time it would take them to reach the U.S. would be drastically reduced.

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    this chick needs to be relieved of command
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    That was so much the wrong answer by Nielsen. She is not only weak, she's stupid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy View Post
    That was so much the wrong answer by Nielsen. She is not only weak, she's stupid.
    that Migrant Invasion force of Fighting age men kicked the crap out of 500 Mexican Police; if this simpleton is going to allow that to happen to our young soldiers at will then she needs to be fired Immediately
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    I think she was referring to Border Patrol Agents, but either way, it's wrong and a stupid answer. She's done several really stupid things starting with that ridiculous run of advertisements in Central America promoting asylum requests at the Ports of Entry instead of sneaking into the US at other places. She's gotta go.
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    She is in over her head.

    Fire John Kelly and fire her!

    Get Joe Arpaio down there and Sheriff Babeu and who was that great sheriff with the cowboy hat, the black guy? He is tough and smart!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beezer View Post
    She is in over her head.

    Fire John Kelly and fire her!

    Get Joe Arpaio down there and Sheriff Babeu and who was that great sheriff with the cowboy hat, the black guy? He is tough and smart!
    Exactly right, Beezer. She's in way over her head. But she wasn't the only one who looked weak and sounded stupid in that interview. They all did. It was like "yeah, we're here to enforce the law." Oh great, so what are you going to do to enforce the law? "yeah, well, oh that, uuuuh, our hands are tied, so we comply with the law." That's what they're doing, they aren't enforcing the law, they're complying with it.

    What DHS doesn't seem to understand is that when they're the only ones complying with the law, the laws aren't being enforced. It's like I've said through the years, laws and rules don't matter to illegal aliens or other lawbreakers for that matter. When the good guys are the only ones complying with the laws, the good guys are going to lose.

    That said, there's just absolutely no justification at all for her absurd statement that Border Patrol agents won't shoot back if fired upon. That is the most outrageous statement I've ever heard. Border Patrol fires back, of course they do. Why wouldn't they?
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    Sheriff David Clarke!

    Trump...get him on the DHS team.
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    Trump needs to deputize every state and local law enforcement officer in every border state, whether they want to enforce or not, those who do would be federally authorized to do so. They have these fantastic riot control and SWAT teams, with snipers, they have it all. Much better equipped than Border Patrol, unless Border Patrol has been holding out on US. ICE, they've got this stuff, but I guess they don't go to the Border. But state and local law enforcement (LE), they've got all this stuff.

    We need an AMERICAN LE CONVOY to "greet" this Honduran Et Al "Caravan."

    Make it a CONVOY VS CARAVAN deal. I would love seeing that. These people need to understand, this isn't just Trump, this isn't just federal law, this is the American People who are fed up with immigration into our country. We're done with it, no more tolerance for any of it. We've had it.
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    Trump also needs to issue an order to FIRE every government employee who is giving IRS tax refunds, driver's licenses, welfare, food stamps, section 8 housing and healthcare to illegal aliens.

    Go after the Governor's of these States for harboring, aiding and abetting illegal aliens.

    I am hoping these invaders QUALIFY for nothing! Do not even give them a bus ticket to transfer them all across the United States! They have NO authorization to be here, have no Green Card. We are NOT Uber! We are not Greyhound, we are NOT obligated to bus or fly them anywhere within the United States of America.

    How about I crash into Europe and demand they fly me all over their country! Outrages poppycock!

    They only transportation they should get is a voucher to hop on a bus in Mexico and GO HOME!

    They cannot afford to live here without the freebies.

    Cut off the school too...they have NO student visa to attend our schools and that is not fair to the students that do and have applied legally to attend our schools!!!

    Unless it is a life or death emergency...ALL hospitals and medical facilities need to turn them away and report them to ICE. They are aiding a abetting these illegal aliens too! Hospitals are a business and they are NOT above our Federal Immigration Laws!
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