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    Dismantle DACA Once and for All

    Dismantle DACA Once and for All

    By Rachel Bovard| January 7, 2018









    Are Republicans in Congress about to grant amnesty to the 800,000 recipients of the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program?


    A year ago, the question would have been unthinkable as Republicans rode the majority wave to the House, Senate, and the White House, in part because of their fierce opposition to DACA’s illegality.



    Recent reports make clear, however, that DACA will be first on the agenda as Congress returns to work this month.


    For their part, Democrats are thrilled. Many of them have been agitating for amnesty since President Obama implemented the program in 2012; some Democrats wanted to force a government shutdown over the issue at the end of last year.


    Democrats have argued for years that these so-called “Dreamers” are, as President Obama put it, “Americans … in every single way but one: on paper.” He went on to call them “talented, driven, patriotic young people” who have “studied hard, worked hard, maybe even graduated at the top of [their] class.”
    How unfair is it, Obama lamented, that these illegal immigrants would “suddenly face the threat of deportation to a country [they] know nothing about, with a language that [they] may not even speak.”


    The five years since DACA was implemented, however, demonstrate that these claims, the rhetoric, and the policy hardly reflect reality.


    For starters, a majority of DACA recipients aren’t young people. They’re adults, between the ages of 21 and 25.



    While some of them are indeed highly educated and capable of contributing to the economy, most of them are not, possibly because the Obama administration routinely waived DACA’s education requirements for many applicants.


    As a result, less than half of current DACA recipients have a high school education, despite a majority of them being adults. Moreover, an ongoing study by Harvard researcher Roberto G. Gonzalez found that, among the DACA recipients enrolled in high school, the dropout rate is nearly four times the national average. Likewise, only 20 percent have earned a bachelor’s degree, compared to about 32 percent of Americans who do.


    The high drop-out rates and low educational attainment may have something to do with the lack of English fluency among the DACA population.


    DACA itself does not require English fluency for an application. According to one study, 46 percent of DACA recipients have only basic English ability, and 24 percent of the DACA-eligible population is functionally illiterate.


    These aren’t quite the “American in all but name,” college valedictorians that President Obama made them out to be. In fact, the Congressional Budget Office estimates that one-fifth of DACA-eligible illegal immigrants will be on food stamps in the next 10 years, costing taxpayers nearly $26 billion.


    DACA recipients have also proven to be a troubling security threat.


    Democrats continue to claim that DACA immigrants are model citizens, which is perhaps why the Obama Department of Homeland Security barely vetted any DACA applicants before handing out administrative amnesty.


    According to documents released in a Judicial Watch Freedom of Information Request, the Obama Administration carried out a “lean and light” system of background checks—a cursory review that resulted in only a few DACA applicants ever being fully vetted.


    The results of such a low bar speak for themselves. In May, Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) arrested three DACA immigrants in a nationwide sweep of gangs, and announced that approximately 1,500 DACA recipients had their deferred status terminated due to “criminality or gang affiliation concerns.”


    By August, that number had reached 2,139.


    It is clear that DACA, as a policy, has been a failure. It has served both the citizen and immigration populations poorly, failing to address the individual humanitarian cases for individual applicants, and subjecting U.S. citizens to additional burdens and criminal activity.


    As Steve Camarota of the Center for Immigration Studies put it recently, DACA “is a blunt instrument that protects some who can be described as sympathetic youth as well as a less sympathetic group who are more akin to ordinary illegal immigrants.”


    President Trump in 2016 ran on the idea that DACA was a lawless and insufficient remedy to a deep and fundamental problem. Congressional Republicans did the same. A collective amnesia on the part of Republicans will not only hurt them in the 2018 midterms and it will damage the party’s remaining credibility for decades, if not generations.


    That the American immigration system is in need of reform is without question. That amnesty in any form will accomplish this is a false and misleading premise.


    As Republicans plan their 2018 agenda, three things need to be on their minds: the promises they made, the policies they committed to, and the consequences that await them if they choose an alternative path.




    https://amgreatness.com/2018/01/07/d...e-and-for-all/



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    Yes, just end it. Simple as pie. Just say "no". We have serious matters to attend to and worrying about the "status" of people who aren't even supposed to be in our country except to deport them is a huge waste of time, jobs, educations, welfare and domestic tranquility.

    Just grow up, be men, and get them out of here along with their illegal parents and minor children, regardless of where they were born, and stop worrying the American People with the result of your own government failures. We pay you to prevent this travesty in the first place, then we have to ride herd on you every single minute of every single day to demand you do your jobs. No business would put up with this, no 501 C 3 "charity" would put up with this, no "church" would put up with this. Now stop being disgusting lazy hypocrites and get these people out of our country.

    Their situation is not our problem, because they are not our responsibility. Now get them out of here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgiaPeach View Post

    As Republicans plan their 2018 agenda,
    three things need to be on their minds: the promises they made, the policies they committed to, and the consequences that await them if they choose an alternative path.


    Yup!
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    They proposed the deal last spring along with Mark Krikorian at CIS. They met with the White House and proposed this eternally DUMB DACA DEAL.
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    Surely those who contribute to NumbersUSA and FAIR feel betrayed. Mark Krikorian has done great damage. He admits he is not sure how things would work out.
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    There's been a lot of treachery. But I still believe in the Republicans of the US House of Representatives and this President. The President has stacked the deck, hasn't moved an inch in 4 months from his 70 point list from October 8, and has even added 2 big items to it, a set-aside of $18 billion for wall construction and a Visa exit tracking system which means he may add more to it as time goes along.

    There are also a lot of Republican Senators I still believe in and they're in charge of Committees that can kill a bill in Committee and/or kill a cloture vote. We don't have enough votes in the Senate to pass a bill we want, but we have enough votes to kill one we don't want. Say you have 10 Republicans who vote with Democrats on cloture of a DACA DEAL, that's not enough to pass a cloture vote. They'll be 1 short if everyone votes. McCain would be one of the 10 possibles for amnesty, and he might not vote.

    So, it's going to be a very long, complicated and very expensive bill, and frankly, I think the energy level will dwindle. Voters don't care, Republicans don't want it, President doesn't want it, no one wants it. The immigration "hawks" have now been fully exposed for their bizarre behavior creating contribution as well as credibility issues for them.

    We also have the budget coming up, an immediate priority, a potential war with North Korea, other important matters, health care bill, infrastructure bill, permanent tax cut bill, and mid-term elections, so I personally just don't see any serious interest in wasting time or money on these DACAs with so much pressing American business on our plates.

    These DACAs are in a situation that is not our problem, because they are not our responsibility. They and their parents along with all their minor children regardless of where they were born, need to be deported and removed. That is the law, long-standing, just and necessary law needed to protect our citizens, workers and taxpayers. So, why are we even talking about people who aren't even supposed to be in our country??!!

    Government needs to just do its job and deport them.

    Very simple.
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    Judy wrote (excerpt):

    There's been a lot of treachery. But I still believe in the Republicans of the US House of Representatives and this President. The President has stacked the deck, hasn't moved an inch in 4 months from his 70 point list from October 8, and has even added 2 big items to it, a set-aside of $18 billion for wall construction and a Visa exit tracking system which means he may add more to it as time goes along.
    This 70 point list you keep preaching about doesn't mean squat where a DACA amnesty deal is concerned. Those 70 things are basically a wish list and are not being used as a requirement for a DACA deal. From what we keep hearing in the media and from Trump the must have items for a DACA deal keep fluctuating. In the end who really knows what we're going to end up with if anything. It is the number of people that do want it that is the concern.

    Voters don't care, Republicans don't want it, President doesn't want it, no one wants it.
    Not true. Unfortunately some voters do care and want it, many key Republicans in congress want it, and the President certainly wants it and has publicly said as much. To say otherwise is just disingenuous hyperbole. If things were as you said, we would have no worries. Honestly, I for one am plenty worried!
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    The list doesn't change. Trump doesn't stand there reading it to the press every time he's asked a question. It's 7 pages long. And it wouldn't matter, they wouldn't report on it accurately anyway. They all have copies of it, they all know what his position is and I don't think it's changing at all.

    This meeting wasn't to decide DACA, it was to get it off the decks until March so he can get a budget passed next week.

    Watch him work. It will be very interesting experience. It was cute how he let the press in for 45 minutes so everyone could "perform" as a bipartisan team.
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