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    Green Party Candidate Jill Stein to File for Vote Recount in 3 Battleground States

    Green Party Candidate Jill Stein to File for Vote Recount in 3 Battleground States


    • By VERONICA STRACQUALURSI

    Nov 24, 2016, 11:30 AM ET


    The campaign for Green Party candidate Jill Stein announced Wednesday that it's gunning for a recount in three battleground states -- Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania -- to address concerns about the election before it is certified.

    Stein and her running mate, Ajamu Baraka, initially said they hoped to raise over $2.5 million -- the money needed to fund recounts in the three states -- by Friday, the deadline to file in Wisconsin.


    And by early Thursday, that initial goal was met: According to the campaign website, more than $2.6 million had been raised, with the goal now listed as $4.5 million.


    Stein told CNN on Thursday she "absolutely" intends to file for a recount in Wisconsin.


    "What I think all Americans can agree on, and what I consider worthy of working for right now, is creating a voting system that we can trust. There are glaring red flags right now about this voting system," said Stein, who points to unsubstantiated claims that electronic voting machines might have been hacked or manipulated.


    On Tuesday, New York Magazine reported that a group of computers scientists and election lawyers urged the Clinton campaign to challenge the election results in the three states Stein is now hoping to challenge, though they found no evidence or proof of tampering or hacking.


    "What we are saying is not that hacking or fraud has necessarily taken place. I don't think we have evidence of that. But I think it's only natural and it's good for Americans to be reassured that our votes are counted, especially after such a divisive and bitter election," Stein said on Thursday.


    Stein also commented on how quickly her campaign has raised money: "The fact it has basically funded itself overnight reflects the incredible hunger out there among the American people to actually start doing something positive and to start creating an election system that we can believe in."


    An updated statement on the website reads, "First recount funded. Two more to go! Congratulations on meeting the recount costs for Wisconsin. Raising money to pay for the first round so quickly is a miraculous feat and a tribute to the power of grassroots organizing.

    Now that we have nearly completed funding Wisconsin's recount (which is due on Friday), we can begin to tackle the funding for Michigan's recount (due Monday) and Pennsylvania's recount (due Wednesday)."


    Stein received 1 percent of the votes in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania. Trump won Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. Trump leads in Michigan by about 10,000 votes and the state certifies the results on Nov. 28. Stein won 1 percent of the national vote, a little over 1 million votes, for president.


    However, the campaign said the purpose of filing for a recount is “more than the results of this one election,” and that it’s more so about “protecting our democracy and ensuring” voters can have “confidence in reported results.”

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    I smell George Sorro's money.
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    Incredible! I doubt this would be happening if Clinton won.
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    Green Party: U.S. election recount would test vote integrity


    By Susan Heavey
    Reuters November 25, 2016
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    Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein speaks at a campaign rally in Chicago, Illinois, U.S. September 8, 2016. REUTERS/Jim Young More

    By Susan Heavey


    WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein said on Friday her push for election recounts in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania was aimed at assessing the integrity of the U.S. voting system, not at undermining Donald Trump's White House victory.


    While Stein's effort this week may have spurred hope among disappointed supporters of Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton, the chances of such recounts - if they take place - overturning the overall result from the Nov. 8 election are extremely slim, given Trump's margins of victory in the three states.


    The Green Party said that despite the millions it has raised to fund the recounts it cannot guarantee any recounts would occur and that if its requests are denied or there are surplus funds it will use the money to push for voting system reforms.


    Stein, who won just one percent of the national vote herself, told CNN that while there was no evidence of tampering or other voting errors in the election, only a full review in those states would give Americans confidence in the results.


    "This was a hack-riddled election," she said, pointing to hacks before the vote of political organizations and individual email accounts, as well as recent media reports citing concerns by computer security experts.


    The deadlines to request recounts are Friday for Wisconsin, Monday for Pennsylvania and Wednesday for Michigan. Stein has raised more than $5 million since launching the recount campaign on Wednesday. The Green Party said it wants to raise $7 million for the recounts, including the cost of legal fees.


    Representatives of the Green Party in Wisconsin told reporters in Milwaukee they would file for a recount with the state later on Friday. Wisconsin's Elections Commission could not be immediately reached for comment.


    Although Trump won narrowly in the three states, the margins make it highly unlikely that any recounts would end up giving Clinton a win in all three states, which would be needed for the overall presidential election result to change. The Republican beat Clinton in Pennsylvania by 70,010 votes, in Michigan by 10,704 votes and in Wisconsin by 27,257 votes.


    The presidential race is decided by the Electoral College, or a tally of wins from the state-by-state contests, rather than by the popular national vote. The Electoral College results are expected to be finalized when electors meet on Dec. 19.


    Trump surpassed the 270 electoral votes needed to win, although once the final tallies of votes are in, Clinton will have won the national popular vote by more than 2 million votes.


    Asked if she was trying to upset Trump, Stein told CNN "Absolutely not," adding that she also did not back Clinton.


    A representative for Trump's transition team on Thursday had no comment on Stein's effort. In a Twitter post on Thursday, senior Trump adviser Kellyanne Conway cited a New York Times article and mocked Clinton supporters who "can't accept the election results."


    Clinton has not commented on Stein's effort, and a representative for her did not reply to a request for comment.

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    Someone should demand a recount of California, New York, Nevada, Oregon, Washington and Minnesota.

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    Hmmmm....perhaps Jill will buy a second home next door to Bernie's new second home?
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    Green Party’s Jill Stein Raises Millions for Recount, Source of Money Murky

    by WARNER TODD HUSTON
    25 Nov 2016

    Prior to the Thanksgiving Day holiday, failed Green Party candidate Jill Stein launched a fundraising effort to raise the millions needed to pay for a recount of election results in three of the key states that gave Donald Trump the White House, but the source of these millions of dollars is murky.

    Just before the noon deadline on November 25, Stein filed an official petition for a recount in Wisconsin, one of at least three key states that gave Donald Trump a surprise win on Election Day, NBC reported on Friday.

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    Stein posted the fundraising message to the Internet after news broke that Clinton campaign chief John Podesta was meeting with supposed election experts who felt there may be evidence that election systems were hacked in the states that gave Trump the victory.

    The forlorn wish that Hillary didn’t “really” lose gave hope to a growing list of bitter Hollywood celebrities desperate to find some ray of sunshine to cling to after the drubbing Hillary received in Electoral College votes on November 8.

    And as Hollywoodites reveled in the idea, Green Party nominee Jill Stein launched her fundraising effort to try to delegitimize Trump’s win and to raise the millions necessary to pay for recounts in at least three states: Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin.

    The leading proponent of the theory that there was something amiss in the election returns is J. Alex Halderman, director of the University of Michigan Center for Computer Security and Society, who insisted that “unprecedented cyberattacks” might have altered electronic election results.

    Even as he has no evidence at all that any hacking occurred, Halderman insists that “The only way to know whether a cyberattack changed the result is to closely examine the available physical evidence” by recounting paper ballots.

    Aside from the wishful thinking of Hollywood elites and other Hillary fans, Halderman seems to have few supporters in his claim that any hacking occurred. Tech site Cnet.com, for instance, told its readers there “there’s little chance the election was hacked.” And Phillip Bump of The Washington Post reported that there is little chance that anything untoward occurred in the election and that Stein was likely on a “wild goose hunt.”

    Finally, the left’s favorite numbers site, FiveThirtyEight.com, insisted that demographics, not hacking gave Trump the win.

    But there are other worries over Stein’s sudden raising of the millions of dollars needed to pay for recounts.

    Stein launched her effort to raise this money the day before Thanksgiving by asking supporters to help her raise up to $3 million to force a recount in Wisconsin, the state with the closest deadline to the date when she launched her fundraising effort. Shockingly in only a day Stein had raised that three million. And on a holiday at that.

    After her initial goal was met, Stein raised the stakes several times and even more millions rolled in. And all still over the Thanksgiving holiday. She is now claiming she needs seven million to fund recounts in all three states, an amount almost three times higher than her initial goal.

    Critics wonder where all this money is coming from. How do we know if this money didn’t come from foreign sources? Further, what reporting requirements will Stein be forced to satisfy to prove the source of the cash? And if much of this is foreign money, how does that square with claims by Green Party supporters and Democrats that foreign money and foreign hackers were influencing our election process? If these people are worried about foreign influence, isn’t it exactly the same if foreign money is fueling the recounts?

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    I don't have any problem with the recount in Wisconsin or even Michigan if they want to do it, because the margins are very close in both of those states. Pennsylvania has a much broader margin so it's very doubtful that even if there were errors in the counts in Pennsylvania that it would be enough to alter the outcome. It's even doubtful in Wisconsin because when they certified, they found some errors and that reduced the margin.

    What's really "troubling" to me to coin a "leftist" term they use about everything Trump, are the ridiculous margins of victory by Clinton in states like California, New York, Washington and Oregon, because the margins, win or lose, were so different than the other states. It's not reasonable to assume that Americans in California and New York support Clinton 2 to 1 when the rest of the country favored Clinton or Trump by much closer margins.

    When you see oddities such as this, it indicates non-citizen voting to me, because citizens of the US were fairly even in their views across the country. There's nothing about California or New York's legal citizen population that would vary by the extremes reported in the vote counts, EXCEPT that they have many more non-citizens than the rest of the country, issue them drivers licenses and public IDs and have numerous "sanctuary" cities within their states. I'm not saying there's any chance that Trump won these states, but I don't think he legally lost them by the margins reported by the vote counts, which means he may have actually won the popular vote. To believe otherwise is to believe in an absurdity like "California and New York citizens are fruit-cakes, Communists, support crime, illegal drugs, and amnesty." Californians passed a statewide Referendum to end illegal immigration in their state, didn't they? Yeah I think so, Proposition 187 or something like that. So I don't believe all of sudden they love illegal immigration and hate Trump because he wants to stop it. To believe that would be an absurdity. California recalled a Governor over it because he didn't push an appeal forward to the US Supreme Court when the 9th Circuit ruled against the Proposition, which was just to deny public education and health care services to illegal aliens.

    So I don't believe Trump lost California 2 to 1. Just don't and never will. Same with New York. New York where Donald Trump has done so much good, it makes no sense at all that Trump would lose his home state 2 to 1. Makes no sense at all.

    We'll see what happens, I doubt Trump will challenge them, but the GOP in both states should challenge non-citizen voting in these states where Trump lost 2 to 1 when the legal citizen make up doesn't warrant such a margin and due to the size of the non-citizen populations.
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    The Mysterious Case Of Jill Stein's Surging Recount Costs

    by Tyler Durden
    Nov 25, 2016 5:45 PM

    Just yesterday we noted that Jill Stein was acting on behalf of Hillary Clinton to raise money for recounts in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania. As we noted then, we continue to be astonished by the amount of money flowing into the fundraising campaign and would love to see which of Hillary's mega donors have spent the most on the effort...somehow we suspect this isn't just a "grassroots organizing" effort as Stein described it.

    So, in less than 1 day, Jill Stein raised over $3mm, which is more than the $2mm needed to force a recount in Wisconsin. While she attributed the accomplishment to "the power of grassroots organizing," we would tend to be a little more skeptical and would love to see exactly where those donations came from. Then again, maybe we're wrong and there really are just that many disaffected snowflakes out there willing to blow their money on an extreme long shot.

    But, today a new mystery has emerged in Stein's fundraising efforts. Apparently, the more money she raises the more expensive the recount effort becomes. Courtesy of the Wayback Machine we have the following snapshots from her fundraising page over the past couple of days:

    November 24, 2016 at 3:46AM - In the beginning, Stein figured she needed a total of $2.5mm to fund her recount efforts. That figure included $2.2mm for the actual filing fees and presumably another $0.3mm for legal fees and other costs.



    November 24, 2016 at 1:20PM - Then, just 12 hours later, after the cash just kept flowing in, Stein figured she needed at least another $2mm as her fundraising goal was raised to $4.5mm in total. Of course, the filing fees of $2.2mm didn't change but the "attorney's fees" apparently surged by about 300% and the total costs of the effort skyrocketed to $6-7mm.



    November 25, 2016 at 6:11AM - Now, just this morning as Stein approaches $5mm in total donations, her overall fundraising goal has surged once again and now stands at $7mm.



    So, with nearly $5mm raised so far, the question is no longer whether recounts will occur in WI, MI and PA but just how much Jill Stein will be able to drain from the pockets of disaffected Hillary supporters to fund her long-shot efforts.

    All that said, here is Jill Stein admitting to CNN that she has absolutely no evidence of election hacking....even though she asks that you please keep sending your money anyway.

    (video at source link)

    And another where she says she would have challenged the election result even if Hillary won...though somehow we suspect she wouldn't have been able to raise quite so much money under that scenario.

    (another video at source link)

    And finally we leave you with this latest epic rant from PJW on the whole situation:



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