Thread: How To Politely Educate The Ignorant?

I have been trying to explain the issues here to my sister in law. She has a large network of influential friends in her community. She keeps telling me in reply to my appeals that we all have far more to fear from the "Timothy McVays of the world" than from Mexicans. The only point I can garner agreement on from her is that the corporations are the ones behind wanting to make mass immigration not only possible but preferable to help increase their bottom lines.
How do we get through to seemingly intelligent people who simply don't have the information (or judgment) required to see what is going on?

Just give her some info on the MS-13 or SUR-13 gangs! These gangs are willing to do anything for money, even commit terrorist acts. Have her watch this video:
http://www.alipac.us/ftopict-27928.html

http://www.krgv.com/Video/News/7508

Try asking her who is paying for all of the services these illegals are using.
The open borders types never seem to answer this question. And if they say that illegals pay taxes, then ask: If a husband and wife are working and making $9.00 an hour each and have two kids in school, explain how they are paying enough in taxes to educate their children at a minimum of $8,000 per child per year. The open borders types never answer this question either.

The only other thing that you can do is get a few people together and try to pull their head out of that place where the sun doesn't shine.

The link did not work for me. Are you sure it is correct?

Originally Posted by rebellady1964

Just give her some info on the MS-13 or SUR-13 gangs! These gangs are willing to do anything for money, even commit terrorist acts. Have her watch this video:
http://www.alipac.us/ftopict-27928.html

http://www.krgv.com/Video/News/7508

I did pose to her the costs to taxpayers of their free healthcare, education, social services, support while in our prisons, the social security dollars sent out of country. That was when she said back to me that people like Tim McVay scared her more. (non-sequitor?)

Originally Posted by dataman

Try asking her who is paying for all of the services these illegals are using.
The open borders types never seem to answer this question. And if they say that illegals pay taxes, then ask: If a husband and wife are working and making $9.00 an hour each and have two kids in school, explain how they are paying enough in taxes to educate their children at a minimum of $8,000 per child per year. The open borders types never answer this question either.

The only other thing that you can do is get a few people together and try to pull their head out of that place where the sun doesn't shine.

Originally Posted by barkway

I have been trying to explain the issues here to my sister in law. She has a large network of influential friends in her community. She keeps telling me in reply to my appeals that we all have far more to fear from the "Timothy McVays of the world" than from Mexicans. The only point I can garner agreement on from her is that the corporations are the ones behind wanting to make mass immigration not only possible but preferable to help increase their bottom lines.
How do we get through to seemingly intelligent people who simply don't have the information (or judgment) required to see what is going on?

Some people need visuals to get the point across. Give her some staggering and sobering numbers to look at. Break it down for her.

Like the cost of education, health care, anchor babies, social services, the cost of housing them in our federal prisons. Tell her how they are going to be granted social securtiy. We as Americans are told there is no more social security, and for us to get a 401K plan, and yet they break the law and get the world handed to them for doing so.

I'm afraid my sister in law is either beyond educating or is choosing to remain blind. I tried my best to inform her, sent her everything we have gathered in support, and she replied with, "I'm more afraid of the Tim McVays than I am of Bin Laden." Of course, you have to understand this is a woman who is wrapped up in her kids' lives, their schedule, her social dates with her friends, and her "youthful appearance." Her world pretty much consists of hearth and home and she is not real informed about current events. I tried but it seems she really doesn't want to know (hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil.....)

How about the disease approach.

Do a Web search and get facts and stories about the many diseases threatening us and our KIDS due to illegals bypassing the medical screening legal immigrants go through.

Give her the horror stories of school kids contracting drug-resistant tuberculosis from an illegal's kid then having to undergo the $200,000 12-24 month treatment that doesn't always stop the infection... thus, a death sentence.

So many diseases that are spreading, infecting us.

Will there be a TB infected worker in the school cafeteria? How about the restaurant her family goes to?

Maybe sis's acceptance of ILLEGALS will make her accept that her kid contracts leprosy, or, perhaps, a parasite that feeds upon her little darling. The treatments for some of the parasites brought into the USA by illegal invaders can cause severe internal damage.

Tell her about the N. Carolina school kids who contracted TB from an alien's kid.

Here is one story I distribute though there are many more out there:

TB or Not to Be An illegal alien has a brush with death--and gets up to work again.

Several months ago, I had an unusual encounter with an illegal immigrant. He was only 25, from Guatemala, and had been in the U.S. for only three months. He'd been doing landscaping work until he was admitted to Greenwich Hospital in Connecticut, with an excruciating headache. The medical team discovered that he had active tuberculosis, so fulminant that it had even invaded his spinal fluid. Thus, the headache. Needless to say, tuberculosis meningitis is not the type of thing we're used to seeing in Greenwich, or anywhere in the U.S., for that matter. He ended up in Greenwich Hospital because the one in the town where he'd settled, the neighboring and much less well-to-do Port Chester, had shut down after going bankrupt. That hospital had cared for a large number of patients just like him: no insurance, no English, no papers. When a hospital serving such a demographic goes bankrupt, it leaves a needy population to seek free care elsewhere, passing on the same risk of financial distress to neighboring hospitals, like propagation of an infectious disease.

He'd been in the hospital for a month by the time my surgical services were called upon. He was staying in a private isolation room. His strain of TB was proving to be multi-drug-resistant, and the medical team just couldn't clear it. I was paged by an intern on a Sunday morning. The story: Over the course of 24 hours, the patient had developed a rapidly progressive weakness in his legs to the point where he couldn't even stand, and had lost bladder control. An MRI revealed a large mass that was compressing his spinal cord to an impossibly thin strand. The mass spanned an incredibly lengthy 10 vertebral segments, nearly from the base of his neck to the top of his low back. I'd never seen anything like it. Neither had the internist, the infectious disease specialist, the neurologist or the radiologist. We don't work in the Third World. I took the patient to the operating room and spent the rest of my Sunday in the hospital. I wasn't thrilled. I wore a special mask designed to hug the face tighter than most OR masks, but the thought crossed my mind that I was putting myself and the entire OR staff at risk. I made the longest incision I'd ever made in my surgical career, carefully opened 10 segments of spine, and worked away at the inflammatory mass that was plastered to his spinal cord. I called a pathologist in to examine the pieces of specimen I was removing. He heard the full story, refused to contaminate his equipment, and left.

It wasn't possible to get more than half the mass out without risking even more damage to his spinal cord, so I stopped, forcing myself to settle for the less-than-satisfying achievement of having at least decompressed the spinal cord by removing the bony elements from behind (unroofing the spinal canal to allow for more room). Would he ever walk again? Doubtful. In fact, I'd phoned another neurosurgeon while in the OR, just to talk through this case. He'd never encountered anything similar either, but convinced me that the patient wouldn't even live long.

The patient spent an additional six weeks in the hospital after surgery, not because of surgical concerns, but because the medical team still couldn't clear his infection. His sputum samples kept coming back positive. After 2 1/2 months on multiple antibiotics, he was finally clear to leave the hospital. He left in a wheelchair. I knew I'd never see him again. Why should our hospitals have to eat the cost of disease brought in by undocumented workers? I found out that his bill totaled $200,000. This excludes professional fees, meaning everything that would have been billed separately by the many physicians treating him over 10 weeks (including what I'd have charged for surgery). We all worked for him free. How many other diseases are being brought in by how many other undocumented and unexamined workers? Somehow, here, a social worker was able to track down the friends and relatives who came to the U.S. with this patient. They all tested positive for TB, and were all working behind the scenes in local restaurants.
I'm certainly in favor of figuring out a way to offer health insurance and proper medical care to all Americans (as long as whatever plan is enacted doesn't compromise the quality of care or the incentives for medical innovation). But I don't think we can justify the same for just anyone who wants to jump over the borders. And how do you handle the PR quandary when other patients in the hospital, there for elective gall-bladder or knee surgery, ask questions? I know what goes through their minds when they see the isolation rooms with ominous warning signs, as nurses get fully gowned, gloved and masked before cracking open the doors.

This is part of the reality of a community invaded by illegal aliens.

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Her kids go to a very expensive private school and they are practically bankrupting themselves to have them there....don't want to mix with the "riff-raff." I doubt she is too concerned about an illegal alien's kid infecting her children.