Thread: How we stand on Lou Dobbs

Originally Posted by bigtex

Nothing has changed. Lou Dobbs is still a traitor, he still wants a "pathway to citizenship." This is how America get is trouble. One day these so called "leaders" show their true colors and the next day we forgive them because they start lying again. That is exactly how McCain keeps getting elected. Nothing has changed with Dobbs. He still wants amnesty for all of these criminals.

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THAT is *certainly* the modus operandi of John McCain.

Lou did an incredible job. His life and the lives of his family were threatened. The near miss was a warning.

Our entire congress and senate are bought out by LaRaza. When a congressman, senator, governor, or news anchor stands up against the invasion - WHAT HAPPENS?

ANSWER: THEIR OWN GOVERNMENT ATTACKS THEM!

The word is that Lou Dobbs is considering running for office. Lou is just another flip-flopping wannabe politician who will say anything to get elected. He was staunchly opposed to any kind of amnesty for years, then suddenly changed his mind. He went on an Hispanic tv show and all but kissed the opposition's feet. And for the record, O'Reilly believes we should give a legal path to the illegal aliens in this country, too, and that we need to deal with these invaders in a humane way, like give them a pass for breaking the law. In my opinion, we don't owe these lawbreakers anything, and we are certainly not obligated to negotiate with them as to whether they should leave OUR country or not.

Originally Posted by tinybobidaho

The word is that Lou Dobbs is considering running for office. Lou is just another flip-flopping wannabe politician who will say anything to get elected. He was staunchly opposed to any kind of amnesty for years, then suddenly changed his mind. He went on an Hispanic tv show and all but kissed the opposition's feet. And for the record, O'Reilly believes we should give a legal path to the illegal aliens in this country, too, and that we need to deal with these invaders in a humane way, like give them a pass for breaking the law. In my opinion, we don't owe these lawbreakers anything, and we are certainly not obligated to negotiate with them as to whether they should leave OUR country or not.

Go figure. Now Dobbs wants to be a politician. How fitting. Just what this country doesn't need is another lying traitor politician. He did do what I figured and managed to get in with the rest of the traitors at Fox news. He is in good company with O'Reilly, Hannity, Rivera, Beck, Van Susteren and all of Rupert Murdoch's Republican puppets. All of them nodding their heads and saying the same thing, we want border security first and then a pathway to citizenship.

Dobbs showed what a back stabbing politician he is when he humiliated himself in front of Telemundo's Maria Celeste. Do we all need to be reminded again?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQxbzQpEWRg

Originally Posted by GR

I do believe I heard some vague references by Lou to allowing a form of what I think is amnesty, but he referred to it as giving a path to citizenship (I believe it was something like that, but honestly it's been awhile), but then I can't even remember anything except that this was "after" he had already left CNN, and I believe it was on one of his appearances on Fox - probably with Bill O'Reilly.

A pathway to citizenship, this is the same thing Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, George Bush, John McCain, Palin and Barak Obama want. This means criminals who think they don't have to follow this country's immigration laws are rewarded by allowing them to be citizen's of this great country. Why don't we just reward drug dealers, child molesters and tax cheats?

The bottom line for all of these amnesty salesmen is America already has a pathway to citizenship. These illegal criminals chose not to follow it. If they want to be citizens so badly then go the hell back home, and come here legally. No one is stopping them from leaving that's for sure.

How we stand on Lou Dobbs

Stand on Lou Dobbs. Now that's funny.

It does remind me of a Glenn Beck show I just saw where he had a blackboard showing about eight different steps a political movement like this one goes through. I didn't catch it all but about step five was one where everyone thinks they are not getting anywhere and start fighting among themselves.

Maybe standing on Lou is part of the process. Hee Hee.

I think he has done a lot more good for regaining control of our country in regards to illegal immigration than bad.

Besides. I suppose we are going to have to love each other a little. We have become family that way I would hope.


Which brings me to a recent totally unrelated thought. If the illegal aliens suddenly had a change of view on where they wanted to be and enough of them made it back to their respective countries... What I mean is if they did the scattering roach thing, that is a beauty to behold, and say a million of them made it and found about five million of us were right on their heals behind them, how would they feel about illegal immigration then.

Seriously!

Then I get not so seriously and wonder how they would feel if we then paraded up and down their streets demanding stuff but then that would be a real stretch.

Or would it?

From what I read above Old Lou has gone the Meg Whitman route. For those of you not from California,"Nutmeg" is the GOP candidate for Governor. She sounded great on the immigration issue during the primary but now that she is facing former Gov. Jerry Brown, she has done the Fliip Flop of the Century even advertising in Spanish on billboards and Spanish-speaking radio stations.

There are so few left anymore who are true to their word. Jeff Sessions and Tom Tancredo come immediately to mind but politicians like them are few and far between.

Originally Posted by tinybobidaho

The word is that Lou Dobbs is considering running for office. Lou is just another flip-flopping wannabe politician who will say anything to get elected. He was staunchly opposed to any kind of amnesty for years, then suddenly changed his mind. He went on an Hispanic tv show and all but kissed the opposition's feet. And for the record, O'Reilly believes we should give a legal path to the illegal aliens in this country, too, and that we need to deal with these invaders in a humane way, like give them a pass for breaking the law. In my opinion, we don't owe these lawbreakers anything, and we are certainly not obligated to negotiate with them as to whether they should leave OUR country or not.

either he's a dem plant, or his family had a credible threat made against. im thinking he got put in a hard spot. he is gonna need to back that crocidile mouth up. bast@rds will kill people, and im thinking he was told stfu. i heard him, so did the rest of the world.

Originally Posted by StokeyBob

It does remind me of a Glenn Beck show I just saw where he had a blackboard showing about eight different steps a political movement like this one goes through. I didn't catch it all but about step five was one where everyone thinks they are not getting anywhere and start fighting among themselves.

Maybe standing on Lou is part of the process. Hee Hee.

We are not fighting among ourselves because Lou Dobbs never was on our side. The goal here is control the borders and NO AMNESTY. You are either with us or against us. There is no giving in here. If Lou Dobbs, Glenn Beck, O'Reilly and all the rest of the Republican Party stooges want to sellout then they are the enemy. Just like George Bush and McCain were the enemy. They both wanted amnesty too and I don't think most of us have forgotten.

The problem with this government is we keep putting politicians in office that campaign on one platform but once they are in office they sell out to the highest bidder and turn their back on their constituents that voted them in office. This is what we are FED UP with. Lou Dobbs, and all the Fox cronies, McCain, Palin and all the rest never were on our side. They just pretended to be on our side to get the power they wanted. We have always be at odds with them because they ALL want amnesty.

I Googled up a little more information on the the 8 Stages of Social Movement Success thing I mentioned in an earlier post.

It's kind of interesting.

http://paceebene.org/nonviolent-chan...cial-movements

Here is the Glenn Beck video's on the topic. The forth one he has the board out talking about where he thinks we're at.

http://keyboardmilitia.com/2010/07/2...ement-success/

I think that Lou's words were missunderstood. But this is the Lou I fell in love with:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYov5eVN ... re=related

Originally Posted by stymie222

To tell you the truth, I have lost all respect for this entire Government.

How can the people of this nation still believe that we live in a democratic republic ? .

Democratic Republic is an oxymoron. We are in a democratic socalistic state of further socalistic dictator take over now.

Democracy Versus Republic

These succinct definitions of what is Democracy and what is a Republic was produced by the US Army in 1928, These definitions have been quietly withdrawn since, soon after.

Democracy:
A government of the masses.

Authority derived through mass meeting or any other form of "direct" expression.

Results in mobocracy.

Attitude toward property is comunistic-negating property rights.

Attitude toward law is that the will of the majority shall regulate. whether it be based upon deliberation or governed by passion, prejudice, and impulse, without restraint or regard to consequences.

Results in demagogism license, agitation, discontent, anarchy.

Democracy is the "direct" rule of the people and has been repeatedly tried without success.

A certain Professor Alexander Fraser Tytler, nearly two centuries ago, had this to say about Democracy: " A Democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of Government. It can only exist until the voters discover they can vote themselves largess out of public treasury. From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that Democracy always collapses over a loose fiscal policy, always to be followed by a Dictatorship."

A democracy is majority rule and is destructive of liberty because there is no law to prevent the majority from trampling on individual rights. Whatever the majority says goes! A lynch mob is an example of pure democracy in action. There is only one dissenting vote, and that is cast by the person at the end of the rope.

Republic:

Authority is derived through the election by the people of public officials best fitted to represent them.

Attitude toward property is respect for laws and individual rights, and a sensible economic procedure.

Attitude toward law is the administration of justice in accord with fixed principles and established evidence, with a strict regard to consequences.

A greater number of citizens and extent of territory may be brought within its compass.

Avoids the dangerous extreme of either tyranny or mobocracy. Results in statesmanship, liberty, reason, justice, contentment, and progress.

Is the "standard form" of government throughout the world.

A republic is a form of government under a constitution which provides for the election of:

an executive and

a legislative body, who working together in a representative capacity, have all the power of appointment, all power of legislation all power to raise revenue and appropriate expenditures, and are required to create

a judiciary to pass upon the justice and legality of their governmental acts and to recognize

certain inherent individual rights.

Take away any one or more of those four elements and you are drifting into autocracy. Add one or more to those four elements and you are drifting into democracy.

Our Constitutional fathers, familiar with the strength and weakness of both autocracy and democracy, with fixed principles definitely in mind, defined a representative republican form of government. They "made a very marked distinction between a republic and a democracy and said repeatedly and emphatically that they had founded a republic."

A republic is a government of law under a Constitution. The Constitution holds the government in check and prevents the majority (acting through their government) from violating the rights of the individual. Under this system of government a lynch mob is illegal. The suspected criminal cannot be denied his right to a fair trial even if a majority of the citizenry demands otherwise.


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Difference between Democracy and Republic, in brief:

Democracy:
a: government by the people; especially : rule of the majority.

b: a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections.

Attitude toward law is that the will of the majority shall regulate, whether it be based upon deliberation or governed by passion, prejudice, and impulse, without restraint or regard to consequences
Republic
a: a government having a chief of state who is not a monarch and who in modern times is usually a president : a political unit (as a nation) having such a form of government.

b: a government in which supreme power resides in a body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by elected officers and representatives responsible to them and governing according to law.




Democracy and Republic are often taken as one of the same thing, but there is a fundamental difference. Whilst in both cases the government is elected by the people, in Democracy the majority rules according to their whims, whilst in the Republic the Government rule according to law. This law is framed in the Constitution to limit the power of Government and ensuring some rights and protection to Minorities and individuals.



The difference between Republic and Righteous Republic is that in the Republic the Government rules according to the law set up by men, in the Righteous Republic the law is the Law of God. Only in the Righteous Republic it can truly be said "One nation under God" for it is governed under commandments of the only One True God and there is no pluralism of religions.


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Autocracy declares the divine right of kings; its authority can not be questioned; its powers are arbitrarily or unjustly administered.

Mobocracy: 1. Political control by a mob. 2. The mass of common people as the source of political control.

http://www.albatrus.org/english/goverme ... ubblic.htm