Thread: Impeachment and MoveOn.Org

Originally Posted by JuniusJnr

I really like them, but in reality they have "no chance"

And that is what is REALLY wrong with this country today, the way I see it. That is how the same scoundrels keep getting into office.

http://voidnow.org

I waited many, many years as an unaffiliated for change. It didn't come. I choose to work towards change hopefully, within my lifetime. If I wait any longer on some mythical perfect party to come to power, It will be over for the country. We need change "NOW", not 5, 10 or 15 years down the road. And years is how long it may take for a viable third party.

I waited many, many years as an unaffiliated for change. It didn't come. I choose to work towards change hopefully, within my lifetime. If I wait any longer on some mythical perfect party to come to power, It will be over for the country. We need change "NOW", not 5, 10 or 15 years down the road. And years is how long it may take for a viable third party.

I understand you COMPLETELY, but have you ever read their platform? The core of the word 'change' is hang, and that's what figuratively needs to happen to Demagogues and Reactionaries alike come November 7th.

You're absolutely right when you say we need change now, but the only change we really need is for Americans to vote for the persons and parties that MOST CLOSELY reflect their values. There is no time left for equivocation.

When Socialists and Fascists are the 2 major players, what's an American to do?

Originally Posted by PinestrawGuys

Work for the Constitution Party. I may down the road do the same if I feel they have a chance. We'll see how it goes.

If you agree with their platform how can you not support them NOW?!? We the People need to start voting our consciences! I'm TIRED of holding my nose in the polling booth and picking the 'lesser of 2 evils', aren't you?

Their are not enough folks out there that will go with the Constitution Party because, they endorse the influence of the Christian Philosophy in the founding of our nation.

Something I really like, and which is so very true. But the Left would use that against them since it's in there party platform. As you may know, Christianity is now seen as evil because they dare to have decrement, and believe there is good and evil, right and wrong.

I hate to tell you, but you will always have to hold your nose, no matter who it is, or what party, because you will never find the mythical perfect party, or perfect candidate.

And as I've said, I'm to old to be spinning my wheels working for a hopeless cause. And there are still "some" good Republican candidates that I would like to support.

Elections are to close at hand to be going off on wild goose chases. The Constitution Party would need tons and tons of money to get their message out.

Ross Perot was a millionaire and that's how he became a viable third party candidate. He used his own money.

The CP does not, at this time have the funds to make a good run.

I've already petitioned the judiciary committee for articles of impeachment for El Presidente Jorge Bush.

I think Congress should be aware they are being replaced by the "undocumented" political party that will do the job Congress won't do!

my apologizies, I can't even spell

Originally Posted by JuniusJnr

I really like them, but in reality they have "no chance"

And that is what is REALLY wrong with this country today, the way I see it. That is how the same scoundrels keep getting into office.

http://voidnow.org

I agree. No new party can ever become the winning team if we only support the teams who have always won. Everyone has to get behind them to make them a winner. From what I have read independant party has just as good of a chance of winning 2008 as democrates do. Thats says alot about what "could" be done in the next two years in raising a new party to the fore front.

I refuse to support either democrate or republican now.

Originally Posted by Jezzabell

I agree. No new party can ever become the winning team if we only support the teams who have always won. Everyone has to get behind them to make them a winner. From what I have read independant party has just as good of a chance of winning 2008 as democrates do. Thats says alot about what "could" be done in the next two years in raising a new party to the fore front.

I refuse to support either democrate or republican now.

we need to start replacing the republicans and democrats on the local level, then the state -- when we have control of the state we can then go after Congress

I can't type all the sites in but type George Soros illegal immigration in a search and you won't be to thrilled.
I would be very careful in any dealings with MoveOn.org which George Soros is a 5 million dollar plus donator.

MoveOn.org want Bush out for totally diffrent reasons, not illegal immigration....

BIG CORPORATIONS AND THE FAR-LEFT HAVE ONE THING IN COMMON: both like to employ cheap illegal immigrants to do their heavy lifting.

The leftist media have tried to portray this weekend’s massive protests against House measures to curtail illegal immigration as the uprising of “The Other America”: forgotten, humble, hidden Hispanic members of the working poor simply demanding their “rights.” As events spanned from California to Detroit, Phoenix to Washington, D.C., the media kept up its anti-enforcement drumbeat. Although some have credited Latino DJs for the 500,000-strong illegal immigrant turnout in Los Angeles alone – and some credit is deserved – the real legwork was done by a more eclectic group of organizations: leftist labor unions, George Soros-funded agitators, Open Borders lobbyists, Roman Catholic clergy, and teachers unions.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Re ... p?ID=21841

Soros pumps millions into global change
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsbu ... 51107.html

Billionaire financier George Soros, who has helped trigger financial turmoil and political upheaval overseas, is coming to Pittsburgh this weekend to discuss the impact of his Open Society Institute.

Soros will address the 57th annual Council on Foundations conference, which opens Sunday. The council is a trade association for more than 2,000 philanthropic programs worldwide.

According to an event program, Soros is scheduled to speak on "the innovative ways that the Open Society Institute is changing lives across the globe." Soros "will share how creative grantmaking and partnerships can effect change that is far-reaching and sustaining," the program states.





According to its Internet site, the institute aims to shape public policy to promote democratic governance, human rights and economic, legal and social reform. It oversees a network of nearly 30 national foundations, most in Eastern Europe.

The institute was founded in 1994 by Soros, 75, the controversial liberal activist who two years ago donated $24 million to various political groups in a failed attempt to derail President Bush's re-election.

In addition to Progressive Insurance Chairman Peter B. Lewis and Hyatt hotel heiress Linda Pritzker, Soros is one of the main contributors to MoveOn.org -- a political organization once described by The Washington Post as having "a vigorously liberal agenda."

MoveOn spent millions unsuccessfully trying to get Democratic Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts -- the husband of Fox Chapel ketchup heiress Teresa Heinz -- elected president in 2004.

Since then, the group has paid for TV commercials denouncing the war in Iraq and has provided assistance to radical anti-war activist and Bush-basher Cindy Sheehan.

Soros also dabbles in Pennsylvania politics. He has donated $4,200 so far to the campaign of Democratic Senate candidate Robert Casey Jr., the state treasurer who is challenging Republican incumbent Rick Santorum of Penn Hills.

'Dangerous, crazy man'

Soros and his tactics have attracted detractors, among them syndicated radio talk-show host Michael Savage.

In 2004, Savage labeled Soros a "snake" and "a dangerous, crazy man." He called MoveOn.org "an organization of communists."

The Open Society Institute's attempts to change lives is well-documented.

Several years ago, the organization played a pivotal role in toppling the Georgian government in the former Soviet Union.

In 2003, the Globe and Mail of Toronto reported that institute funds were used to help finance the resistance movement, whose street protests prompted the resignation of Georgia's President Eduard Shevardnadze. Soros had a close relationship with Mikhail Saakashvili -- the man elected to succeed Shevardnadze.


In 2002, as he helped engineer Shevardnadze's downfall, Soros presented Saakashvili his foundation's Open Society Award. Soros publicly denied engineering the downfall of the Shevardnadze administration, which became known as the "Rose Revolution."

"Everything in Georgia was done by its people, not by me," Soros told European reporters in 2004. "I had nothing to do with it."


Soros, though, wasn't taken at his word in Ukraine.

During a 2004 visit there, Soros was splattered with mayonnaise and water by two members of the Ukrainian nationalist group Bratsvo. They accused Soros of trying to launch a governmental purge similar to what had occurred in Georgia. Later that year, Soros-backed candidate, Viktor A. Yushchenko, defeated Ukrainia's Prime Minister Viktor Yankovich to capture the presidency in what is commonly known as the "Orange Revolution."

The tumult in Georgia and Ukraine prompted Uzbekistan in 2004 to deny the Soros institute registration to operate in that nation.

"After Ukraine and Georgia, we have certain concerns about the activities of these Western democratic promotion organizations," Igor Sattarov, the foreign ministry's information chief, told The Associated Press.

Critics of Soros believe his organization played a role in organizing last year's "Tulip Revolution," which deposed the Kyrgyzstan government after widespread street protests.

Soros organizations attempting to exert influence in foreign nations hardly is a new occurrence.


In 1997, Peter Byrne, who directed Soros foundation efforts in Belarus, was expelled from that country. Belarus authorities said Byrne was involved in activities that "exceeded the permissible boundaries of a foreign national's conduct," First Deputy Foreign Minister Syarhey Martynaw told the country's news agency.

Martynaw said Byrne had become involved in the nation's internal politics, which ran counter to the Soros foundation's statute of being a nonpolitical organization.

In Great Britain, Soros is considered the primary villain behind the Sept. 16, 1992, "Black Wednesday" -- a day when Soros and other currency speculators forced the British government to withdraw the pound from the European exchange-rate mechanism. The move cost the Bank of England more than 3 billion pounds. Soros pocketed more than $1 billion from the action.

'Man of action'

Differing theories exist as to why Soros attempts to exert such influence on the international stage.

In 2003, Boston Globe columnist Alex Beam theorized that Soros had contracted "Pete Peterson disease."

"Former Secretary of Commerce Peterson, like Soros, was an adept manager and wheeler-dealer who started making windy pronouncements about the fate of the world in order to be taken as a statesman," Bream wrote. "If Soros confined himself to scribbling his little-noted books, e.g. 'George Soros on Globalization,' that would be one thing. But he is a man of action as well."

In a 2002 piece in Covert Action Quarterly, a publication of the New York-based Institute for Media Analysis, writer and political activist Heather Cottin labeled Soros an "imperial wizard." Soros' role, Cottin wrote, "is to tighten the identical stranglehold of globalization and the New World Order while promoting his own financial gain."

For such a self-professed proponent of openness and transparency, Soros has donated millions to an organization that shrouds its finances in secrecy.

His Open Society Institute has given more than $13 million to the San Francisco-based Tides Foundation, which has funneled millions to liberal and radical causes. The Tides Foundation has been criticized for allowing other philanthropic groups to obscure their donations.

As described by the Center for Consumer Freedom's activistcash.com Web site: "In practice, Tides behaves less like a philanthropy than a money-laundering enterprise, taking money from other foundations and spending it as the donor requires.

"Called donor-based giving, this pass-through funding vehicle provides public relations insulation for the money's original donors. By using Tides to funnel its capital, a large public charity can indirectly fund a project to which it would prefer not be directly identified in public."

The Tides Center also received $8.1 million from 1994 through 2004 from the Heinz Endowments.

Teresa Heinz, who chairs the Howard Heinz Endowment and sits on the Vira Heinz Endowment board, also is scheduled to speak at the Council on Foundations conference here. Others expected to address the conference are former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich; and Richard Florida, the author, economist and former Carnegie Mellon University professor.

I refuse to support either democrate or republican now.

I hear that over and over.

Great! Then the bad ones that are in office now will win, whether Democrat or Republican. As of right now, the few that will vote for a third party are not enough to win an election.

I've even heard folks on this board say their not even going to vote for incumbents in office that are at the local level, even though they are fighting to stop illegal Immigration. Cut your nose off dispite your face, why don't you? That's really smart! Like getting every incumbent out of office will put the right sort of people in office. Be careful what you wish for, your libal to get it, and it wont' be as good.

The good ones that are on the right side of the issue should be supported, and reelected.

You know how it goes, if you find an incumbent that is for amnesty and illegal immigration, then vote against them, whatever party.

But if they are helping you, then don't cut your nose off dispite your face, and vote them out to. That's crazy!

But do what you want, as far as a third party goes. It won't change anything if they can't get funding to get their message out.

People are suspicious of new up start parties. That's why it will take a long time to become a viable party. And money is what it takes to get the message out.

Soros had a heavy hitter to contend with ... the Swift Boat Veterans made a big impact during that election

we need to start replacing the republicans and democrats on the local level, then the state -- when we have control of the state we can then go after Congress

That's what I'm working on, and fighting for right now. Getting good Conservatives in office. Every old hand in politics that I have talked to has said over and over "All politics is local" which means those are the races and candidates that you can "personally" know and influence. The "only" races that you can personally talk to, and have some impact on the candidate and his positions on issues.

But as I said, any third party candidate that runs, people will be suspicious of, and you'll have an uphill battle. As before you'll need lots of money to advertise. But go for it, and see what happens. I believe you'll be on the sidelines once again. Just my opinion.

Just because some candidates running happen to be Republican does not mean they will not be on the right side of the illegal issue.

I like to put them on the spot as often as I can. Make them answer the hard questions. Preferable in plubic settings, so it will be reported and everyone can see the stand the person is taking on issues.

That means going to meetings and events being held by the candidate or organization.

If you can get good people in on the local and state level, then the state folks can go on to run for Congress.

And don't let the local candidates tell you that they can't do anything on a local level. Get your county commissoners to vote on a resolution or better yet an ordinance that makes anyone doing business with the county confirm that all employees are legal that work for that company. If uncompromised documents can't be submitted, then that company will not be getting any business from the county government. And emphasis that all documents "will" be checked for compliance.

Grass roots people, that's where it's at.