Thread: Neither Cruz nor Rubio are Natural Born citizens

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Every lawsuit has a lawyer who wins and a lawyer who loses.

So it would seem lawyers are wrong about 50% of the time.

Americans have been right for 227 years, with 1 exception, Barack Obama.

Presidential Candidates Whose Eligibility Was Questioned

Name Election Year Controversy Barry Goldwater 1964 Goldwater was born in Arizona in 1909, before it was an official state within the U.S. George Romney 1968 Romney was born in Mexico to parents who were U.S. citizens. Lowell Weicker 1980 Weicker was born in Paris, France, to American parents. John McCain 2008 McCain was born at the Coco Solo Naval Air Station in the Panama Canal Zone. Hisparents were American citizens. Ted Cruz 2016 Cruz was born in Canada. His mother is a United States citizen and his father is a Cuban immigrant

Sources: Washington Post | Staff Research.

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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2...llot/80586608/

What about our 21st President Chester Arthur?

He was never elected President. He became President through the assassination of Garfield, and did not run for re-election.

Originally Posted by MontereySherry

What about our 21st President Chester Arthur?

Birth and family[edit]

Chester Alan Arthur was born October 5, 1829, in Fairfield, Vermont.^[a][7] Arthur's mother, Malvina Stone, was born in Vermont, the daughter of George Washington Stone and Judith Stevens. Malvina's family was primarily of English descent, and her grandfather, Uriah Stone, fought in the Continental Army during the American Revolution.^[7]

His father, William Arthur, was born in Dreen, Cullybackey, County Antrim, in what is now Northern Ireland; he graduated from college in Belfast and emigrated to Canada in 1819 or 1820.

Arthur's mother met his father while William Arthur was teaching at a school in Dunham, Quebec, just over the border from her native Vermont.

The two married in Dunham on April 12, 1821, soon after meeting.^[7] After their first child, Regina, was born, the Arthurs moved to Vermont. They quickly moved from Burlington to Jericho, and finally to Waterville, as William received positions teaching at different schools.^[7]

William Arthur also spent a brief time working to join the legal profession. While still in Waterville, William departed from his legal studies, as well as his Presbyterian upbringing, to join the Free Will Baptists, spending the rest of his life as a minister in that sect.^[7]

William became an outspoken abolitionist, which often made him unpopular with members of his congregations and contributed to the family's frequent moves.^[8] In 1828, the family moved again, to Fairfield, where Chester Alan Arthur was born the following year; he was the fifth of nine children.^[9][10]

He was named "Chester" after Chester Abell, the physician and family friend who assisted in his birth, and "Alan" for his paternal grandfather.^[b]

The family remained in Fairfield until 1832, when William's profession took them on the road again, to several towns in Vermont and upstate New York. The family finally settled in the Schenectady, New York, area.^[11]

The family's frequent moves later spawned accusations that Chester Arthur was not a native-born citizen of the United States.

When Arthur was nominated for vice president in 1880, a New York attorney and political opponent, Arthur P. Hinman, initially speculated that Arthur was born in Ireland and did not come to the United States until he was fourteen years old.

Had that been true, opponents might have argued that Arthur was constitutionally ineligible for the vice presidency under the United States Constitution's natural-born-citizen clause.^[12][c][13]

When Hinman's original story did not take root, he spread a new rumor that Arthur was born in Canada. This claim, too, failed to gain credence.^[13]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chester_A._Arthur

The Natural Born Citizen clause in the Constitution. If the Tea Party is the party of the Constitution, can someone in the Tea Party tell me what is going on here. I'm in a discussion with a Republican in Florida and he tells me,

"

The Republican Party only holds a primary contest. It is not the arbiter or enforcer of who is or isn’t eligible to run for President or who is or isn’t a citizen. The party has no power, whatsoever, to deny a candidate a place on the ballot, based on their citizenship eligibility, until the courts rule. I’ll repeat it so that it is clear: the party has NO POWER to make such a determination."

I don't believe this whatsoever. Aren't all citizens responsible for the Constitution? Are not primaries run by the States in collusion with the political parties? I find it laughable that the Republican Party in its convention rules can not apply the Natural Born Citizen clause to its own nominating convention rules! Mitt Romney goes out and calls Trump unfit to be the Republican nominee, but the Republican Party can't make a determination, itself, about who is and who is not a Natural Born Citizen.
I find this all very unreal! Even after the Obama birther issue, the Republican Party never expended any effort in these intervening years to seek an answer to this question but seems to bury it! And then the Republican Party, along with the Tea Party, all claim to be conservative, cry about the Rule of Law--but none of them speak to the Natural Born Citizen Clause? What the Hell is going on?


And Many people tell me we have to wait for the Supreme Court to rule on what the Natural Born Citizen clause means. If that is the case then, the principle of waiting for the Supreme Court to decide on the natural born clause, THEN, We don't know what's in the Constitution and we must wait for the Supreme Court to tell us what it means and that the Supreme Court must rule on every word in the Constitution to tell us they all mean. I can't understand the what the word "militia" means in the 2nd amendment until the Supreme Court tells me.

I believe this guy is trying to pull the wool over my eyes. If Mitt Romney can tell us all that Trump is unfit, the Republican Party itself can obey the Natural Born Citizen Clause and use it as a standard. It doesn't need the Federal Government, or the Judiciary--it has the Constitution and it can use it by itself! Can it not?

www.archives.gov March 10, 2016

Frequently Asked Questions

. . .
Who verifies if a candidate is qualified to run for President?

The Office of the Federal Register at the National Archives and Records Administration administers the Electoral College process, which takes place after the November general election.

The Office of the Federal Register does not have the authority to handle issues related to the general election, such as candidate qualifications. People interested in this issue may wish to contact their state election officials or their Congressional Representatives.

Because the process of qualifying for the election and having a candidate’s name put on the ballot varies from state to state, you should contact your state’s top election officer for more information. In most states, the Secretary of State is the official responsible for oversight of state elections, including the presidential election. Visit the National Secretaries of State web site to locate contact information and web addresses for the Secretary of State from each state and the District of Columbia.

https://www.archives.gov/federal-reg...erifycandidate

Originally Posted by Clinias

. . . If Mitt Romney can tell us all that Trump is unfit, . . .

That is only HIS opinion. It means nothing else.