Thread: a question to all

Kneemow, I guess I'm considered white, as I really look it. My mother is Acadian (not the same as French-Canadian, this group were peasants and came earlier) and Micmac (native Candian/American tribe, who intemarried through the generations in Nova Scotia and New Brunswick. Then her one grandmother was a red-headed Irish.

Fathers side, French, Scottish, English, German. Mother is dark skinned and (used to be!!) dark haired, dark eyes. Father had black hair, blue eyes and transluscent skin (LOL!!).

I turned out more like his side, pale, so I am looked at as white.

I think that many Americans have at least a little Native heritage, for those who have been here for some generations. My mothers ancestors came in 1634 to Nova Scotia, and they pretty much began marrying the Micmac women right away (as there were nearly no French women with them).

Fathers side have been here for quite some time too, about the early 1700's, and it is beleived that one of his ancestors had married a Native woman as well (in Quebec).

I look completely different from my mother, and we lived in a small town, so the snide remarks were always with us, my mother grew up in Seattle in the 40's and 50's and she had endured a lot of bull too, teachers in high school would ask her if she was an "injun". At time people referred to her father as being "that damn indian". She told me to let it roll off your back, people are ignorant and say stupid things.

Race card, oh yeah, they'll try, but it does no good. I am white, but first I am an American, and it does not matter to me if a person comes here with purple skin, as long as they come here legally and integrate, and obey our laws, that's what I was always taught, loyalty to other Americans is eveything.

All I was trying to say is that not ALL permanent residents and naturalized citizens have good intentions.

I can't dispute that not all people have good intentions. It is pretty obvious to me that the American part of the drug cartel doesn't have any better intentions than their Mexican counterparts. It is obvious that the Americans recruited into the MS-13 gang don't have good intentions. But I don't think it means we should just let the illegal aliens stay here because they "might" have good intentions. If they had good intentions, they would not have entered the country illegally. And how would anyone determine these good intentions? Ask them?

"Oh, yes, Mr. ICE Officer, I am here because I'm a good person. I won't break any more laws--just the one that got me here when I crossed the border illegally."

I would be more concerned with uninspected illegals because we do not know WHO they are or WHERE they are. They pose a greater threat in my opinion.

Daydreamer, think about what you are saying here. What is an uninspected illegal? What is it about the word "illegal" that you don't understand? If one is an illegal alien, that means they don't belong in this country. Period. If they are "inspected" that means that not only has that person broken the law the person who caught them and let them stay has also broken the law. It's called aiding and abetting a criminal!

Personally, I'm concerned with ALL illegal aliens. None of them belong here. None of them should be allowed to stay here, and it is for certain that NO criminal deserves amnesty or even guest worker or student visa status. Round 'em up-- get 'em out of here!

Junius, by INSPECTED ILLEGALS I mean people who came here on a tourist visa, or any other visa, were fingerprinted and photographed but fell out of status, thus making them illegal, but inspected at port of entry. Those who simply hop the border are not finger printed or photographed (maybe the latter by Minutemen, but thats about it). You do not see a difference between someone whom the government KNOWS who they are and where they live and someone who hopped the border? The uninspected ones are more dangerous in the sense that they haven't gone through the process with the USCIS, they simply hopped a border and dissapeared into the night. The USCIS doesn't know where to find them to deport them if they have no records with them.

Those who DO come on tourist visas and so on the USCIS has tabs on them. When they fall out of status the USCIS sends a summons in the mail to appear at their offices. People who show up to these things routinely and dont skip hearing with judges or officers are less dangerous in my opinion because at least we know who they are. Most people who show up to these things wanna do things the right way, they could simply not risk being deported and NOT SHOW UP at the USCIS offices, but some don't, they show up and try to find a legal way to legalize. Yes, I know they broke the law in the first place they shouldn't be allowed to legalize, yes I know the argument...

Anyway, my point is, the undocumented illegals are a lot more dangerous and the USCIS should focus more manpower on finding and deporting those who are not on the radar.

You do not see a difference between someone whom the government KNOWS who they are and where they live and someone who hopped the border?

I don't. They are both illegal aliens. I think something upwards of 50% of the people who come here "temporarialy" let their permits expire. Most if not all the 9/11 hijackers were here on student visas.

Anyway, my point is, the undocumented illegals are a lot more dangerous and the USCIS should focus more manpower on finding and deporting those who are not on the radar.

How can you say this? Do you have some evidence to support this? I think it would be more cost effective to audit the ones who are "on the radar". I think college campuses would be a great start. Check everyone on a student visa. As a matter of fact all the students should be checked for citizenship. There are too many illegals that were brought here as children that are now trying to worm their way into the system. If the school doesn't want to comply, we cut off the federal funding.

Junius, by INSPECTED ILLEGALS I mean people who came here on a tourist visa, or any other visa, were fingerprinted and photographed but fell out of status, thus making them illegal, but inspected at port of entry.

Thank you for the clarification, Daydreamer.

Based on that, I think those people are even MORE guilty than the border hoppers and should be deported forever. If they took the trouble to come legally and then didn't bother to keep up their visa or ignored that it expired, they must have had a reason. 9-11 resulted from the wiles of such people. I think anyone whose visa is more than ten days expired and is still in this country should be deported and never allowed re-entry. And I also think that our own government should have to keep track of the people they so foolishly let into this country on student visas, work visas and even visitors visas from nations that we already know are potentital enemies such as Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia, El Salvador, China, etc. And I know for a fact that other countries keep track of visa data by computer at the ports of entry. When people don't leave within the alloted time, they start looking for them.

From what I can gather, the vast majority of the border hoppers are two different classes of people. First, the vast majority: the ignorant, undesireable people who we are sick of supporting. Those are the ones the President seems to think "only want work." I think they "only want a handout." Apparently those people aren't smart enough to know they are nothing but slaves to business people and homeowners who are too cheap to hire real help, and they will never be able to support themselves. They are too stupid to care that others must support them or they are going to starve to death in the streets so they'd have been better off staying wherever they were. Too many of them become shoplifters and thieves who break into people's homes and help themselves to everything from groceries to automobiles! All should be deported.

Then there are the outright criminals who jump the border to make their money from drugs and human trafficing. If the more vicious criminals were awarded the death penalty instead of deportation it would be solid insurance that they wouldn't be back. If the rest were put in jail for the rest of their lives with no hope of parole, it would keep them out of mischief. Instead, we let gangsters be interviewed from prisons by ignorant news media who seem to think this is all a game.

I know I'm sounding meaner each day about these people. I know I get less sympathetic as more of them turn up on our doorstep. I can't help it. I'm not willing to give up my country to illegal aliens no matter how they got here or why they came. I'm not willing to give up educating American kids in preference to foreign kids who don't speak English.

Originally Posted by AmericanElizabeth

Race card, oh yeah, they'll try, but it does no good. I am white, but first I am an American, and it does not matter to me if a person comes here with purple skin, as long as they come here legally and integrate, and obey our laws, that's what I was always taught, loyalty to other Americans is eveything.

my sentiments exactly.

ditto AmericanElizabeth and kneemow. With emphasis on the word "LEGALLY."

Nevermind my point just flew over everyone's heads...

Most if not all the 9/11 hijackers were here on student visas.

There is an abuse of student visas. I have seen cases where the student violates the terms of their student visa and they begin to work (illegally). The terms of the student visa state that it will only be given to you if you or your guardians have enough money to support your housing, schooling, and other expenses while in America. Some of these people on student visas work full time, I am not sure if they allow students to work part time, maybe someone can clarify me on that. Student visa exploiters should be the first to go.

Student visa exploiters should be the first to go.

I can't dispute that. And they would be the easiest ones to keep track of. If they aren't in school, the school should have to report their absense and the feds should start looking for them. How much simpler could it be?

But, at the same time, we can't let all the criminals walking across the border in, either. We need to launch a simultaneous effort to get them all out of here.

Originally Posted by JuniusJnr

We need to launch a simultaneous effort to get them all out of here.

and the cost of deportation can all be paid for by subtracting the amount from the aid money sent to whichever country the illegal immigrant came from respectively.