Thread: Real healthcare cost?

1) Hospitals and insurance companies define who has the right to medical services. American citizens who cannot pay and/or do not have insurance get turned away (except in real emergencies where they will receive an itemized bill they still have to pay out of their own pockets). So, why should illegals be given rights that some of our own citizens do not enjoy?

2) See above. If we will refuse our own, why would we not do the same to illegals?

3) See answer to number 1 above. Why should illegals get it for free when we charge our own?

4) As above, why should they get it for free when American citizens have to pay?

5) As was previosuly stated, this is based on interpretation of the law. However, what is an "anchor baby" really? It's not just a baby born to foreign parents. It's a baby who's parents came here illegally before the baby was born, then had the baby here so they (the parents and the rest of the family) would have an excuse to stay. I think it's a sick thing to do and shouldn't be rewarded in anyway.

(edit) Hey, dlm, count hubby and I as 2 more people.

Originally Posted by Ladydrake

1) Hospitals and insurance companies define who has the right to medical services. American citizens who cannot pay and/or do not have insurance get turned away (except in real emergencies where they will receive an itemized bill they still have to pay out of their own pockets). So, why should illegals be given rights that some of our own citizens do not enjoy?

Then, what about illegals in Canada?

Then, what about illegals in Canada?

I know you posted that to the Lady. However I dont see what Canada, France, Asia, Russia or anywhere else has to do with USA LAWS/Policy.

Originally Posted by bravee1997

What makes you think I support the idea of giving free medical services to illegals.

This is the sentence that did it.

I totally protest that illegals should ***somehow*** pay equivalent medical insurance bills just like every other US citizens.

bravee1997:

Canada must deal with its illegal immigrants as it sees fit. That is the right of a soverign country, just as the USA must deal with its illegal immigrants.

If I am an American citizen who enters any other illegally, do I have the right to medical care? Somehow I doubt it, unless it is truly life threatening as was indicated before.

If I am pregnant and deliver my baby in a foreign country, that child is still an American citizen (see Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt).

To the best of my knowledge, I am not aware of any country, that allows for "anchor babies" other than the current misconceptin of American law.

Does that answer your questions?

A question from me, just for curiosity, what country do you live in?

Then, what about illegals in Canada?

Canada is not the U.S.A.

They do things differently in their country. While they also have medical insurance, their "free" medical isn't free. They pay for it in really high taxes (unless it has changed). The citizens have to pay and just by buying things, the illegals pay.

I totally protest that illegals should ***somehow*** pay equivalent medical insurance bills just like every other US citizens.

Let's take it further. If a hospital does not receive payment from an American citizen, they can and will go to a collection agency. If that doesn't work, the hospital can and will take the person who owes the money to court where they can receive a judgment that allows that person's wages to be garnished.

If American citizens are forced to pay (even if they cannot afford it) I honestly do not see why illegals should not be required to do the same.

American citizens who are LEGALLY in Mexico, visiting or shopping, etc., who get into accidents and need emergency medical treatment must pay, IN CASH UP FRONT before the Mexicans will lift a finger to help. That's a fact. You can be near death, with your brains or guts hanging out of your body and they will just let you die if you don't have the CASH to pay for your treatment.

They have been known to actually charge people $10,000 or more in cash before they get any emergency treatment. This has happened again and again to San Diegans and other Americans who get injured while in Mexico. Family members of people injured in Mexico have to fly or drive down to Mexico and give the hospitals payment IN CASH before their relatives get treatment.

Can you imagine the uproar that would occur if we did this to an illegal alien with a stubbed toe? La Raza and MALDEF and other pro-illegal groups would have an apoplectic fit if we dared refuse treatment to an illegal needing any type of care, yet when the same things happen to Americans in Mexico, they are absolutely dead silent.

Check this out:

http://www.alipac.us/ftopict-956.html

Originally Posted by CheyenneWoman

bravee1997:

Canada must deal with its illegal immigrants as it sees fit. That is the right of a soverign country, just as the USA must deal with its illegal immigrants.

If I am an American citizen who enters any other illegally, do I have the right to medical care? Somehow I doubt it, unless it is truly life threatening as was indicated before.

If I am pregnant and deliver my baby in a foreign country, that child is still an American citizen (see Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt).

To the best of my knowledge, I am not aware of any country, that allows for "anchor babies" other than the current misconceptin of American law.


Does that answer your questions?

A question from me, just for curiosity, what country do you live in?

CheyenneWoman hit that one outta the park

Originally Posted by bravee1997

Nitty, I am afraid to let you know that your prediction is incorrect. I am indeed neutral, to be honest, I am not even living in the US (and I am very happy with my country so no worries we won't be meeting in yours soon, LOL, at least not in an illegal way), and I am quite new on this issue, thus I can't really set foot on either side before I have obtained enough evidence. However, I am going to write an essay on it.

Please read my post carefully, I have never said I disagreed on enforcing the boarder surveillance. I said specifically, building a wall alone seemed futile since they would just find other means.

I'm curious... do you refuse to lock your front door because you are afraid that someone will break a window to burglarize your house?

Originally Posted by bravee1997

I totally agree with you that anyone who deserves any right should obtain it through a legitimate means.

Whoa! We have another stoppage of play already!

Do you understand what a right is? Rights are inalienable endowments of the Creator. There is no legal or illegal means to obtaining a right, because rights are inherent and self-evident. What you are talking about here is a PRIVILEGE. A privilege is something to which you DO NOT have a right but may nevertheless receive by the largesse of the state.

Originally Posted by bravee1997

However, my point is 1) some of you can't wait to see that illegal immigrants should be stripped away of any right including health services,

Dang! It's gonna take all night to set you straight.

Health care is not a right. It is a privilege IN SOME CASES, but still one that the Americans for whom the privilege exists are expected to render eventual payment for. This is not a socialist state, my little foreign friend. Perhaps you should understand the legal and political system of a nation before you presume to offer opinions on its inner workings.

Originally Posted by bravee1997

2) and I am suggesting that by withdrawing their right to healthcare WHILE keeping (at least the majority of) them in the country will likely endanger the health system even more due to the possible outbreaks.

Aye, aye, aye!

Originally Posted by bravee1997

It seems a solution is a massive deportation since it can effectively eradicate the incentive for future illegal exploitation. My concern is whether it is practical to deport this many illegal immigrants at this stage? If so, please explain how? If not, then, obviously having witnessed people already made it to the US will maintain, if not further encourage, this illegal behaviour.

There is no need for forced deportation. Prosecute employers who hire illegals and the illegal labor market dries up. Cut off benefits to illegals and they have no work and no food and no reason to stay here. They'll deport themselves.

Originally Posted by bravee1997

Some of you appear to completely neglect the contribution made by these individuals. IMO, the term illegal ALIEN is stigmatizing and dehumanizing. ***SOME*** of them do work hard, have loving family and have contributed to the US economy (whether you like it or not). Does hardworking automatically lead to citizenship or equal right, definitely not. Do hardworking people deserve a special consideration than the opposite counterpart? To me (and I believe to many others), the answer is yes. Don't we give criminals, despite they have broken the law, a second chance if they have served their sentences, appear to truly repent, and have truly changed. Maybe this is where you get an idea that I am their advocate, but here is where I look at it from an ethical standpoint, not merely form a legal ground.

We give criminals a second chance AFTER THEY HAVE SERVED THEIR PUNISHMENT. We don't pat them on the heads and then give them free healthcare and foodstamps so that they will continue to disrespect the law. SHEESH!

Originally Posted by bravee1997

Where I am heading into is a question of whether there is an ideal solution which can eliminate further illegal immigration while sustain the **deserved/qualified** ones in the country, maybe having them to compensate and be qualified by working a certain period, paying extra tax, and ensuring a clean criminal record in order to give them a citizenship? If this ideal solution doesn't exist, what is the real solution in you guys' minds?

No person who willfully broke our laws to come here is deserving to stay here, so that makes your query moot.

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