Thread: SAVE ACT

APC SLEDGEHAMMER ACTION ALERT
From the American Policy Center
Tom DeWeese - President
Kathy Lehman - Editor
70 Main Street, Suite 23
Warrenton, VA 20186
www.americanpolicy.org



Action Alert! Action Alert!



URGENT!!


The SAVE Act is Bad Law


And Must Be Stopped



Several "Conservative" groups are telling you to support the SAVE Act. BEWARE!!!


The "Secure America Through Verification and Enforcement Act of 2007," is dangerous to our liberty.

Contrary to what you may have been told, many of the "solutions" in H.R. 4088 are meaningless window dressing that will not help to stop the invasion of illegal aliens.

However, H.R 4088 will help create or enforce several new federal data banks that will infringe on your rights to privacy.

Some who are urging your support of this bill are saying American Policy Center is wrong in our opposition to the SAVE Act. Proponents simply argue that the bill will "broaden" enforcement and make it extremely difficult for illegals to obtain work. APC would not oppose such a plan - but how it is achieved in H.R. 4088 is not supportable for free Americans. Here are the facts:

Section 201 of the bill will require employers to use the E-Verify system "for every person or other entity that hires one or more individuals for employment in the United States." That means every time you apply for a job your background will be checked through a national data bank. That means every single American will have to have their personal information placed in that data bank and registered in a Department of Homeland Security (DHS) worker registry within four years. That means, once again, because some people break the law - all Americans must be herded into Big Brother's surveillance system.

When E-Verify cannot confirm a worker's eligibility, it issues the employer a "tentative nonconfirmation." If nonconfirmed workers do not present themselves at federal government offices within eight days for review of their papers, the government issues a "final nonconfirmation," barring them from working at their new jobs.

If E-Verify goes national, get used to hearing that Orwellian term: "nonconfirmation." In December 2006, the SSA's Office of the Inspector General estimated that the agency's "Numident" file - the data against which Basic Pilot checks worker information - has an error rate of 4.1 percent. This means that national employment eligibility verification would cause one in every 25 new hires to receive a tentative nonconfirmation. With 55 million new hires each year (there is churn in low-end jobs), that's about 11,000 tentative nonconfirmations per workday in the United States - a little more than 25 people per congressional district each day of the working week in the first year.

Illegal immigrants would respond dynamically, not passively. More would collude with employers to work under the table, avoiding E-Verify, other employment regulations, and taxes all at the same time. Others would deepen the minor identity frauds they commit today, getting the documents they need to access employment despite the database system.

E-Verify can pick up multiple uses of given identities and "nonconfirm" those identities. This would make it more difficult for illegal immigrants to work, of course, but it would have the same effect on American citizens. Victims of identity fraud today encounter financial difficulties; under national E-Verify, they would be unemployable.

Such a system may be "convenient" for government, but it's not freedom and APC stands opposed to it.

Section 203 of the SAVE Act will establish a standardized, national databank that tracks "vital events" in your life, particularly your birth and death. Now, why is that bad? Let us explain:

APC has been heavily involved in the effort to stop the creation of a national ID card. The Real ID was passed two years ago to be that ID card. This year several states have refused to impose the Real ID through their Drivers License system simply because they can't comply. Why? Because the Real ID Act requires that states use a national birth certificate databank to verify identity. The problem is, no such birth certificate databank exists - so it is impossible for states to comply - that is a good thing because it is stopping implementation of a national ID system.

Here is what Section 203 says:

"SEC. 203. ESTABLISHMENT OF ELECTRONIC BIRTH AND DEATH REGISTRATION SYSTEMS.
(a) In consultation with the Secretary of Health and Human Services and the Commissioner of Social Security, the Secretary shall take the following actions:

(1) Work with the States to establish a common data set and common data exchange protocol for electronic birth registration systems and death registration systems.

(2) Coordinate requirements for such systems to align with a national model.

(3) Ensure that fraud prevention is built into the design of electronic vital registration systems in the collection of vital event data, the issuance of birth certificates, and the exchange of data among government agencies.

(4) Ensure that electronic systems for issuing birth certificates, in the form of printed abstracts of birth records or digitized images, employ a common format of the certified copy, so that those requiring such documents can quickly confirm their validity.

(5) Establish uniform field requirements for State birth registries.

(6) Not later than 1 year after the date of the enactment of this Act, establish a process with the Department of Defense that will result in the sharing of data, with the States and the Social Security Administration, regarding deaths of United States military personnel and the birth and death of their dependents.

(7) Not later than 1 year after the date of the enactment of this Act, establish a process with the Department of State to improve registration, notification, and the sharing of data with the States and the Social Security Administration, regarding births and deaths of United States citizens abroad.

( Not later than 3 years after the date of establishment of databases provided for under this section, require States to record and retain electronic records of pertinent identification information collected from requestors who are not the registrants.

(9) Not later than 6 months after the date of the enactment of this Act, submit to Congress a report on whether there is a need for Federal laws to address penalties for fraud and misuse of vital records and whether violations are sufficiently enforced."

Can there be any doubt that this section of the SAVE Act is designed to establish that birth certificate databank? That's why APC has charged that the SAVE Act is a tool to help implement the Real ID act and ultimately a National ID system. APC stands opposed to Big Brother’s surveillance over our lives - no matter what the "good intentions."

Others have charged that APC's analysis of the SAVE Act is incorrect and "deplorable." We say - check your premise. Are we fighting the illegal alien invasion as an excuse to back door Big Brother into controlling our lives or to preserve our freedom?

As I have stated before, we have no problem with attempts to strengthen efforts to enforce immigration laws. But these should include building the wall; deploying troops if necessary; supporting the Border Patrol; detaining illegals for court appearances; denying services like schools, hospitals and welfare to illegals; denying citizenship to the new born of illegals; denying college tuition discounts to illegals; and prosecuting sanctuary cities.

None of these things require the establishment of databases. Recent history has shown that removing such incentives in communities has resulted in lower illegal populations. They leave voluntarily.

Simply looking to punish businesses by making them the first line of defense when the federal government refuses to do its job by enforcing the items listed above, is cowardice and grossly unfair. It puts a burden on both employers and potential employees (a vast majority of whom are law abiding Americans) rather than putting the burden where it belongs - on illegals.

As we seek much needed solutions to the very real threat of illegal immigration, we need to disengage from the politics of fear. We are being given a false choice in the immigration war. We are being told that we must sacrifice freedom so that we may have order and security. It's simply not a true choice.

You, loyal Americans, have fought many hard-pitched battles against bad immigration bills. You have risen up in numbers rarely, if ever, seen in the halls of Congress. You have stopped one bad "immigration reform" bill after another. You should be proud; your anger and tenacity have stunned hardened politicians and pundits alike. But you must not let your guard down. Our work is not done.

If you love American Freedom then you must not support the SAVE Act. APC believes it is another Trojan Horse.

The SAVE Act will deliver Americans to centralized control, by setting the stage for a national workforce management system. Perhaps this is why big business and labor unions are stepping up in support of this legislation.

You're being told the SAVE Act is the solution to America's immigration problems you've long sought. It just isn't so, and you deserve much better, from both your government, and any organization purporting to work on your behalf.

For these reasons the American Policy Center remains opposed to the SAVE Act.

However, the SAVE Act, H.R. 4088, has growing bipartisan support and is on a fast track for passage.

ACTION TO TAKE

It is imperative you contact your member of Congress. Also contact Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi; House Majority Whip, Steny Hoyer; House Minority Leader, John Boehner; and House Minority Whip, Roy Blunt. Congress will return from Thanksgiving recess on December 3, but congressional office staffers are working, so you can contact them right now. Call the Congressional switchboard at (202) 224-3121. A switchboard operator will connect you directly with the House office you request.

Tell every Congressman you contact to oppose the SAVE Act, H.R. 4088, because:



The SAVE Act will not stop the invasion of illegals, but will convert them to "authorized aliens."

The SAVE Act advances the pernicious "National Human Resource Management" system that has been implemented piecemeal since the 1990s.

The SAVE Act advances a cradle-to-grave government database to track all "human resources" which will benefit big business.

The SAVE Act helps advance implementation of a National ID Card because is helps establish a birth certificate databank (Section 203).

The SAVE Act will not secure our nation's borders, will not safeguard her citizens, will not preserve what's left of our Rule of Law, and will further decimate our liberty

que, quoi, what? I am thoroughly confused. What is this? Can anybody enlighten me? Thanks

THIS IS ANOTHER SIDE OF THE SAVE ACT. THIS IS PROBALBY WHY DR PAUL ISN'T SIGNING THIS BILL. HE READ IT.

Sure would like to hear some comments from those of you who have wrapped your heads around this ACT.

Perhaps this why.........

Hardly any difference between this front group for the ACLU and the ACLU itself. Both refuse to support any effort to turn off the JOBS MAGNET.

Simply looking to punish businesses by making them the first line of defense when the federal government refuses to do its job by enforcing the items listed above, is cowardice and grossly unfair. It puts a burden on both employers and potential employees (a vast majority of whom are law abiding Americans) rather than putting the burden where it belongs - on illegals.

As I have stated before, we have no problem with attempts to strengthen efforts to enforce immigration laws. But these should include building the wall; deploying troops if necessary; supporting the Border Patrol; detaining illegals for court appearances; denying services like schools, hospitals and welfare to illegals; denying citizenship to the new born of illegals; denying college tuition discounts to illegals; and prosecuting sanctuary cities.

None of these things require the establishment of databases. Recent history has shown that removing such incentives in communities has resulted in lower illegal populations. They leave voluntarily.

And, how does ICE check if someone is here and illegal now???

You mean, ICE has no computers, no databases, no LEDS, NCIC????

The fact is, a variety of databases are already used to determine status - like it or not.

Originally Posted by Jonathan

Hardly any difference between this front group for the ACLU and the ACLU itself. Both refuse to support any effort to turn off the JOBS MAGNET.

Simply looking to punish businesses by making them the first line of defense when the federal government refuses to do its job by enforcing the items listed above, is cowardice and grossly unfair. It puts a burden on both employers and potential employees (a vast majority of whom are law abiding Americans) rather than putting the burden where it belongs - on illegals.

Jonathan, is this organization really a front-group for the ACLU? I remember this action alert. It came out shortly after SAVE was introduced, and I remember someone saying that our enemies are behind this fear-mongering.

Originally Posted by BearFlagRepublic

Originally Posted by Jonathan

Hardly any difference between this front group for the ACLU and the ACLU itself. Both refuse to support any effort to turn off the JOBS MAGNET.

Simply looking to punish businesses by making them the first line of defense when the federal government refuses to do its job by enforcing the items listed above, is cowardice and grossly unfair. It puts a burden on both employers and potential employees (a vast majority of whom are law abiding Americans) rather than putting the burden where it belongs - on illegals.

Jonathan, is this organization really a front-group for the ACLU? I remember this action alert. It came out shortly after SAVE was introduced, and I remember someone saying that our enemies are behind this fear-mongering.

They are certainly a de facto front group for the ACLU and Open Borders Lobby. Ideologically, these groups can be traced to the proto-Marxists of the French Revolution (which actually led to the tyranny of Robespierre - the very thing they had said they were opposing!)

http://www.americanpolicy.org/about/main.htm


Statement of Purpose


President Tom DeWeese

Board of Advisors

APC on the Front Lines

The American Policy Center (APC), located in suburban Washington, D.C., is a privately funded, nonprofit, 501 c (4), tax-exempt grassroots action and education foundation dedicated to the promotion of free enterprise and limited government regulations over commerce and individuals.

APC believes that the free market, through its inherent system of checks and balances, including private ownership of property, is the best method yet devised for creating individual wealth, full employment, goods and services, and protecting the natural environment.

APC’s approach to establishing free market policy is rooted in the conviction that a well-informed American public is the best guarantee that U.S. policy will be guided by a keen awareness of the complexity of world politics and America’s role in it.

To these ends, the American Policy Center has developed a wide range of programs designed to enhance national awareness of crucial global and domestic developments. In particular, APC focuses on the issues of environmental policy and its effect on private property rights; national federal computer data banks and their effect on individual privacy rights; the United Nations and its effect on American national sovereignty; and federal education policy and its effect on local schools and parental rights.

To promote its positions, APC publishes two publications, The DeWeese Report and the Insider’s Report. Both are available through subscription. In addition, APC principals regularly appear on radio and television talk shows, and speak publicly before local and national conferences.

The American Policy Center is one of the nation’s leading grassroots activist organizations. Its action alert system, Sledgehammer, mobilizes thousands of activists through fax and e-mail when legislative action is required. Regular legislative updates are issued bi-weekly through the APC Newswire.

As a result of its legislative activity, contributions to the American Policy Center are not tax-deductible. APC is funded primarily from small, individual contributions of its supporters and occasional grants from private foundations and businesses. APC does not accept government grants of any kind.

Originally Posted by roundabout

Sure would like to hear some comments from those of you who have wrapped your heads around this ACT.

Perhaps this why.........

Or maybe its this:

http://blog.noslaves.com/ron-paul-is-not-the-answer/

Q: If you’re President, various interest groups are going to come to you and say, there’s a shortage of nurses or teachers or (goodness!) possibly journalists; therefore we have to have these temporary work programs to bring in labor in this area. If the labor is organized, it’s going to say to you, look, the problem isn’t that there’s a shortage, the problem is business doesn’t want to pay higher wages. What will you do?

Ron Paul: Well, whatever we do will be legal. Congress has to have a say, they have to pass a law, and the President has to decide to sign it or not. And I would lean in the direction of saying, if there is indeed a shortage, and this is a legal process, this shouldn’t be threatening to us.

Q: How would you determine that there was a shortage?

Ron Paul: Well, I don’t think it would be easy but if there’s a need and immigrants can get a job, that means there’s a shortage. If there was no shortage, they wouldn’t have jobs. Obviously the companies can’t fill some of these jobs and they’re looking for people to fill them.

Q: Well, the counter-argument is that they can’t fill them at the price that they’re offering.

Ron Paul: That’s right, but the market has to set the price. Set the product and set the price of labor.

Q: But the argument of the displaced software engineers is that the government is colluding with the business owners to break down the price by importing temporary workers.

Ron Paul: I don’t think we should have minimum wages to protect the price of labor. I want the market to determine this. At the upper level as well.

Q: It’s really a question of defining the rules, isn’t it? Is it fair for corporations to increase supply by bringing in temporary workers?

Ron Paul: Which, means they’re going to fill a need for a certain time at a certain price, by people who have come here voluntarily. Otherwise, you have to be anti-immigrant and I don’t think our country is anti-immigrant. I think its anti-illegal immigrant. I think the problem you identify is occurring because we don’t have a healthy free market economy and we reward people for not getting training and becoming the type of individual who might get a job in a software company.