Thread: Thanks for the REAL wake up call!

Originally Posted by Aracely

Originally Posted by ohflyingone

I am old enough to remember how this country used to be, and with God's help, will be again. Our younger generation is being brainwashed. History is not being taught as it should be. Political correctness has slithered it's way into everything. !

well I think I can speak for the younger generation, and I think in a way you are right, just because I personally don't think of it as an invasion. Or I don't have a problem with spanish speaking people etc. In part because I was born in Mexico(i am here legally). But, also with the people I associate with at school, many are Hispanic, and the others are from other countries, I happen to go to one of the most diverse schools in the country(so i hear, but it is seen also).
I also think that many of the youth is not directly affected by it, for example we don't see the economy side of it. We don't pay for rent, bills, insurance etc.
Many of us are fascinated rather than insulted of the idea of different languages. At least where I am at. Houston, itself is a pretty diverse city so I think that is why the younger generation is not as active. In a way many do not really care, when I ask what they think about immigration many do not care.

See thats the BIG problem. The younger generation doesnt see this as an 'invasion' because it has been 'drowned out' by the pro-legal crowds, which have no foresight what-so-ever, of all the economic and social consequences that are occuring right now, and will ruin America REAL SOON. Our national identity is being ersased. Everyone's culture is being shoved aside, at least American culture. Our jobs are being outsourced to other nations. Hispanics are replacing American citizens in the workplace. These are not "jobs that Americans dont want to do". These are jobs that many people have be working at for lifetimes, only to have their jobs yanked from under them, and replaced by Hispanics who will work cheap. The middle class is becoming extinct.
We really need to take care of our citizens first, and worry about immigration on a legal basis, where we can decide who and how many can migrate legally.
You are here legally. But I bet you most of your Hispanic friends and otm's are not here legally. It is causing alot of resentment to build up and people are MAD as hell.

actually all my friends are here legally many were born in other countries but are here legally, and the rest are Hispanic born here. We are all in college, so it is hard to get in if you are not legal.

A lot of the jobs that immigrants are doing, they have been doing for a long time. The problem is the large number coming in today illegally. As far as cultures, I don't think there is anything wrong with learning about different cultures, either way American culutre is soaked up when here legally, and growing up alongside other Americans I can use myself as an example. I was raised with deep Mexican values- Catholic, strict rules that to this day I have to follow, I cannot leave my house until I am married kind of rules. That is culture, and I don't think that is bad. But I also grew up in America so that culture is also soaked up. You assimilate, and it is also hard at times. For example on this site, I have been shot down for saying I am Mexican American, or that I have a Mexican culture. My parents raised me that way, and we have done nothing illegal. So that is why I feel that culture awarness is not a bad thing, it is something that has been and will always be here, and Americans should be tolerant towards that. Not just Mexican culture but every culture that America harbors.

Aracely,

I'm sure you can understand the reaction a lot of Americans are going through having so much Mexican culture forced on our nation at once.

3 million illegal aliens a year are trying the patience and generosity of many Americans.

The actions of the Mexican government on this issue have been terrible as well.

Are you a dual citizen now or are you an American that is hispanic.

Even saying Hispanic American sounds strange as some see that as hyphenated Americanism.

I'm trying to decide the best use myself. By telling people you are from Mexico or Hispanic it is good because it shares something about yourself and your background. Perhaps we should all say 'An American that is white" or "An American that is black" etc...

Perhaps the word American should come first.

W

Well I am American, I was born in Mexico, came here when I was 2, let me clarify my family immigrated here legally. I grew up here, I go to Mexico at least 3 times a year to visit my family(grandparents, cousins, aunts, uncles)

I say Mexican American becasue that is just what has always been used here, but I don't think it matters if we say American Mexican. Yeah that sounds funny. Ok I am American, I don't have dual citizenship, the only use I would have is not to pay to go to Mexico. But I don't go south enough to worry about that either way.

I completly understand the concern and the efforts put into this, and for the most part I am for it. I have some things I don't agree with, but in a way I am split in the middle.

It's hard to explain, I understand why you are doing this and I respect it and would even follow on many of the issues. I read the mission statement and it is completly understandable. Yet, you also have to understand my personal stand on it. I am one of those that speaks spanish, and dances Mexican Folk dances at Cinco de Mayo programs, I love tamales, etc. You know, and then I realize that this is also contributing to actions that hurt Americans. So I am cut in the middle of two cultures. I have already been told that I have to choose, and what not. But believe me easier said then done, I don't ask anyone to learn my culture or even like it, but do not ask me to choose having two cultures is not easy but its not bad. It does not affect the way I feel about America, and the pride I feel to be American.

But I am not the problem, and it is not the culture per se either, it's illegal immigrants not caring like I would. I know, but I just wanted to clear up my background. I also would like to add that since I first found this site in October it has gotten a lot better. Like I see a lot more real answers and ideas then before. Before it was almost racist, and now I see the problem and that the foundation is nowhere near a racist or discriminatory idea. So I want to say that is good, becasue it helps people like me find out where we stand in this whole immigration issue.

Originally Posted by Aracely

For example on this site, I have been shot down for saying I am Mexican American, or that I have a Mexican culture. My parents raised me that way, and we have done nothing illegal. So that is why I feel that culture awarness is not a bad thing, it is something that has been and will always be here, and Americans should be tolerant towards that. Not just Mexican culture but every culture that America harbors.

Where is this post that supposidly you "have been shot down for saying I am Mexican American". I dont think anyone would put you down for being Mexican American. But I agree with Alipac's reply. Its hard for Americans to accept this dual or half-citizen bit. I, for one, get suspicious with hyphenated citizenships. If you become a citizen of the United States, you need to be proud enough to say "I am an American". This doesnt mean putting your 'roots' aside.

I generalized too badly in another thread about hispanics. Maybe that's what Aracely is referring to. I did appologize for that in the Lowe's and BBQ thread under General Discussions

Yeah, rockfish its ok I don't take things to personally but I had to point it out since others might. And butterbean I mean yeah that was an incidnet, and another back in October when I first started to coem here, I can't remember exactly what it was. But I also was very stubborn then and was not for all of this like I am now. I mean i am still divided in some issues, but I am a lot more open to saying I am American with roots in Mexico. I mean I was born there and do still visit family but I grew up here.

I am proud to be American, I want to point that out. I am also proud to be "ethnic" I guess. Its hard to explain since I am very close to my heritage. So much to say about the person I am when it comes to culture.

I understand what you are saying. I am very proud to be of Croatan Indian and Scott/Irish. But If asked I am All American and American first and lastly. When it is time to stand up and be counted you can only stand for one flag, you can not have two loyalties and serve them both equally.

Yeah I get it now. But I mean I guess it has always been that way. I vote, live, study, eat, sleep, here. So it was just a matter of finding myself which I have, I mean I still have my heritage but I can't imagine living in Mexico. You know what made me upset, you know that Mexicans can vote here in the states for Mexico's candidates. Like, if you still have your voter registration ID from Mexico you can vote here. This makes me really upset, because I think that it allows for illegal immigrants to not care of what is going on here. They still make choices, well not that it matters in Mexico. But they are allowed to vote. I can't vote, because I never had one of the IDs but if my parents wished to vote they could. (They never have)

be always proud of your heritage, but be 1st and for most a true American. No where on this earth will you have the opportunity to be what you want except in America. With effort and determination you can do anything or be anything (legally) you want in the USA.