Thread: WHO, WHEN, WHERE, HOW and WHY "they" did it - now

though most go belly up anyway.

it seems to me they do not exactly "go belly up"

it is more like they slither out of sight without paying any claims.

Then hang out a new shingle with a different name.

2ndamendis,

I could not disagree with you so intently. It is beacuse this information has been put to one side is the very reason the US finds herself where she is now.

Ever heard the statement, that my people perish from the lack of knowledge. Here's another a general once said, how can a soldier fight on a battlefield if he does not know where or who the enemy is. I strongly believe that it does not take anything from the fight here by educating people that what is happening now is a design that was put in place before most of us was even born. Please do not be so quick to shoot down what you do not know.

JEFF,
this information has been out there for some years. Many of us have worked on it diligently.

TIME IS SHORT AND VALUABLE. There is no time to waste and all efforts must be put towards the House in forcing them to halt.

The fact is simply, if you think that the average American, raising a family, working several jobs, in debt, is going to take the time to understand the more intricate parts of this mess, you're mistaken.
NOT HUMAN NATURE.

The KNOWLEDGE that people need concerns ILLEGAL ALIENS, indiscriminate immigration and the ramifications to our nation, people, sovereignty.

Going off on a tangent will only cause people to pull the covers over their heads right now. Just as so many of you have done until now.

The NAFTA/CAFTA/FTAA agreements are enough for people to delve into and absorb. For those few who have the time, energy and willingness to go further, GREAT.

Our goal is to grow in force. Not to make people run in fear. There's time for that later........but, right now

FIGHT TO STOP THE HOUSE

Going off on a tangent will only cause people to pull the covers over their heads right now.

I would have disagreed with that about 2 weeks ago. Since than I have been amazed at how little interest or concern some/ make that most people seem to have. A lot of Americans are so used to their safe routines and they do not understand or realize the possible consequences.

A few even defend the illegals, stating things like "I think we should allow immigration" - this is the effect of media brain-washing, it takes time to re-educate these people.

SKID WROTE:
Since than I have been amazed at how little interest or concern some/ make that most people seem to have.

That's precisely why it's so important to keep it simple & concise.
LOL, we all know how crazy our lives can get.

It's less threatening to hear simple facts than the very deep & confusing.

Psychological fact:

people tend to maintain their pre-existing beliefs and dismiss or dispute any new evidence that is contrary to their beliefs.

- Reminds me of our politicians!

Psychological fact:

people tend to maintain their pre-existing beliefs and dismiss or dispute any new evidence that is contrary to their beliefs.

You are absolutely correct Skid. But I would rather see the process of informing them begin now as opposed to seeing them wake up one morning to the harsh reality that the United States of America as we knew it no longer exists as a sovereign nation!

One should also remember that there is the pyschological pattern of acceptance of unpleasant truths. It is a time consuming process!

First ridicule
Second denial
Third acceptance.

They need to get to the point of acceptance before they can take action. Those documents expedite reality.

One cannot learn history that is not published in our history books! People need to understand why the people entering our country illegally are demanding rights reserved for citizens. The links to the early history provide an understanding of what is occuring today....the current final phase NAFTA, CAFTA and the %$#@! FTAA.

We need every man woman and child educated and aware of what is occuring so they at least have an opportunity to defend the values set forth in our Constitution which created this great nation! People won't believe it because it is unthinkable. They need to see it in black and white!

Our power is in our numbers. Half of those numbers either have no clue becasue they are busy trustingly living their lives or are in various stages of asking why!

Those links are the why. You cannot fight a battle you do not know exists! Time is not on our side.

Unwittingly the protestors jumpstarted the process for many of us when we saw the Mexican Flag and the statements splashed on the banners. Not everyone in this country understands why those people felt they could demand rights or make those statements.

They could demand those rights because their government educated them to the terms of the agreements made by our past and current presidents. Our government didn't even consult us! They just let us continue on believing our interests were protected in Washington D.C.

The "illegal aliens, immigrants, invaders whatever your comfortable with calling them know what is happening. The general population of American citizens do not!

Most have an unpleasant understanding of the consequences of NAFTA, CAFTA, and the %$#@ still to come FTAA. They need to know those are the final steps in a long range plan and that plan "ain't" pretty given what our society has come to expect as a standard of living in freedom!

People have to understand the "legal" doorway that was opened for the people of other countries to enter this nation with the set of expectations they are demanding. They feel it is their right! They understand it as migration to another part of the "Continent".

The American people have to understand who orchestrated this because many people are still relying on the very people who created the problem .... to solve the problem.

People have to understand the who, how and why of it before they can accept the reality of it and stand on their own two feet to protect themselves and their family. They can no longer be complacent and rely upon those who legislated away our rights to just give them back!

People are asking questions. Put the answers out there! All they have to do is skim them to understand that laws have been inacted that have brought this crisis down upon our nation.

It is imperative that people realize the power still lies with the people. It is imperative that people understand the battle that is before them.

They need to understand that "SOME" of those charged with protecting our nation and our liberties broke faith with the people.

If they do not understand that they will rely upon those same people to solve the problem.

We have a window of opportunity here with the fact that laws on the books have been DELIBERATELY ignored. If people are aware of the history they will understand WHY the laws were not enforced.

Once those laws are ammended (CURRENT BS GOING ON IN THE "IMMIGRATION REFORM") our window will be closed.

WE have to keep the pressure on the congress NO AMNESTY and I see people in here saying stop the HOUSE. Hell no don't stop the house. They are setting up a situation where no "reform" will be passed. You need to pat those people on the back they are fighting for this country.

I do not see the House caving on the amnesty issue which means no "reform legislation" will be passed into law. When that occurs the administration will be forced to respond to the anger coming forth from the people of this nation. He will either chose to enforce the laws on the books or reveal the truth that they have no intention of enforcing those laws. Those laws were rendered null and void as a result of "global economy agreements" opening borders and abdicating sovereignty.

Push will come to shove on this. WE must force the government to enforce the laws on the books period! If they refuse then ...

I hope this post doesn't get canned for the next statement but I fear the only solution is another tea party. Given the denial of the administration and certain Senators to respond to the will of the masses, I would say history is repeating itself once again. Taxation without representation.

I for one refuse to be an "economic unit" in service to the few. I believe in the values that created this great nation. I will not allow them to become history without a fight.

We must remember the unity of our numbers have power. One voice is a whispter. WE need the 280 Million voices awakened to the facts. The power is still with the people.

XANADU wrote:
I do not see the House caving on the amnesty issue which means no "reform legislation" will be passed into law. When that occurs the administration will be forced to respond to the anger coming forth from the people of this nation. He will either chose to enforce the laws on the books or reveal the truth that they have no intention of enforcing those laws. Those laws were rendered null and void as a result of "global economy agreements" opening borders and abdicating sovereignty.

Please let's not get to trusting. Arms are being twisted and deals are being made. the HOUSE is by no means secured!!

They have to have their backs pushed firmly against the wall. [/quote]

Very well put xanadu.
Here are a few items of intrest:

People need to understand why the people entering our country illegally are demanding rights reserved for citizens

I have found one explanation for this at the center of immigration studies:

http://www.cis.org/articles/2001/mexico/

The site is currently down, so I can not specify an exact location, however I do have the following notes taken from the text which I saved:

- Despite public opposition, Politicians have allowed a growing number of legal Mexican immigrants to enter the country and become citizens. Politicians have also actively encouraged illegal immigration by promising citizenship to over 4 million more each year, even though they are aware doing so encourages those who have been selected, but have to wait, to simply come to the United States and settle illegally in anticipation of the day they are granted visas.

many people are still relying on the very people who created the problem .... to solve the problem

From the same source as above:

Congress has chosen not to take even the most elementary steps necessary to reduce illegal immigration and they have repeatedly failed to increase funding for worksite enforcement. Congress has even intervened to prevent the INS from enforcing the law.

There does not seem to be many out there on our side.

Oh man, that article reminds me of a book Robert Ludlum wrote. I have read almost all of his books, so I can't remember which one it was. It was all about a secret organization, of wealthy that were out to take down governments so they could rule the world. This organization was not above wageing wars and biological warfare to achieve their goal of unified world dominance.... Pretty out their but it's fiction. However, one of his books The Prometheus Deception published prior to 9-11 predicted "anthrax outbreak in Vienna, a passenger train blown up outside Paris, a jetliner falling from the sky over New York City." Ludlum died in March 2001 so the book was completed prior to 9-11. Clancy hit the nail on the head of some of the 9-11 stuff too.

American's feel a little too secure sometimes. It's like when you are on the road and in your car aka bubble. You don't always realize the potential dangers around you. You dismiss them and continue drinking coffee or putting on make up. The only thing that will change behavior is a near miss or a total wreck.

You say tax increase and people go crazy. You say the Socialist are taking over America and they write you off. Unless it bites them in the ass, they don’t notice.

I know someone that has been going on and on for years about the insane trade deficits we are allowing. It totally unreasonable what we are doing. Akin to loaning our souls to the devils.

Dixie