Thread: Whoo Hoo. I don't have to go to Mexico now

Martin, I am interested, what homecountry? I am glad to hear that you are waiting patiently, allowing God to help you. We need more like yourself that are willing to endure hardship to be a citizen. Doing the right thing is never the easiest path. Although with our broken immigration system, it makes it even more difficult.

America needs people that are proud to become citizens and want to be Americans. This does not mean they give up their ancestral roots, forget their culture, but it does mean to be loyal to America, to have a love for the history of this country and it's beginnings. Loyal to their new fellow citizens.

When I heard a new friend from Romania talk about becoming a citizen and getting to vote for the first time, and how excited she was, I really did nearly cry (I am one of those people that hear the Star Spangled Banner, especially on Fourth of July, and I have to bite my lip from crying like a baby). It made me happy to think that I get to share this country with someone so glad to become part of it.

Martin, watch some of our old newsclips from World War II and some of the old World War II movies. Watch how proud and patriotic Americans were at that time. It might help, as a newcomer, to understand that most adults in America ages 35 and up feel, as we were raised by parents from those generations. We were taught fierce loyalties to our country.

We love it here, and do not want to see it marred by wrong doing when it comes to our laws.

Martin, welcome to America.

Originally Posted by Martin

I have patiently waited for over ten years for my legal residence papers to arrive.

One thing I did learn while living in the U.S. (always legally I might add), was that doing things by the book (almost ) always pays off . Certainly, I have had many chances to immigrate illegally to the U.S., but I want to hold my head up high when the moment finally arrives (I have even purchased already the tie I'm going to wear for the occasion ). I have placed my faith in God, and the American system, with the conviction that I've done things RIGHT. I will not infringe the law just to get my own way. And should God decide that I must stay in this dump (my homecountry) , well the Lord knows better. Am I being too foolish? Perhaps. But I rather rely on God's will, and stay under His protection.

Thank you Martin for posting this. Did you know the reason why you had to wait so long was beacuse of crappy laws and an overworked USCIS? If we do grant amnesty to the millions of illeglas that same agency will literaly shut down and have all kinds of problems with fraud, it's almost like giving Al-Queda the keys to our country.

Married an illegal? Are you sure she loves you? You're not a sucker are you? I was stationed in Korea, a country similar to Mexico, and the girls there (hookers) told me stories of how some girls "fall in love" with a GI, get married and immigrate to America and the Land of the Big BX. Once they get permanent residence status, the hubby gets jettisoned. Not all, just some.
I hope your wife doesn't do that to you.

Kleatherfoot,
Nothing passed, don't count your chickens before they hatch, the simple fact is the American people don't want Amnesty in any form for Illegal aliens and that includes the Dream Act for Anchor Babies who have shown there Seperatist intentions as seen in the massive marchs in the news. I think i speak for all Americans in that we will not allow "Foriegn Entity Parasites" better known as "Anchor Babies" to Balkanize the United States.

You know leatherfoot, I have sympathy, but only for people who are patiently waiting in line, instead of lying and cheating their way into the United States of America, or for that matter, marrying their way in.

I have watched my neighbors here, how they glower at my American flag, how they glare at us when we go to check the mail. It is apparent that they have no intentions of integrating into American society, they simply want things their way, plus be here as well. They would rather us accomodate them, and give them everything we have accomplished in our lifetimes, on a silver platter and not have to work to earn it, that is our citizenship. Although for those of us born American, our citizenship is our birthright, we also have to mantain it, to put in our efforts for the well being of this country, these people do not want to have to do that.

It's a shame that illegals have the mentallity that just because they were able to cheat their way into my country, this means that I must recognize them and accept them. Sorry it is not happening. Just remember, there will always be the chance in the future to make changes, no matter what current politicians do, we the people have the right to vote someone in that can make changes.

Leatherfoot, I will never accept these people. I will never like their sneaky, lying ways. I will never respect them, because they did not respect me, my fellow citizens and our countries laws. They can march and yell all they want, but to me they will never be a part of this country. They will always be lawbreakers, and to me lawbreakers should be punished. Not some piddly fines, real punishment, the "you're going back to your country for good" kind of punishment.

kleatherfoot:

I want you to read this very carefully ok:

http://www.americanpatrol.com/REFERENCE/isacrime.html

Illegal Immigration is a Crime

Under Title 8 Section 1325 of the U.S. Code, "Improper Entry by Alien," any citizen of any country other than the United States who:

* Enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers; or
* Eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers; or
* Attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact;

has committed a federal crime.

Violations are punishable by criminal fines and imprisonment for up to six months. Repeat offenses can bring up to two years in prison. Additional civil fines may be imposed at the discretion of immigration judges, but civil fines do not negate the criminal sanctions or nature of the offense.

Also see the following...........

Illegal Immigration is a Crime

Each year the Border Patrol is making more than a million apprehensions of people who flagrantly violate our nation's laws by unlawfully crossing U.S. borders to work and to receive publicly-funded services, often with the aid of fraudulent documents. Such entry is a misdemeanor and, if repeated, becomes punishable as a felony. Over eight million illegal immigrants live in the United States -- some estimate even more.

In addition to sneaking into the country in violation of the immigration law that requires that aliens be documented for legal entry (referred to as "entry without inspection -- EWI"), others enter with legal documentation and then violate the terms on which they have been admitted by taking jobs that are not authorized or overstaying the authorized period of stay in the country. The INS estimated in 1996 that about 60 percent of the then estimated five million illegal immigrants were EWI and 40 percent were overstayers. Both types of illegal immigrants are deportable under Immigration and Nationality Act Section 237 (a)(1)(B) which says:
"Any alien who is present in the United States in violation of this Act or any other law of the United States is deportable."

ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IS NOT A VICTIMLESS CRIME
Apologists for illegal immigration like to paint it as a victimless crime. But in fact, illegal immigration causes substantial harm to American citizens and legal immigrants, particularly those in the most vulnerable sectors of our population--the poor, minorities, and children.

Illegal immigration causes an enormous drain on public funds. The seminal study of the costs of immigration by the National Academy of Sciences found that the taxes paid by immigrants do not cover the cost of services received by them. We cannot provide high quality education, health care, and retirement security for our own people if we continue to bring in endless numbers of poor, unskilled immigrants.

Additionally, job competition by waves of illegal immigrants willing to work at substandard wages and working conditions depresses the wages of American workers, hitting hardest at minority workers and those without high school degrees. Ý

Illegal immigration also contributes to the dramatic population growth overwhelming communities across America--crowding school classrooms, consuming already limited affordable housing, and straining precious natural resources like water, energy, and forestland.

BORDER PATROL: NECESSARY BUT NOT SUFFICIENT
The Border Patrol plays a crucial role in combatting illegal immigration, but illegal immigration cannot be controlled solely at the border. About half of the illegal alien population is comprised of visa overstayers--people who entered the country legally, but became illegal aliens by their failure to leave the U.S. upon expiration of their visa. Once entry occurs, there is little chance of detection and virtually no chance of deportation, except for convicted criminals.

WHAT CAN WE DO?
We need a comprehensive program to end illegal immigration; that means ensuring that people who enter illegally or overstay their lawful status will not be able to obtain employment, public assistance benefits, public education, public housing, or any other taxpayer-funded benefit without detection.

The three major components of immigration control--deterrence, apprehension and removal--need to be strengthened by Congress and the Executive Branch if effective control is ever to be reestablished. Controlling illegal immigration requires a balanced approach with a full range of enforcement improvements that go far beyond the border. These include many procedural reforms, beefed up investigation capacity, asylum reform, documents improvements, major improvements in INS detention and deportation procedures, limitations on judicial review, improved intelligence capacity, greatly improved state/federal cooperation, and added resources. See How to Combat Illegal Immigration.

WHAT ABOUT THE COSTS?
Effective control and management of the laws against illegal immigration require adequate resources. But those costs will be more than offset by savings to states, counties, communities, and school districts across the nation.

FAIR, 3/03

Also see: Federal Immigration and Nationality Act Section 8 USC 1324(a)(1)(A)(iv)(b)(iii)
and.... 1996 Brief: 'Illegal Immigration is a Crime'

Federal Immigration and Nationality Act
Section 8 USC 1324(a)(1)(A)(iv)(b)(iii)

"Any person who . . . encourages or induces an alien to . . . reside . . . knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that such . . . residence is . . . in violation of law, shall be punished as provided . . . for each alien in respect to whom such a violation occurs . . . fined under title 18 . . . imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both."

Section 274 felonies under the federal Immigration and Nationality Act, INA 274A(a)(1)(A):

A person (including a group of persons, business, organization, or local government) commits a federal felony when she or he:

* assists an alien s/he should reasonably know is illegally in the U.S. or who lacks employment authorization, by transporting, sheltering, or assisting him or her to obtain employment, or

* encourages that alien to remain in the U.S. by referring him or her to an employer or by acting as employer or agent for an employer in any way, or

* knowingly assists illegal aliens due to personal convictions.

Penalties upon conviction include criminal fines, imprisonment, and forfeiture of vehicles and real property used to commit the crime. Anyone employing or contracting with an illegal alien without verifying his or her work authorization status is guilty of a misdemeanor. Aliens and employers violating immigration laws are subject to arrest, detention, and seizure of their vehicles or property. In addition, individuals or entities who engage in racketeering enterprises that commit (or conspire to commit) immigration-related felonies are subject to private civil suits for treble damages and injunctive relief.

Recruitment and Employment of Illegal Aliens

It is unlawful to hire an alien, to recruit an alien, or to refer an alien for a fee, knowing the alien is unauthorized to work in the United States. It is equally unlawful to continue to employ an alien knowing that the alien is unauthorized to work. Employers may give preference in recruitment and hiring to a U.S. citizen over an alien with work authorization only where the U.S. citizen is equally or better qualified. It is unlawful to hire an individual for employment in the United States without complying with employment eligibility verification requirements. Requirements include examination of identity documents and completion of Form I-9 for every employee hired. Employers must retain all I-9s, and, with three days' advance notice, the forms must be made available for inspection. Employment includes any service or labor performed for any type of remuneration within the United States, with the exception of sporadic domestic service by an individual in a private home. Day laborers or other casual workers engaged in any compensated activity (with the above exception) are employees for purposes of immigration law. An employer includes an agent or anyone acting directly or indirectly in the interest of the employer. For purposes of verfication of authorization to work, employer also means an independent contractor, or a contractor other than the person using the alien labor. The use of temporary or short-term contracts cannot be used to circumvent the employment authorization verification requirements. If employment is to be for less than the usual three days allowed for completing the I-9 Form requirement, the form must be completed immediately at the time of hire.

An employer has constructive knowledge that an employee is an illegal unauthorized worker if a reasonable person would infer it from the facts. Constructive knowledge constituting a violation of federal law has been found where (1) the I-9 employment eligibility form has not been properly completed, including supporting documentation, (2) the employer has learned from other individuals, media reports, or any source of information available to the employer that the alien is unauthorized to work, or (3) the employer acts with reckless disregard for the legal consequences of permitting a third party to provide or introduce an illegal alien into the employer's work force. Knowledge cannot be inferred solely on the basis of an individual's accent or foreign appearance.

Actual specific knowledge is not required. For example, a newspaper article stating that ballrooms depend on an illegal alien work force of dance hostesses was held by the courts to be a reasonable ground for suspicion that unlawful conduct had occurred.

IT IS ILLEGAL FOR NONPROFIT OR RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATIONS to knowingly assist an employer to violate employment sanctions, REGARDLESS OF CLAIMS THAT THEIR CONVICTIONS REQUIRE THEM TO ASSIST ALIENS. Harboring or aiding illegal aliens is not protected by the First Amendment. It is a felony to establish a commercial enterprise for the purpose of evading any provision of federal immigration law. Violators may be fined or imprisoned for up to five years.

Encouraging and Harboring Illegal Aliens

It is a violation of law for any person to conceal, harbor, or shield from detection in any place, including any building or means of transportation, any alien who is in the United States in violation of law. HARBORING MEANS ANY CONDUCT THAT TENDS TO SUBSTANTIALLY FACILITATE AN ALIEN TO REMAIN IN THE U.S. ILLEGALLY. The sheltering need not be clandestine, and harboring covers aliens arrested outdoors, as well as in a building. This provision includes harboring an alien who entered the U.S. legally but has since lost his legal status.

An employer can be convicted of the felony of harboring illegal aliens who are his employees if he takes actions in reckless disregard of their illegal status, such as ordering them to obtain false documents, altering records, obstructing INS inspections, or taking other actions that facilitate the alien's illegal employment. Any person who within any 12-month period hires ten or more individuals with actual knowledge that they are illegal aliens or unauthorized workers is guilty of felony harboring. It is also a felony to encourage or induce an alien to come to or reside in the U.S. knowing or recklessly disregarding the fact that the alien's entry or residence is in violation of the law. This crime applies to any person, rather than just employers of illegal aliens. Courts have ruled that "encouraging" includes counseling illegal aliens to continue working in the U.S. or assisting them to complete applications with false statements or obvious errors. The fact that the alien is a refugee fleeing persecution is not a defense to this felony, since U.S. law and the UN Protocol on Refugees both require that a refugee must report to immigration authorities without delay upon entry to the U.S.

The penalty for felony harboring is a fine and imprisonment for up to five years. The penalty for felony alien smuggling is a fine and up to ten years' imprisonment. Where the crime causes serious bodily injury or places the life of any person in jeopardy, the penalty is a fine and up to twenty years' imprisonment. If the criminal smuggling or harboring results in the death of any person, the penalty can include life imprisonment. Convictions for aiding, abetting, or conspiracy to commit alien smuggling or harboring, carry the same penalties. Courts can impose consecutive prison sentences for each alien smuggled or harbored. A court may order a convicted smuggler to pay restitution if the alien smuggled qualifies as a victim under the Victim and Witness Protection Act. Conspiracy to commit crimes of sheltering, harboring, or employing illegal aliens is a separate federal offense punishable by a fine of up to $10,000 or five years' imprisonment.

Enforcement

A person or entity having knowledge of a violation or potential violation of employer sanctions provisions may submit a signed written complaint to the INS office with jurisdiction over the business or residence of the potential violator, whether an employer, employee, or agent. The complaint must include the names and addresses of both the complainant and the violator, and detailed factual allegations, including date, time, and place of the potential violation, and the specific conduct alleged to be a violation of employer sanctions. By regulation, the INS will only investigate third-party complaints that have a reasonable probability of validity. Designated INS officers and employees, and all other officers whose duty it is to enforce criminal laws, may make an arrest for violation of smuggling or harboring illegal aliens.

State and local law enforcement officials have the general power to investigate and arrest violators of federal immigration statutes without prior INS knowledge or approval, as long as they are authorized to do so by state law. There is no extant federal limitation on this authority. The 1996 immigration control legislation passed by Congress was intended to encourage states and local agencies to participate in the process of enforcing federal immigration laws. Immigration officers and local law enforcement officers may detain an individual for a brief warrantless interrogation where circumstances create a reasonable suspicion that the individual is illegally present in the U.S. Specific facts constituting a reasonable suspicion include evasive, nervous, or erratic behavior; dress or speech indicating foreign citizenship; and presence in an area known to contain a concentration of illegal aliens. Hispanic appearance alone is not sufficient. Immigration officers and police must have a valid warrant or valid employer's consent to enter workplaces or residences. Any vehicle used to transport or harbor illegal aliens, or used as a substantial part of an activity that encourages illegal aliens to come to or reside in the U.S. may be seized by an immigration officer and is subject to forfeiture. The forfeiture power covers any conveyances used within the U.S.

RICO -- Citizen Recourse

Private persons and entities may initiate civil suits to obtain injunctions and treble damages against enterprises that conspire to or actually violate federal alien smuggling, harboring, or document fraud statutes, under the Racketeer-Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO). The pattern of racketeering activity is defined as commission of two or more of the listed crimes. A RICO enterprise can be any individual legal entity, or a group of individuals who are not a legal entity but are associated in fact, AND CAN INCLUDE NONPROFIT ASSOCIATIONS.

Tax Crimes

Employers who aid or abet the preparation of false tax returns by failing to pay income or Social Security taxes for illegal alien employees, or who knowingly make payments using false names or Social Security numbers, are subject to IRS criminal and civil sanctions. U.S. nationals who have suffered intentional discrimination because of citizenship or national origin by an employer with more than three employees may file a complaint within 180 days of the discriminatory act with the Special Counsel for Immigration-Related Unfair Employment Practices, U.S. Department of Justice. In additon to the federal statutes summarized, state laws and local ordinances controlling fair labor practices, workers compensation, zoning, safe housing and rental property, nuisance, licensing, street vending, and solicitations by contractors may also apply to activities that involve illegal aliens.

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You get no sympathy from me. You deserve everything you get for marrying a criminal.

[quote="ALIPAC"]I think he was trying to gloat as if some kind of bill that would allow his illegal wife to stay had passed. It has not.

Was that what you meant to say? Oh boy! My wife will get legalized with 12 million other illegal aliens?

W[/quote

Elizabeth,

I intended to conceal my nationality for as long as possible, since my exposing it might arouse some suspicions about my true intentions amongst members of this forum. I am not an agent provocateur, I am not a TROLL, I do not intend to provoke a beehive, I do not advocate in favor of illegal immigration, and MUCH LESS for the legitimization of lawbreakers. I could not and would not lie to you, Elizabeth, and since you asked; yes, I am Mexican. I grew up and went to school in the United States at Private Schools, always paying out of state tuition (this brings another subject which should be dealt with in this forum, (perhaps at a later time).

I wanted to express my views on illegal immigration in this forum, and I intended to post topics with titles such as:

BOYCOTT THE BOYCOTT!

THE SEED OF CORRUPTION

WHAT KIND OF AMERICA DO YOU WANT FOR YOUR GRANDCHILDREN?

MOB RULE

BODY LANGUAGE: BUSH AND FOX IN CANCUN)

TPS

HULLABALOO


Well, I don't know what else to say, other than the following two things:

1) If I must leave this forum, there will be no hard feelings, I think you already know that I don't barge in where I am not invited.

2) Illegal immigrants intend to boycott American businesses. I have even heard local radio personalities here in Mexico City (at the local and national levels), urging us NOT TO SHOP AT WAL-MART, NOT TO EAT HAMBURGERS FROM McDONALD'S, BURGER-KING, etc.

I have heard that said event is slated to take place on April 10th, but I have also heard that it is slated for May 1st, so I am not sure.

Whatever the case, DO SHOP AT WAL-MART ON THAT DAY, Do take your husbands, your wives, your children, your relatives, families, friends and acquaintances out to eat at recognized American establishments on that very day, (those which might be boycotted), I don't think the absence of illegal alien customers could put a dent in those businesses’ finances, but just to provide a helping hand to those businesses, and dissipate the illegal immigrant’s delusions, do go to those places and spend a little.

You can bet I’ll be munching at McDonald’s, Burger King or KFC on that day. I’ll even go shop at Wal-Mart. Please give me a holler if you find out when this fiasco is supposed to take place.

Best Regards,

Martin


P.S. My uncle went to WWII, retired a full colonel from the Marines. After that, he attended law school and had a private practice. Later on, he became a District Court Judge in Ann Arbor, Michigan, and I believe he retired in 1996.

http://www.fjc.gov/servlet/tGetInfo?jid=1339

P.P.S And if I don't get to it, please do advise other forum members not to let this boycott provide any impression of success. However, if you notice any signs of intimidation from mobs, do call the authorites and the media; DO NOT CONFRONT THEM!

The lights are flickering so I better wrap this up before the lights go out.

Martin,

This site is Americans for Legal Immigration PAC, and from what you've said you certainly qualify. Don't think for a minute that you'll be subjected to anything derogatory because of your race. We do not discriminate around here.

Have you heard of Tony Dolz?

www.dolz.com

Tell me what you think...

Pine

Originally Posted by kleatherfoot

I really want to thank you for all of your kind words of encouragement. Now me and my wife and kids will live happily just knowing that the nations public is behind us

what are you talking about? if you are a citizen then she doesn't have to go anywhere because you're married.