Thread: William: Question for Ron Paul Supporters

Here's Ron Paul's strategy taken from his website.

http://www.dailypaul.com/

How Lincoln the Underdog Won the Brokered Convention of 1860
Posted February 7th, 2008 by manystrom in Abraham Lincoln Ron Paul
Thank you to Give me Liberty, for the original post.

Though this article doesn't state it, I believe Lincoln only had 22 delegates (someone correct me if I am wrong) going into the convention and he was the underdog......sound familiar?......And guess who wound up winning?

One of the most interesting American political stories involves the nomination of Abraham Lincoln to be the Republican party's candidate for President of the United States in 1860. This was the Republican party's second presidential convention, and the man everyone expected to receive the nomination was the powerful and well-known William H. Seward of New York.

Abraham Lincoln, although having recently been introduced to eastern audiences through a series of political speeches in New England, and prior to that having gained some fame due to his participation in "the Great Debates" with Stephen A. Douglas, was not considered a serious contender for the appointment. How he and his political team brought him from "dark horse" contender to the victor is the subject of the following article.

Click here to read the whole thing. Inspiring. Exciting!
http://www.greatamericanhistory.net/nomination.htm

I am going to write in Romney, or not vote.

I have been very active as a volunteer in my local Ron Paul campaign. It was my first time canvassing and distributing literature at my polling place.

One thing that was a major frustration for me, was that the majority of Republicans I spoke with were casting their votes as if this were a horse race. I can't tell you how many people I canvassed who said they really thought Ron Paul was the best candidate, but thought he couldn't win. (Now, one could argue, were they making that assumption themselves, or were they just regurgitating what is constantly being fed to them by the media?)

Maybe it's me but, when you're betting on horses you vote for who you think will be the winner. But when you're voting for the next leader of the free world, you're voting for whom you believe shares your principles and would best represent the American people. PERIOD.

Instead, many people are voting out of fear. And that fear is HILLARY. I've had people say they would vote for ANYONE if they thought that particular candidate could defeat her for the Presidency. I imagine if Musolini were alive today and running against her, many people would think we'll... he's not exactly perfect but ANYTHING is better than Hillary!! Obviously, I'm joking here (sort of), but I'm trying to make a point about this illogical way of thinking. This is EXACTLY why we continue to elect the same old corrupt do nothing politicians year after year after year. We will NEVER break this cycle unless we start voting based on our principles rather than our party! Urgghhhh.... that's really a pet peeve of mine!

Getting back to the Paul campaign, supporters have varying opinions. Lew Rockwell has an excellent article out today in FAVOR of a third party run. He argues that Ron Paul can never get a fair shake by the Republican party. (as seen by many dirty tricks being orchestrated during voting. Yesterday in NY, many people were told they couldn't vote for him because he had dropped out!! You still think we live in a free country???)

Rockwell writes that since many voters have become so alienated by the GOP, the party is near extinction anyway, so Paul might as well go for it. In the past Ron Paul was very adamently against it. But I've been hearing rumours that he may be softening. So, this is STILL a possibility.

Then there's discussion for a brokered convention. To be quite honest, I don't know much about it other than a candidate has to be only a few percentage points away from the leader in order for this to happen.

I guess some people are hoping that if the donations continue to come in, he's going to take it as far as he can go. The thinking could be that from day 1, he was the only candidate talking about the grave danger our economy is in, and how it is directly tied into our foreign policy. As the economy contiunes to slide, he is the ONLY candidate that can run circles around these guys on this issue - especially McCain. (who wants us to have 100 yr. wars) I've heard well established economists mention that Ron Paul really knows this stuff and then some. Maybe if people start seeing that McCain basically avoids this subject like the plague, and Ron Paul has an actual plan for the economy, that may win him more votes. I don't know..

Then I heard about this former Viet-Nam Vet who has plans to expose McCain for the fraud that he is with the goal being a brokered convention and the "cleansing" of the Republican party of the Leftists that have infiltrated it. It's not to support Ron Paul, but more of a revolution within the party.

I'll post more information of that in a brand new thread so that more people will see it. I guess I'm leaning toward an independent run because I've seen what is going on within the party and they are going all out to blacklist Ron Paul because he is a major threat to the corrupt establishment.

But it's not going to matter if it's McCain vs. Hillary. They are friends behind the scenes. People have to stop thinkig in terms of a two party system. The Bushes and Clintons have also been friends behind the scenes for many years. Rupert Murdoch from so called Conservative FOX News has been backing her. I'm learning that this is all an ILLUSION people! A candidate has already been choosen. It's Hillary, and they are putting up a dead horse to go against her - McCain. I wouldn't be surprised if he already knows it and has been promised some cabinet position. In a poll taken last year, out of all the GOP candidates, Ron Paul was the only one who defeated Hillary! (Probably why the media has blacklisted him) And how ironic will that be? People voting for Mccain thinking he can defeat her are actually delivering Hillary to the Whitehouse.

That's why I feel our situation is so dire and that more people need to back Ron Paul. I don't understand this hesitation for a man who clearly is a Conservative has never flip-flopped on issues, has integrity and has dedicated his life to protecting and defending the Constitution.

I apologize if I'm rambling on here and took the long way around in trying to answer William's question. I'm exhausted from campaigning. I'm disgusted from what I've seen. I have received first hand experience of how dirty politics can be (I was following polling place procedures for campaigning yet someone called to complain that I was causing a "disruption" - for just being there mind you- not to mention someone stole all my signs!) And then the rude awakening as to how corrupt our voting system truly is.

I just want my country back. I want more people to wake up, stop watching the MSM and learn to think for themselves. My personal opinion is to back Ron Paul no matter what. I'm just an average citizen. I'm not making any money out of this. Who would you rather trust? The MSM telling you who to vote for or one of your American neighbors who wants the same things in life as you?

Did you see how McCain began to steamroll once the endorsements came in? My philosophy is just do the right thing. Make a statement for the Constitution. It's not about backing who you think might win. It's about backing who you KNOW has a principled voting history and represents the vision that the founders created for our country. The more people who do this, the more people will follow. I fear our country is running out of time. But we CAN do this if we just open our eyes and have the courage to stand up for principles than any particular party. Afterall, there are more of us than them!

Did you see how McCain began to steamroll once the endorsements came in? My philosophy is just do the right thing. Make a statement for the Constitution. It's not about backing who you think might win. It's about backing who you KNOW has a principled voting history and represents the vision that the founders created for our country. The more people who do this, the more people will follow. I fear our country is running out of time. But we CAN do this if we just open our eyes and have the courage to stand up for principles than any particular party. Afterall, there are more of us than them!

Ron Pauls speech he gave today will be broadcast on C-Span at 10:30 tonight or can be viewed on CNN site.

I am hearing it is his best speech,very powerful.

I hope this helps answer your question.....


HERE IS THE DELEGATE PROCESS...from an official campaign coordinator
Posted February 6th, 2008 by bedr1
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/34640#comment-297644

DELEGATE PROCESS FOR ALL 50 STATES
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/uploads/pdf/125.pdf


below info was copied from the Ron Paul forum:

WANT TO WIN? THERE IS STILL TIME TO BECOME A DELEGATE IN MOST STATES !!! - By LK | February 6, 2008
http://www.ronpaulforum.com/showthread.php?t=303808

Chloe..that was great. I certainly believe that the GOP has been a ball and chain for Ron Paul from the beginning. I am PRAYING that he will run independent. He will get SO many votes and supporters. What do they do about delegates for independents??? Delegates seem to be everything. I have to look at the libertarian party site and see if they say anything about delegates.

I had the same problem at my polling place..i was working exit poll and the deputy told me I had to be 100 ft away. I said..oh no..I can be right here at the door...if i was handing out election material..i would have to be 100 ft away or waving a sign. They did not like it ONE bit..but they called and I was right. I bet I have had at least 1000 people say they liked Ron paul but he couldn't win.

We are in deep kimchee ..that's for sure.

I did find out some good news. Mitt Romneys superdelegates will go back to the pool..and the other delegates will go to the convention as undetermined. So, They just might vote for Ron Paul because their only other options are huckabee and mccain.

Chloe that was absolutely eloquent and summed up every RP supporters feelings.

You are not alone in your utter frustration. There are many of us. Unfortunately the sheeple outnumber us. Nobody said revolution was easy.

Keep it up.

The campaign could tell you far better than I about the delegate situation. There are also involved discussions about it on the Daily Paul website.

My limited understanding of it is that although a candidate wins the popular vote,another candidate can get most of the delegates and that's what counts. I think he might have a chance in that respect and in my honest opinion he is far better than McCain,Huckabee,Obama or Clinton.

He's a committed Constitutionalist and in his speech at CPAC today spoke of the need for strong border security. He also has introduced a bill to end birthright citizenship. He also said that he is for a strong national defense.

I'm sorry to break the news but IMHO you have to look to the fact that aproximately 50% of the voting populous of the country is going to vote Democrat (probably more because of BUSH's high negatives).....if Paul would run independent there is not enough votes to "share" with McCain to win the election (unless people actually believe that scores of new voters will suddenly vote).

Paul has a message that would get widespread support but you WONT hear it on MSM!!! That is proven.

If you are serious about our sovereignty and freedom it will take real patriots excercising their 2nd ammendment rights as the founders intended to prevent from being abused by tyrants. We are there people. How much more abuse do you have to stomach before we excercise our "DUTY" under the Declaration of independence, "When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another . . . " Certainly the concept of "disbanding" was not foreign to those who started this country. And, as Alexander Hamilton stated in Federalist No. 33 (January 3, 178: "If the federal government should overpass the just bounds of its authority and make a tyrannical use of its powers, the people, whose creature it is, must appeal to the standard they have formed, and take such measures to redress the injury done to the Constitution as the exigency may suggest and prudence justify." That sort of suggests secession was an option at some point.

Time to actually stop sitting by watching it crumble and make sacrafices of our lives and fortunes for our future happiness and security. We all ready know that socialism is THEFT and DOES NOT WORK (the Dems and McCain are domestic enemies of private property and the Constitution).