Thread: Barack Obama's citizenship questioned

Originally Posted by MinutemanCDC_SC

We already have that. It is called the conscience, which, when combined with the oath to support and defend the Constitution, is supposed to accomplish that purpose . . . among "a religious people," at least, i.e. "God-fearing, Bible-believing, born-again Christians," or "Christians", however you prefer - the "98%" of Americans at the time of the 1790 census. The other 2% were Catholics, along with a few Jews and Turks and freethinkers, and an occasional Mohammedan or Hindu.

Alternately, we might have a right to expect Big Uncle to have a population-proportioned number of the remote cams tracking Cabinet members, Congress persons, Court clerks and judges, and IRS, DHS, DOJ, and FBI agents - you know, the people who could really do some damage as part of a rogue government.

Ah, but there's the rub. From fraud examination statistics we know that about 30% of the population is hopelessly corrupt, that 30% are hopelessly honest, and that the middle 40% are situationally corrupt. When times are good, people are less likely to be corrupt, and conversely, when times are tough, people will lie, cheat, and steal to survive. We are living in tough times, brought to us by the hopelessly corrupt in government. The sad thing here is (and we can tell this is happening by mere observation), the more corrupt attract the rest of the corrupt and thus the system breaks down. Hmm, obama couldn't have said it more accurately.

"As any intelligent observer surveys the world's economic and political landscape, he has to be disturbed – even dismayed and a bit frightened – by the gravity and number of problems that mark the horizon. We're confronted by economic depression, looming financial chaos, serious currency inflation, onerous taxation, crippling regulation, developing police states and, worst of all, the prospect of a major war. It seems almost unbelievable that we are talking of the US – which historically has been the land of the free."

Here's the rest of this thought provoking article by Doug Casey entitled "The Ascendance of Sociopaths in US Governance" The Ascendence of Sociopaths in US Governance by Doug Casey

Originally Posted by HighlanderJuan

Here's the rest of this thought provoking article by Doug Casey entitled "The Ascendance of Sociopaths in US Governance" The Ascendence of Sociopaths in US Governance by Doug Casey

Nothing like a good, healthy dose of raw reality
to make a man appreciate a good anti-depressant or a stiff drink.

The Obama Birth Certificate Fraud Explodes; VOTING FRAUD 2008 DNC exposes what to expect

WND article and video at the link

Hollywood producer heard Bill Clinton say Obama ineligible

I quote here the first half of the WND article to which AirborneSapper7 linked, lest anyone miss the important fact that Barack Obama's ineligibility for office was well known and commonly understood among DNC delegates committed to Hillary Clinton for President in 2008.

Originally Posted by Jerome Corsi, Ph. D., for WorldNetDaily

A successful Hollywood producer who had an insider’s view of Hillary Clinton’s 2008 presidential campaign claims she heard Bill Clinton say that Barack Obama is not eligible to be president.

Bettina Viviano – who started her own film production company in 1990 after serving as vice president of production for Steven Spielberg’s Amblin Entertainment – told WND that it was common knowledge among delegates committed to Hillary that the Clintons believed Obama was constitutionally ineligible and that Bill Clinton would eventually disclose his belief to the public.

The Clintons were the original “birthers,” Viviano told WND in an interview in Los Angeles.

“Everybody who has called this a conspiracy from the Republicans or the tea party, they need to know who started it – the Democrats,” she said.

“It was Hillary and Bill, and it percolated up from there,” said Viviano, who had access to the campaign through a documentary she produced on the claims of delegates that Obama and the Democratic National Committee were stealing the nomination from Hillary.

As WND reported, Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio and his team investigating Obama’s eligibility believe there is probable cause that the documents released by the White House as Obama’s long-form birth certificate and Selective Service registration form are forgeries.

Viviano said that she was on a conference phone call during the primary season in the spring of 2008 in which she heard Bill Clinton refer to Obama as ineligible for the presidency.

In the course of the phone conversation with Hillary delegates, she recalled, Bill Clinton spoke of Obama as “the non-citizen.”

“In the world we were in, with [Hillary's] super-delegates and delegates, it just was, ‘He’s not legit – that’s the end of it, period, end of story.’ It wasn’t up for discussion,” Viviano said.

Michele Thomas, a Hillary campaigner from Los Angeles, confirmed to WND that she learned from “many people who were close to Hillary” that Obama “was not eligible to be president.”

Thomas led a nationwide petition drive among delegates to force a vote on Hillary’s nomination at the convention after then-DNC Chairman Howard Dean announced her name would not be put into nomination and Obama would be declared the winner by unanimous acclamation.

Viviano said that it was understood that Bill Clinton would eventually go public with his contention that Obama was ineligible for the presidency.

“He, I believe, was frothing at the mouth to tell the truth about Obama,” she said.

In the meantime, she recalled, the former president would make ironic references in public in which he “teetered” on revealing he position.

“He would go on camera,” Viviano said, “and jokingly make comments about, you know, ‘Is Obama qualified to be president? Well, if he’s 35 and a wink, wink, United States citizen, I guess he’s qualified.’”

She claimed, however, that Bill Clinton’s intention to unequivocally state to the public that Obama was ineligible was stopped in its tracks by the murder of a close friend of the Clintons, Arkansas Democratic Party Chairman Bill Gwatney, just two weeks before the Democratic National Convention in Denver.

Gwatney was killed Aug. 13, 2008, when a 50-year-old man entered Democratic Party headquarters in Little Rock and shot him three times. Police killed the murderer after a chase, and investigators found no motive.

The Clintons said in a statement that they were “stunned and shaken” by the killing of their “cherished friend and confidante.”

Viviano said a campaign staffer who was close to Hillary, whose name she requested be withheld for security reasons, told her Gwatney’s murder was a message to Bill Clinton.

“I was told by this person that that was ‘Shut up, Bill, or you’re next,’” she said.

The campaign adviser, according to Viviano, said that despite the intimidation and threats, Bill Clinton was prepared to speak out about Obama’s eligibility

“And then,” Viviano said, paraphrasing the staffer, “they went in and said, ‘OK, it’s your daughter, now, we’ll go after.’

“And then Bill never said anything.”

Others in the campaign who believe Gwatney’s murder was a message to the Clintons think it had to do with the fact that Gwatney was resisting an effort by the Obama campaign and the party to intimidate Hillary delegates into voting for Obama.

Continued at Hollywood producer heard Bill Clinton say Obama ineligible

During football season this fall, if Mr. Obama still has not been removed from office, we have the option of calling the usurper-in-chief
"the ineligible deceiver in the field" of Presidential candidates.

Claim: Obama Campaign Threatened Life of Chelsea Clinton to Keep Parents Silent on Obama's Ineligibility


Submitted by Charleston Voice on Thu, 04/05/2012 - 13:21
Politics & Law

Most people in the US, especially Democrats, believe that the Obama Birther Movement was started by Republicans and or the Tea Party. They believe it is a smear campaign aimed to tarnish the image of their hero of change. But they may be shocked to learn that the Birther Movement was actually started by former President Bill Clinton and Hillary back in 2008...



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Feds Attempt to Install Embedded Monitor In Sheriff Arpaio’s Office As His Cold Case Posse Continues Their Obama Investigation

The Intel Hub
April 6, 2012

The Department of Justice is currently carrying out a large scale investigation into what they have called racial profiling throughout Arizona Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s office.

These so far unproven charges come as Arpaio continues his groundbreaking cold case posse investigation into Obama’s fraudulent birth certificate and Selective Service card.

Negotiations between the two sides have come to a halt after Arpaio, refusing to bow to a clear cut federal power grab, refused to allow a government run embedded monitor in his office.

An article from Abc News essentially came from the controlled government perspective that it is somehow odd that an elected sheriff would not let the federal government hijack his department.

The Justice Department has cut off negotiations with Sheriff Joe Arpaio and officials with the Maricopa County, Ariz., Sheriff’s Office in its effort to install an independent monitor to rein in the unconstitutional tactics used by officers there.

Arpaio, who calls himself “America’s Toughest Sheriff,” defied the Justice Department suggestion that it could sue the county and the sheriff’s office to force the issue.

“I am the constitutionally and legitimately elected Sheriff and I absolutely refuse to surrender my responsibility to the federal government,” he said in a letter the Justice Department today. “And so to the Obama administration, who is attempting to strong arm me into submission only for its political gain, I say, ‘This will not happen, not on my watch!

Meanwhile, the chief prosecutor of Maricopa County Arizona has accused the DOJ of spreading misinformation and attempting to foment unrest in Arizona.

Demanding that the feds put up or shut up, Maricopa County Attorney Bill Montgomery has called out the Federal Government with his clear and public call for information on the case to be released, if it exists.

Maricopa County Attorney Bill Montgomery accused federal officials of spreading misinformation and trying to foment unrest in Maricopa County by not providing proof that Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s agency engages in discriminatory police practices.

Montgomery on Wednesday made his strongest statements yet about the investigation into Arpaio’s office, calling on the U.S. Department of Justice to “put up or shut up” by disclosing what evidence it has in its case.
……..
“I want to make it absolutely clear: If the Department of Justice actually has information that supports their assertion that there continue to this day systemic concerns of discriminatory policing or racial profiling, I demand — I demand as the chief prosecutor of Maricopa County, I demand as the duly elected officer with responsibility for prosecutions — to be given that information immediately,” Montgomery said. “This posturing, this playing hide the ball in the context of civil litigation, is disgusting, particularly when it involves criminal prosecutions.” Source: AZCentral

In an article on Infowars.com, Patrick Henningsen pointed out the connections between the racial profiling investigation and Obama’s push to secure the Hispanic vote as well as the Cold Case Posse’s investigation into Obama himself.

There may be other political reasons to force an Arpaio resignation in 2012, besides what critics claim as currying favor with Arizona’s hispanic voting bloc before the November elections. Not least of all, is because of the Sheriff’s Office’s own Cold Case Posse law enforcement investigation into the validity of President Obama’s birth certificate and Selective Service draft card.

According to his team, early returns for the investigation have turned up conclusive evidence on two counts. “What we are looking at is two possible forged government documents”, explains Arpaio.

In the past Arapio has publicly claimed that the DOJ is targeting over a dozen different sheriffs throughout the country in a bid to fully control locally elected sheriffs.

You can watch an interview with Sheriff Arpaio from the local CBS affiliate below:

Feds Attempt to Install Embedded Monitor In Sheriff Arpaio’s Office As His Cold Case Posse Continues Their Obama Investigation :

DOJ Attempts to Install Their Own ‘Embedded Monitor’ in Sheriff Joe’s Office

Patrick Henningsen
Infowars.com
April 6, 2012

PHOENIX – Arizona continues to set the stage as a battleground pitting local and state’s rights against the federal government’s inclination to control how states are allowed to govern their own affairs.

The Department of Justice in Washington has accused Sheriff Joe Arapio’s Office of engaging in what they describe as ‘racial profiling and mistreatment of illegals aliens and hispanics’ and alleged ‘human rights violations’ in its patrols and jails.

The DOJ has refused to present any of its alleged evidence to support their charges, yet, they are still moving forward and are threatening to sue if Arpaio does not comply. Not intimidated by Washington’s threats, Maricopa County’s own Attorney General Bill Mongomery told the DOJ yesterday, “put up or shut up”.

Negotiations between the Sheriff’s Office and the DOJ came to a halt on Tuesday when Arpaio flatly refused to allow a court-appointed embedded DOJ ”monitor” stationed in his office full-time, a move which many critics describe as a federal power-grab, aimed at controlling Arpaio, a duly elected office holder representing 4.5 million residents in the Phoenix area.

Maricopa County is not the only Sheriff’s office under DOJ investigation. Arpaio explains, “They been investigating 20 other departments recently with their civil rrights unit in the Department of Justice.” In an earlier FOX interview last December, Arpaio stated flatly, “I’m not going to back down because of politics, because the President wants to get the hispanic vote.”

“What is this, a poker game? They want to go to court, we’ll be glad to meet them in court”, blasted Arpaio.



The DOJ has already spent millions of dollars to date through their three year investigation into Arpaio’s office, including applying pressure on Arpaio to resign as elected Sheriff.

If a compromise cannot be reached between the two parties, the DOJ contends that it will file a federal lawsuit against Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office, a legal battle which is likely to cost millions for both sides, and could drag on for years.

There may be other political reasons to force an Arpaio resignation in 2012, besides what critics claim as currying favor with Arizona’s hispanic voting bloc before the November elections. Not least of all, is because of the Sheriff’s Office’s own Cold Case Posse law enforcement investigation into the validity of President Obama’s birth certificate and Selective Service draft card.

According to his team, early returns for the investigation have turned up conclusive evidence on two counts. “What we are looking at is two possible forged government documents”, explains Arpaio.

On the strength of Arpaio’s investigation into Obama, the Arizona State Legislature went on to draft HB 2480 that would require Barack Obama to prove his eligibility as a US President, and would also determine whether his name would appear on the state ballot come November.

Since the Obama I.D. bill was lodged two weeks ago, it has met with some resistance, being intentionally held-up by certain members of the state senate.

Regardless of the outcome of HB 2480, the Sheriff’s Office says they will remain steadfast in their investigation, and will continue to follow-up on evidence of forgery and fraud in the Obama case.

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That's some really good reporting about some really bad news, AirborneSapper 7.

Is Sheriff Joe Arpaio, God bless him, somehow immune to the "persuasions" from the Obama Campaign or its associates, which have threatened, intimidated, and coerced every other law enforcement or judicial authority in the country?

Donald Young, choir director at the Rev. Jeremiah Wright's "black liberation theology" church, and another unsavory male contact were murdered in Chicago-land before they could out Mr. Obama for his politically-inconvenient social activities.

Quarles Harris was murdered in Washington northeast, D.C., before he could blow the whistle on the cleaning up or cauterization of Mr. Obama's passport file at the State Dept. by two employees of John Brennan's The Analysis Corporation. Shortly thereafter, Mr. Obama tapped John Brennan to be his counter-terrorism czar.

In Seattle, Obama ineligibility attorney Stephen Pidgeon endured for months a constant tail by three black Suburbans of the federal government.

In Santa Ana, Calif., U.S. District Judge David O. Carter was made to have a change of opinion by means of something that induced terror all the way down to his U.S. Marine Corps boots.

At Ft. Meade, Maryland, Dr. Terry Lakin was denied a fair trial, not allowed to present his defense, and railroaded by a kangaroo court into spending five months in the stockade at Ft. Leavenworth, after which the State of Colorado denied Dr. Lakin a license to practice medicine as a physician.

At least 75 other eligibility cases were dismissed by federal judges for lack of standing/jurisdiction or some other equally preposterous or cowardly reason.

So, how is Sheriff Joe not affected by the seemingly ever-present intimidation, threats, and coercion from unprincipled muscle in the shadows and minions of evil sniping from the dark side?

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VIDEO: Hollywood Producer Bettina Viviano Claims Obama Ineligible

Monday, April 09, 2012 – by Staff Report

Clintons Knew Obama Ineligible & DNC Primary Fraud - Claims Hollywood Producer ... Hollywood Producer Bettina Viviano says that the Clintons were the original birthers and people were silenced and threatened. Also talks about voter fraud in the Democrat Primaries. Watch Sheriff Joe Arpaio's Press Conference before passing judgment! Then if you still think its crap, knock yourself out with the comments. – YouTube

Dominant Social Theme: The crackpot truthers ought to go away. They're just confusing the issue.

Free-Market Analysis: Now someone else has come out and claimed that US President Barack Obama is not eligible to hold the country's highest office because he was not a "natural born citizen."
Hollywood producer Bettina Viviano (see excerpt above) claims that both Bill and Hillary Clinton were aware that Obama was not eligible for the country's highest office, but that murder and intimidation were used to shut down any potential accusations.

Viviano, who started her own film production company in 1990 after serving as vice president of production for Steven Spielberg's Amblin Entertainment, told Jerome Corsi of the alternative media's World Net Daily that it was "common knowledge" the Clinton's knew about Obama's ineligibility.

Viviano filmed a documentary of the Hillary Clinton campaign called "We Will Not Be Silenced" about voter fraud intended to ensure that Clinton lost the nomination to Obama. Eventually, she did.
But Viviano claims that voter fraud was rife throughout the Clinton/Obama primary contests. She even claims that Bill Gwatney, State Chair of the Democratic Party of Arkansas and a former Arkansas Senator, was murdered as a warning to Bill Clinton to keep quiet.

She adds it was well known throughout Hillary's campaign that sooner or later the accusations would be aired, probably by Bill Clinton. However they never were − perhaps because Clinton perceived Gwatney's death as a personal threat.

On August 13, 2008, Gwatney was shot by Timothy Dale Johnson at Democratic Party headquarters in Little Rock, Arkansas. Gwatney was taken to a hospital, but died at 3:59 pm CDT. The gunman was captured but no motive was ever discovered for the shooting.

Recently, the allegations have been in the news once again. On March 31, Arizona Sheriff Joe Arpaio presented preliminary findings claiming that Barack Obama's birth certificate − recently released by the White House – was a forgery. He later claimed that Obama's draft registration was a forgery as well.

Watch the Viviano/Corsi interview here.



(Video from pmpowell001's YouTube user channel.)

The Daily Bell - VIDEO: Hollywood Producer Bettina Viviano Claims Obama Ineligible

Originally Posted by AirborneSapper7

Hollywood Producer Bettina Viviano Claims Obama Ineligible

It's hard to imagine how this conflict of civilizations could be won one person at a time . . .
unless one of those persons was a media person with a large audience or following.