Thread: Donald Trump administration seeks to detain illegal immigrant families indefinitely

Originally Posted by jtdc

No, you truly want to put up roadblocks to enforcing the law. We have seen reports that illegal aliens said that if they knew they would be separated if they came into this country illegally, they would not have come. But you will look for that one illegal alien who will not take no for an answer and make them your poster person for your denial!

Ship them to Gitmo!

Wow! What a fantasy!

It won't. But you falsely claim there has been no argument against it.

I think Judy's Plan B will solve the problem. But if you want to keep on keeping on with old ideas that haven't worked in 20 years, you're of course free to do so. They claim when you keep doing the same things over and over seeking a different outcome than you had before, it's the definition of insanity.

Originally Posted by Judy

I think Judy's Plan B will solve the problem.

Only ideally! It would be more complicated than what we have available to us now.

As I noted, in order for foreign governments to enforce those who invade our country, we would have to allow their operatives the authority to hunt them down in our country.

To keep their people in, they would have to build a wall around their country to keep their people in. Do you remember The Berlin Wall? That's your solution.

Originally Posted by Judy

But if you want to keep on keeping on with old ideas that haven't worked in 20 years, you're of course free to do so.

The problem is laws we have had for 20 years haven't been enforced for 20 years. Like many politicians, you want another law for everybody to ignore, just so you can feel good. As long as we give birthright citizenship to alien children born here, then give the family money for them, give them driver's licenses and the ability to live here without fear of deportation (sanctuary), we will keep attracting them.

Originally Posted by jtdc

Only ideally! It would be more complicated than what we have available to us now.

As I noted, in order for foreign governments to enforce those who invade our country, we would have to allow their operatives the authority to hunt them down in our country.

To keep their people in, they would have to build a wall around their country to keep their people in. Do you remember The Berlin Wall? That's your solution.

The problem is laws we have had for 20 years haven't been enforced for 20 years. Like many politicians, you want another law for everybody to ignore, just so you can feel good. As long as we give birthright citizenship to alien children born here, then give the family money for them, give them driver's licenses and the ability to live here without fear of deportation (sanctuary), we will keep attracting them.

It affects the citizens and businesses, the government won't have to keep them in, they'll stop coming because of what sanctions do to their whole country, their families will stop telling them to come here because under sanctions they won't be able to send money back home to them. I don't know where you got the idea that their governments would be doing things to them. Sanctions shuts off all money from the United States, it shuts it off to businesses as well as individuals. Their governments will realize immediately the implications and consequences and they'll get on the TV and Radio and send out press releases to their newspapers about what we're going to do if this crap doesn't stop. It will stop in a matter of days.

Originally Posted by Judy

It affects the citizens and businesses, the government won't have to keep them in, they'll stop coming because of what sanctions do to their whole country, their families will stop telling them to come here because under sanctions they won't be able to send money back home to them.

So Judy thinks these aliens who pay coyotes money to get here, and risk being separated from their children, ARE CONCERNED CITIZENS OF THEIR COUNTRY WHO WOULD STOP COMING HERE TO KEEP THAT COUNTRY, THEY LOVE SO MUCH THAT THEY PAY MONEY TO GET OUT OF, FROM GETTING FINED!

Originally Posted by Judy

Sanctions shuts off all money from the United States, it shuts it off to businesses as well as individuals.

So you are saying that if they come illegally to this country, the businesses that they don't want to work for in their country will be hurt, so they will lose the job they left the country because they don't want!

Originally Posted by Judy

Their governments will realize immediately the implications and consequences and they'll get on the TV and Radio and send out press releases to their newspapers about what we're going to do if this crap doesn't stop.

That they will build a "Berlin Wall" and put armed military to keep them from escaping to the U.S....if they don't quit escaping to the U.S.

Originally Posted by Judy

It will stop in a matter of days.

DREAM ON!

Why not try it and see what happens? It will work and work quick. Doesn't cost US anything to find out.

Originally Posted by Judy

Why not try it and see what happens?

We would have to enact new legislation! Apparently you just love us making more laws.

Originally Posted by Judy

It will work and work quick.

About as quick as getting the wall built?

Originally Posted by Judy

Doesn't cost US anything to find out.

We would need to document each illegal alien, which means we have the same expense we have now. There would be legal challenges for each claimed illegal alien, which would cost more money. Now, maybe after a year or two of litigation on each case, we would justify fining the country from which they came, if the country doesn't deny that they come from that country.

These, in addition to those I already listed, would make your "simple" plan anything but quick, easy, and economical. The best solution is to stop our giveaways and enforce the laws we already have on the books.

"Imagine there's no country"! If you can dream it, it will come true, right?

Originally Posted by jtdc

We would have to enact new legislation! Apparently you just love us making more laws.

About as quick as getting the wall built?

We would need to document each illegal alien, which means we have the same expense we have now. There would be legal challenges for each claimed illegal alien, which would cost more money. Now, maybe after a year or two of litigation on each case, we would justify fining the country from which they came, if the country doesn't deny that they come from that country.

These, in addition to those I already listed, would make your "simple" plan anything but quick, easy, and economical. The best solution is to stop our giveaways and enforce the laws we already have on the books.

"Imagine there's no country"! If you can dream it, it will come true, right?

You don't need any new legislation for Judy's Plan B. The President can order economic sanctions on these countries tomorrow subject to a notice period, 10 to 30 days. What are you talking about "claims for each illegal alien", "expense we have now"? We don't have to document anything, other than the normal arrest records at the borders and ports we already have to determine the countries we're sanctioning. What are you talking about "lawsuits for each claimed illegal alien"? The sanctions aren't based on individual illegal aliens. The sanctions are countrywide based on illegal immigration from that country, not based on some "cost" per illegal alien. The sanctions aren't to reimburse us, the sanctions are to stop it. We aren't asking them for any money, so there are no lawsuits, we're cutting off their US money, no aid from or trade with the United States until it all stops.

Do you not understand what economic sanctions are? It's what we're doing to Iran, Russia, and North Korea on trade, now Palestine and Pakistan on aid. It will stop it cold in a matter of days at no cost to the United States. It will stop before the sanctions even go into effect. Most of these countries are friendly countries, they already know we're fed up with illegal immigration from their countries and they're on thin ice with the United States on this issue. This will bring that home for them, give it some real meaning for them, put some meat on the bones of our talks with them.

It's an ideal solution to stop the flow and it will work so well and so fast that we can then ramp it up to include those already in the country, give them 90 days notice on that. We'll still be enforcing our laws and doing everything else we do.

Originally Posted by Judy

It affects the citizens and businesses, the government won't have to keep them in, they'll stop coming because of what sanctions do to their whole country, their families will stop telling them to come here because under sanctions they won't be able to send money back home to them. I don't know where you got the idea that their governments would be doing things to them. Sanctions shuts off all money from the United States, it shuts it off to businesses as well as individuals. Their governments will realize immediately the implications and consequences and they'll get on the TV and Radio and send out press releases to their newspapers about what we're going to do if this crap doesn't stop. It will stop in a matter of days.

You're whole premise is contrary to the freedoms we stand for. You're basically saying an entire country should imprison it's people within its own borders or suffer the wrath of the United States. If I've said it once, I've said it ten times .... it's our federal governments responsibility to secure our own borders from unwanted intrusion! Your propensity to blame others for our own failures is ridiculous. You would be much better served to place the blame where it belongs and that's on our elected representatives and to some extend those of us that vote for them. It's our job to fix this, whether it be through better written immigration laws, changing policies, tougher enforcement, a border wall, a combination of all the above, or whatever. Blaming other countries for our own failures rings empty IMO.

LOL!! You're blaming Americans for something we didn't do, cause or are responsible for, so what does that make you? A Trump Hater who doesn't want a solution, because what else would you have to attack him on?? NOTHING. Illegal immigration is your only Hate Trump Card you've got left.

So obvious, so pathetic.

Originally Posted by Judy

LOL!! You're blaming Americans for something we didn't do, cause or are responsible for, so what does that make you? A Trump Hater who doesn't want a solution, because what else would you have to attack him on?? NOTHING. Illegal immigration is your only Hate Trump Card you've got left.

So obvious, so pathetic.

Wow, you're in full defense mode tonight. I tell the truth and you jump all over me as a Trump hater and make my comment something it wasn't? Your obfuscation skills, while used frequently, are so very weak. You may want to consider bushing up on that. Just saying.

MW wrote:

You're whole premise is contrary to the freedoms we stand for. You're basically saying an entire country should imprison it's people within its own borders or suffer the wrath of the United States. If I've said it once, I've said it ten times .... it's our federal governments responsibility to secure our own borders from unwanted intrusion! Your propensity to blame others for our own failures is ridiculous. You would be much better served to place the blame where it belongs and that's on our elected representatives and to some extend those of us that vote for them. It's our job to fix this, whether it be through better written immigration laws, changing policies, tougher enforcement, a border wall, a combination of all the above, or whatever. Blaming other countries for our own failures rings empty IMO.

Where did I directly attack Trump? You need to quit seeing a Trump hating boogeyman behind every corner and wake up to the reality of what's really going on. I fully understand why you're so jumpy and defensive. Trump has received a lot of negative press as of late, but my post certainly wasn't a 'picking on Trump' post. So, lower your hackles and see things for what they are.