Thread: Guardsmen overrun at the Border

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Date: January 6, 2007

Armed Mexicans Attack Unarmed National Guard Troops on US Soil

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by Jim Kouri, CPP

In a story that should have rang alarm bells in very newsroom across the nation, armed Mexican entered the United States and attacked unarmed National Guard troops working at a border patrol post near the US-Mexican border. The troops had to retreat to safety.

Not surprisingly, the news story received scant coverage by the mainstream news media and hardly a mention on the Fox News Channel. It's a story that should outrage all Americans including President George W. Bush.

Unfortunately, President Bush and his Administration did not even comment on this vicious attack on unarmed US troops as well as the unbridled assault on American sovereignty. During a press conference held on Friday afternoon by Secretary of Homeland Security Michael Chertoff, there was not one word about this unprovoked attack on soldiers.

According to syndicated columnist and journalist Sher Zieve, the attack was initiated by several Mexican nations at about 1:00 AM (et) Thursday morning at one of the National Guard entrance identification team posts near Sasabe. The troops retreated to safety. According to KVOA TV News reports in Tucson, AZ, no shots were fired and no one suffered injuries.

The US Border Patrol is conducting an investigation into the attack. Investigators are attempting to determine who the armed men were, what they were doing and why they approached the post before returning to Mexico.

A Border Patrol agent, who requested anonymity, says that the well-armed intruders were drug traffickers who are fully aware US National Guard troops are prohibited from carrying any type of weapon and have been ordered not to confront lawbreakers coming across the border. The Guard troops are not allowed to apprehend illegal entrants, as well.

"Basically, the National Guard troops are doing what private groups such as the Minuteman Project have done at US borders -- observe and report," said a Homeland Security Department official.

What he failed to mention is that the Minutemen didn't cost taxpayers millions of dollars to just stand at the border unarmed and act as the eyes and ears of the already stretched-thin Border patrol agents.

"We don't know if this was a matter of somebody coming up accidentally on the individuals, coming up intentionally on the individuals, or some sort of a diversion," Rob Daniels, spokesman for the Border Patrol's Tucson Sector told KVOA News.

The west desert corridor has been the busiest in the Tucson Sector for marijuana seizures since last year. According to Immigration and Customs Enforcement, agents have seized 124,000 pounds of marijuana there since October 1, 2006.

With more Border Patrol agents and National Guard troops patrolling the Arizona section of the U.S.-Mexican border, it has become more difficult to smuggle drugs and people across may have caused drug and human smugglers to become more aggressive.

Since arriving in mid-June, the Guard has assisted the Border Patrol by manning control rooms, doing vehicle and helicopter maintenance, repairing roads and fences, constructing vehicle barriers and fences and spotting and reporting illegal entrants in entrance identification teams.

There are dozens of National Guard entrance identification teams along the Mexican border, including east and west of both Nogales and Sasabe and on the Tohono O'odham Nation. All of the teams are unarmed.

"This is one of the most expensive dog-and-pony shows dreamed up by the Washington establishment in recent history. Imagine using trained troops on the US border unarmed and prohibited from taking action. It's a scam," says Mike Baker, a political analyst.

Hardly a mention on FOX??? is was the first story at 5E/4C on The bih story with john gibson and he even had some guy with weneedafence, or buildafence. what ever that websight is. spent about 6-8 minute on this...

As for bush, did we actually expect this moron to comment on something as serious as this?? hell he was two BP agents to go to jail for doing their job. he dont care about what happens. Hes a two faced liar.

This paragraph does not sit too well with me........
A Border Patrol agent, who requested anonymity, says that the well-armed intruders were drug traffickers who are fully aware US National Guard troops are prohibited from carrying any type of weapon and have been ordered not to confront lawbreakers coming across the border. The Guard troops are not allowed to apprehend illegal entrants, as well.

"Basically, the National Guard troops are doing what private groups such as the Minuteman Project have done at US borders -- observe and report," said a Homeland Security Department official.

Well then, according to Bush, wouldn't that make them like 'vigilantes'?

Guard wasn't overrun by gunmen, official says

Matthew Benson
The Arizona Republic
Jan. 5, 2007 07:42 PM


National Guard approached at the border
Border attack raises security concerns
Men who came across border to confront guardsmen dressed like paramilitary fighters

A Border Patrol official says National Guard troops acted appropriately this week when they abandoned their post near the border southwest of Tucson as four gunmen approached from Mexico.

It's the nearest that Guard members have come to an armed conflict on the border since spring when President Bush pledged up to 6,000 troops to help slow illegal immigration along the United States' 1,950-mile southern border. advertisement

No shots were fired in the incident and no one was injured. Border Patrol spokesman Mario Martinez stressed that "there was no attack."

But he added, "It's a serious situation. We're not trying to say it wasn't a serious situation. We've never had an incident where there were gunmen this close to a post."

It also raises questions in the eyes of critics who say the border mission has placed Guard troops in an awkward position. Guardsmen are strictly in a backup role along the border. That means performing administrative functions, building roads and fences - even conducting surveillance in some cases, such as with the team near Tucson.

But they're never to confront or attempt to apprehend border crossers.

"What are we paying our National Guard to do (along the border)? That is the question," said Don Goldwater , who led a failed campaign for governor last year on his promise to crack down on illegal immigration. "We're putting the National Guard down in harm's way along the border with no intention to allow them to protect themselves."

Goldwater is the nephew of former Arizona Senator and presidential candidate Barry Goldwater.

The armed confrontation occurred around 11 p.m. Wednesday near Sasabe , about a quarter-mile north of the border. A team of four or five Guard troops, armed with M-16s , were watching for border crossers at an observation post when they spotted four men carrying what appeared to be rifles, Martinez said.

As the men came closer, the Guard troops left their post and called for the Border Patrol.

"In order to not be detected, they moved to a safer location," Martinez said. "That's exactly what we want them to do.

"They're armed for their protection. Once they are afraid for their lives, they can defend themselves.

"That was not the case."

Border Patrol agents responded within minutes and scoured the area by helicopter and on the ground, but the gunmen were not located. Their tracks showed that they had arrived near the observation post after crossing into the United States from Mexico.

Armed individuals crossing remote areas of the border typically are smuggling drugs, Martinez said, though it's unknown who the gunmen were in this incident. It's also uncertain whether the men were scouting the observation post, testing National Guard response, or merely stumbled upon the troops.

Martinez wouldn't say whether troops have since returned to the observation post, but noted that "we're still monitoring the area. We'll probably be monitoring the area closely for a while."

Gov. Janet Napolitano's staff was briefed about the incident by the Arizona National Guard, but deferred comment to the U.S. Department of Homeland Security. A spokesman from that office did not respond to a phone message left by the Arizona Republic.

Barrett Marson , a spokesman for state House Speaker Jim Weiers , said "legislative leaders have not been briefed on the situation, but would like some information."

State Sen. Chuck Gray , a Republican and retired Mesa police officer, was surprised that Guard members would run in the face of an armed threat - unless they were seeking protective cover.

"I can tell you, as a police officer of 10 years, there was never a policy to flee," he said. "If they're running for cover, that's different than running away."

Illegal immigration moved to the forefront of American politics in the last few years. Polling consistently has shown it as one of the top issues in the minds of Arizonans, and Napolitano and New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson declared border emergencies for their respective states in August 2005.

Nearly one year ago to the day, Napolitano used her State of the State address to call for the federal government to pay for the deployment of the National Guard to the border. In the spring, she got her wish with President Bush's announcement of Operation Jump Start - a plan to use thousands of Guard members to tighten the border until new Border Patrol agents can be hired and trained.

Roughly 5,700 Guard members now are stationed along the border, more than a quarter of whom are in Arizona. It is hoped that they can be pulled back by 2008.

Initial reports indicate the program has reduced illegal crossings. Apprehensions in the four border states were down 11.4 percent in Arizona from 2005 to 2006, and down 8.5 percent for the four border states.

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Here's another update!

Dixie

Why should this surprise us when our citizens have been threatened for years? If our politicians allow little old ladies to be terrified, why should they care about the National Guard? We already allow the rest of the world to take advantage of our generosity and our laws, why not allow Mexico to publicly humiliate us?

This is an act of war.

This along with the GPS satellite devices to illegal Aliens are acts of war.

Mexico is pushing the "what are you going to do about it" acts of war envelope.

Mexico knows the utter fear that the Bush Administration and the Corporate establishment have about a destructive conflict on U.S. soil to the U.S. economy. Why we simply can't have it so instead of standing up we will cower and lay down to invasion and destruction of the U.S. or hence mexico will get its amnesty- "comprehensive guest-worker reform". Blackmail and threats.

I agree a war would be terrible and destructive, however Bush and our Gov't have no problem having our military die in a far away foreign land with questionable cause debacle. The War on Terror is a hoax when the U.S. Border sits wide open with fake security and fake Homeland Security interanl enforcement. The Border fence is part of it, yet the superpower U.S. needs to push its own envelope -- sanctions, eviction of Mexican Ambassadors and Consulates, and Troops on the Border where they belong. Mexico needs to be put in a straight jacket and bottled up tight so it can learn from its corruption -- then we will see what they will do about it.

If it comes to it, let's get it done (even though the surgery may hurt) and extract the sickening disease from our soil.

Also. The suppression and fear of a possible war is why the two Border Patrol Agents Ramos and Compean are being thrown in jail hard. These two Border Patrol Agents are to be made an example of because gunfire was exchanged across the Border in this incident. (At a drug smuggler no less). The Border Patrol is being warned against actaully defending the Border or themselves because the bigger picture for Bush's thinking is that a single shot could trigger a war. Bush and others think they are preventing a war and that is what they think "guest-worker reform"- amnesty is doing. Yet I suggest, a swamping flood of "guest-workers", illegal Aliens, more lawlessness and a future divided country is setting up a provoking of war in the future.

And it will be lawlessness - our gov't can't track and enforce immigration law now, how in the world is it going to operate a massive guest-worker program? It won't, it will be a complete disaster. The bottom line of the "comprehensive guest-worker immigration reform" is that amnesty is its centerpiece --- that is all it will mainly do and it will appease mexico and continue the cycle of illegal immigration.

That is why Bush and invader Gonzales will not budge on a pardon -- why
they want open Borders anyway -- so it is a good chance for them to bring more harm to the Border Patrol mission.

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Originally Posted by ALIPAC

I just spotted this story on the Drudge Report. That means it will be all across the nation this weekend Fri-Sun.

As the public gets wind of this, there is going to be a huge desire to discuss it.

You are going to see some legs on this story!

W

Unfortunately, we haven't seen legs on this story. Lionel Waxmen, on his radio commentary today (aired in Tucson) said he's been down on the border with the Minutemen and the same kind of incident happened again, Thursday night. This hasn't been reported on any MSM.