Thread: TN: 287(g) causes illegal alien to go into labor..(updated)

Originally Posted by NoBueno

I followed the link to the original story which has a comments section. I gather Tennessee may have an issue with illegal invaders and those who support them...

This comment caught my eye!

Liquidmicro :
"The police dept. in her town clearly violated the law."

Actually, they did not. What ensued, as tragic as it was, was not against the law either.

Driving without a license in Tennessee is a Class B Misdemeanor ($500 fine and/or 6 months in jail). When the officer ran her name (from a Matricular Card, she had no form of U.S. documentation other than a vehicle registration not in her name) it came back with a Federal Deportation order from 1996, thus because the officer is 287(g), he arrested her for an outstanding deportation order.

Exportation of both parents and all anchor babies! Why did she desire to be treated better than an American woman or a sickly American in our prison system. She has been and will continue to break laws in America to suit herself. History repeats history!

I get so disgusted with these people using childbirth and motherhood as excuses for special treatment, as if their birth process is somehow so much more special and an event incompariable to that of any other woman.

They are IAs breeding recklessly on our dime, not holy mothers bringing forth the divine, for Pete's sake.



The nurse asked that the shackles be removed because she wanted Villegas DeLaPaz to be able to clean up after childbirth and do other hygiene to prevent infection


Excuse me, I've had children, my last one not all that long ago, and don't ever recall delivering and then being expected to get right out of bed to clean myself up after the birth or start performing a hygiene routine to "prevent infection".


She was re-jailed and denied a breast pump to express her milk


And what about other women who are returned to jail after delivering? Are they provided breast pumps? Nope. They are not. But they ARE generally placed into a medical unit, or special cell if there is no specific unit, so that their post-natal needs can be tended to properly,they can be monitored and allowed time to recover. I'm sure she was offered ice packs, pain relievers, and maybe even medication to help dry up her milk to alleviate the discomfort. Not to mention that nothing was stopping her from expressing her own milk manually.

To read this cock and bull story you'd think she was dragged out of the hospital the second the cord was cut and thrown into the dark bowels of Hell.

The way I see it is that if you demand to be treated equally in this country, then don't bitch and whine when you're treated as equally as any other criminal is treated.


Nurses attending her were crying.

Oh right....I'm sure they were just weeping buckets. For starters, these people deal with prisoners of all races and nationalities being brought in to give birth on a regular basis. They know the procedure, they've seen it all before, and there was nothing special about this woman......she was just another prisoner brought in to deliver and that's all she was.

Secondly,I've been in labor and delivery wards, at four different hospitals, the minority in a sea of illegals and I've seen how the doctors, nurses, and staff interact with these women.

Yes, they do their jobs, they are professional at all times, but the disapproval is evident and I've heard the exchanges about this or that one being back for the umpteenth kid, the inability to act responsibly, the multiple kids with multiple fathers, how these births represent another one living off the taxpers, etc.

These doctors and nurses. who are ALSO taxpayers, are on the front lines being forced to treat criminals playing the system, delivering children who assist in that playing of the system, and are the very same people forcing hospitals into bankruptcy causing horrendous job loss in the medical field.

We're expected to believe that they were all just beside themselves over the plight of this one IA who was under arrest and in custody exactly as she deserved to be?


She could not sleep in the jail because of the intense pain from her swollen breasts.

Sorry honey....sore breasts are sore breasts no matter where you are. It would have been no less painful if you had been at home.

Just consider it one of the many "joyful pains" of motherhood, get over yourself, and move on.



No matter the reason, the Berry Hill police department's abuse of the 287(g) program calls for an immediate suspension of the program by ICE until a proper investigation can be conducted to determine if the program was abused in implementing it and, if so, a fine should be levied against the department and/or a revised supervision of the program be implemented



How did they abuse the program? The officer did everything by the book and in running her through the system discovered that she had been ordered deported over 10 years ago.

The woman is a FUGITIVE from the federal justice system, and has been for the last 12 years. How many other times have the police come into contact with her in all that time and didn't know she was wanted? I'm willing to bet that if 287(g) had been in existence a long time ago, she'd never have gotten away with it for as long as she did. But, oh well....this time she took the gamble and she lost. Time to pack up her litter and beat it.



Chances are they realized that if they deported her their public image would have sunk so low that it would have been a public relations nightmare to rectify it.


LOL.......I highly doubt that the Berry Hill PD could give a rat's hat about their "public image" in the eyes of the same illegal aliens they implemented 287(g) to deal with in the first place.

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gee, I wonder if they will post it lololol

If only she had been deported in 1996 we wouldn't have her FOUR anchor babies to support now! FOUR anchor babies!!!

So now I suppose she gets a free pass and a cash settlement because she's too lazy to milk herself? Gimmie a break! Been there, done that. She will live.

The Berry Hill PD had it right until they chose to release her.

Berry Hill PD:

Contact

Hours of Operation: 24 hours/day, 365 days/year

Location: 698 Thompson Lane, Nashville, TN 37204

Phone: (615) 297-3242

Fax: (615) 269-9819

Chief of Police
Robert Bennett

As stated earlier, Villegas DeLaPaz didn't have a valid driver's license but she did have two other pieces of documentation that should have sufficed and garnered her only a written citation: a valid vehicle registration sticker and a consulate photo identification.

With these two pieces of documentation, it should have been enough to let her go with a citation, especially since the officers saw her advanced stages of pregnancy. Yet, in this climate of zero tolerance and zero common sense, they chose to use her lack of a driver's license as cause to arrest her, though 287 (g) guidelines explicitly say the individual should "pose a threat to public safety" and "does not impact traffic offenses such as driving without a license."

IMO, driving without a valid driver's license does pose a threat to public safety. Let's look at reasons an individual may not have a valid driver's license:

1. Individual hasn't taken a written and/or road driving test. Any driver without proof of ability to function properly on our highways and roads could be a threat to public safety.

2. License suspended or revoked. Obviously a suspension or revokation takes place for cause. This would indicate that judgement and driving ability is in question. This too means the individual could be a threat to public safety.

Honestly, I don't get it.

Well, regardless of the public safety issue, the individual was under a deportation order. That alone should quailfy her for immediate pick up and prosecution.

Sob Sob - Whine, Whine - and take all of your little anchors with you on your way out of the country.

Originally Posted by cayla99

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Here are the comments from the website. See yours in here? Also, note the dates are in Spanish. Is that what Barack means when he says they learn the english language?



Excuse my french--but F**K. This makes me sick to my F***ING STOMACH.

Posted by bfp | 13 de Julio 2008 a las 05:33 PM

Posted on 13 de Julio 2008 17:33
Frank :

It is ridiculous to claim that the whole 287g program should be suspended just because of one police department's questionable tactics!

Posted by Frank | 13 de Julio 2008 a las 06:50 PM

Posted on 13 de Julio 2008 18:50
kgarcia :

This is incredible. Thank you for sharing this. This woman's story hasn't made news here in East Tennessee. As a Tennessean, I am embarrassed. As a human being, I am outraged. What happened to women in custody being escorted by women guards?

Posted by kgarcia | 13 de Julio 2008 a las 07:24 PM

Posted on 13 de Julio 2008 19:24
Evelyn :

Because we have several loyal supporters of 'rule of law,' I suppose they will be out in full force supporting this lady.

The police dept. in her town clearly violated the law.

Will we see true loyal supporters of 'rule of law' or hypocrit ethnocentric racist who support "rule of law' only when it supports their racist agenda of excluding Hispanics in America.

Posted by Evelyn | 13 de Julio 2008 a las 08:33 PM

Posted on 13 de Julio 2008 20:33
Marisa Treviño Author Profile Page:

Please reread the post, I said that the 287(g) program should be suspended at THAT police department.

Posted by Marisa Treviño Author Profile Page | 13 de Julio 2008 a las 09:12 PM

Posted on 13 de Julio 2008 21:12
Frank :

You weren't very clear on that Marisa. You might want to re-read it yourself.

If the claims are actually true, then I agree that that the treatment of this woman was unwarranted and the PD should be investigated.

Posted by Frank | 13 de Julio 2008 a las 09:45 PM

Posted on 13 de Julio 2008 21:45
Frank :

It isn't white people who are advocating amnesty for their own ethnic kind. Therefore it isn't they that are the ethnocentric racists.

Who is excluding Hispanics in this country, liar! Your nose must be so long that you can dial your phone with it!

Posted by Frank | 13 de Julio 2008 a las 09:48 PM

Posted on 13 de Julio 2008 21:48
Liquidmicro :

"The police dept. in her town clearly violated the law."

Actually, they did not. What ensued, as tragic as it was, was not against the law either.

Driving without a license in Tennessee is a Class B Misdemeanor ($500 fine and/or 6 months in jail). When the officer ran her name (from a Matricular Card, she had no form of U.S. documentation other than a vehicle registration not in her name) it came back with a Federal Deportation order from 1996, thus because the officer is 287(g), he arrested her for an outstanding deportation order.

I call into question her husband. Why was he not driving her around especially if she only had 3 days before her due date? Why should the 287(g) program then be suspended in that town? She knew the consequences of what could happen to her if she were caught driving without a license, she took the risk. The question then comes down to her being a 'criminal fugitive' for disobeying a Federal Deportation order from 1996.

Posted by Liquidmicro | 14 de Julio 2008 a las 11:01 AM

Posted on 14 de Julio 2008 11:01
challis :

Apart from this horrid story, it also shows us how our State officials are ill equipped to deal with this issue.
I believe that this is wasting state money and resources trying to handle what is, ultimately a federal problem that needs to be addressed in the federal government.
We cannot add these responsibilities to our State police and government, it is a recipe for disaster, with more stories and situations like this as the consequence.

Posted by challis | 14 de Julio 2008 a las 12:22 PM

Posted on 14 de Julio 2008 12:22
Marisa Treviño Author Profile Page:

Isn't the real question why would the police subject a woman on the cusp of delivering her child to such measures when she ended up being released anyway?

Posted by Marisa Treviño Author Profile Page | 14 de Julio 2008 a las 01:07 PM

Posted on 14 de Julio 2008 13:07
Jill :

If she would have come here legally , or stayed in Mexico she would'nt have had his problem.

Posted by Jill | 14 de Julio 2008 a las 02:41 PM

Posted on 14 de Julio 2008 14:41
Frank :

States are having to deal with the illegal alien problem because our Federal government has failed us on this issue and it is the states that are being affected negatively by it. With proper training our state and local law enforcement can perform the job that our federal government refuses to do. It is actually easier to handle it on the local levels anyway.

Posted by Frank | 14 de Julio 2008 a las 03:05 PM

Posted on 14 de Julio 2008 15:05
Evelyn :

challis said:
Apart from this horrid story, it also shows us how our State officials are ill equipped to deal with this issue.
I believe that this is wasting state money and resources trying to handle what is, ultimately a federal problem that needs to be addressed in the federal government.
We cannot add these responsibilities to our State police and government, it is a recipe for disaster, with more stories and situations like this as the consequence.


E
Spoken like a TRUE patriotic law abiding American citizen who is really against 'Illegal immigration' like most Americans.

Congress will have to address this issue sooner (2009) rather than later. It will have to be a compromise.

Both sides of the isle will have to work to fix the mess immigration laws are creating now.

Posted by Evelyn | 14 de Julio 2008 a las 03:17 PM

Posted on 14 de Julio 2008 15:17
Liquidmicro :

"Isn't the real question why would the police subject a woman on the cusp of delivering her child to such measures when she ended up being released anyway?"

ICE had a detainer on her, would it then not be ICE that released her? The Police and the Sheriffs merely did their jobs. I would be looking to ICE for the reasons as to why she was not deported and instead was released. I'm willing to bet ICE released her due to humanitarian reasons as they release many others who have to care for their children (look at those released during raids), they are given new deportation orders for hearings and are expected to show up at them.

We all agree that this was a tragic set of circumstances, we all feel for this womans plight.

Posted by Liquidmicro | 14 de Julio 2008 a las 03:29 PM

Posted on 14 de Julio 2008 15:29
yeah man :

Fleeing an Federal Deportation order and driving without a license that's reason enough to be put in jail. She was treated like any other jailed criminal. To bad this is her fourth child born here illegally she should have been deported before the first one. Because INS didn't do their duty taxpayer paid for four children that shouldn't have been here. Racism? Mexican is not a race it's a nationally and Mexico wouldn't put up with this BS. I know many white Mexicans and I know many really dark Mexicans so which one of those it the Mexican race? It's about nationally stupid and respect of American laws..

Posted by yeah man | 14 de Julio 2008 a las 04:15 PM

Posted on 14 de Julio 2008 16:15
Eric :

I dont get it, how many laws does someone have to break to actually be punished.

SHE BROKE LAWS, SHE IS A LAWBREAKER.

It is illegal here in America to drive without a license. I am an American Citizen, if I get caught without a license I get arrested.

Posted by Eric | 14 de Julio 2008 a las 05:03 PM

Posted on 14 de Julio 2008 17:03
Alex :

Frank, Liquidmicro, do you believe that your lame excuse, "Rule of Law", when you meet Our Lord, will prevent you from being thrown to hell? You still have time to change. Nobody knows when that will happen. Could be tomorrow, maybe tonight, while you sleep. Are you prepared?

Posted by Alex | 14 de Julio 2008 a las 05:23 PM

Posted on 14 de Julio 2008 17:23
laura :

Dear Marisa,

in my mind, the question is why a woman's simple basic dignity and human rights are violated in this abominable way.

Seriously - for those who doubt my analogy to Nazi Germany: do you think the German police in 1940 would have shackled a Jewish woman in labor to the hospital bed by her wrist and ankle? Do you think they would have let an - armed - male guard watch her as she was changing? Do you think they would have kept her feet shackled after childbirth when she went to the bathroom so she couldn't clean herself?

I am not sure German police would have done that to a Jewish woman.

What kind of a country are we living in?

And beyond the politics of a country treating a minority like the Jews in Nazi Germany - what about the individuals in that police department? What is going on in their minds? What is going on in the mind of an armed policeman who watches a woman in labor change into a hospital gown? What is going on in the mind of a policeman who keeps a woman in labor shackled to the bed?

Those police have serious mental health problems. And because they are our police, they are our problems.

Posted by laura | 14 de Julio 2008 a las 06:09 PM

Posted on 14 de Julio 2008 18:09
cayla :

This disturbs me on a number of levels. First, lets start with the reason she was driving in the first place. She had no license, therefore she should not have been behind the wheel. Also, during my pregnancies, at the end, I was advised NOT TO DRIVE by my doctor. It has been too many years to recall the reasoning, but I believe it had to do with the waistline interfering with the steering wheel lol. Either way, she was a danger to herself and others, including her child, by being behind the wheel in the first place. This leads to my second question, what did she do to draw the attention of the officers who arrested her? The article fails to state the only crime was driving without a license. Could it be she was driving in a dangerous manner? Could it be that she has been pulled over on the same offense before? The article does not state the original cause. It also is clearly omitting any claim that the sole cause of being pulled over was no license.

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Villegas DeLaPaz was arrested, incarcerated and forced to go through labor under armed guard handcuffed to by her wrist and ankle to a hospital bed.


I have a friend who is a prison guard, this is standard procedure for inmates in labor. Should she have gotten special treatment because she is Hispanic? I think not. The bottom line is that officer was responsible for his prisoner and could not let her out of his site. To avoid this, maybe she should not have been driving illegally in a country in which she was illegally residing, then she could have had a warm, family filled birth experience.

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She was not allowed to call her family so her husband could be with her for the birth.


It is usually standard procedure not to let inmates have visitors while in a hard to secure area such as a hospital. Again, she should have considered this BEFORE HER JOY RIDE.


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Her newborn was taken from her and did not receive needed breast milk for several days.


Some jails allow the babies to stay with their inmate mothers, others do not. Obviously, in the case of this mother in the process of being deported, they are not going to put a US citizen in her cell to complicate things. Like any other criminal who gives birth, the baby was more than likely put into state custody until another parent or family member could take custody of the child.

They let the baby starve? Shocked Of course not, the baby was fed formula, like millions of other babies are each year.

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She was re-jailed and denied a breast pump to express her milk. Nurses attending her were crying. She could not sleep in the jail because of the intense pain from her swollen breasts.


As for the breast milk, they wouldn't let her express it???? What kind of nonsense it that? At the risk of being crude, all she had to do was walk over to the nearest sink or toilet and milk herself. It isn't that hard, I had to do it once or twice when I returned to work after having my middle child.

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By the police department's own admission, Villegas DeLaPaz endured more days in jail than she should have because of the 4th of July holidays.


How many of us in college were always warned not to get a public intoxication charge on a weekend or holiday because the judge is off and we would have to spend extra time? Once again she is whining because she did not get special treatment.


Last, but certainly not least, she was NOT ARRESTED FOR DRIVING WITHOUT A LICENSE! SHE WAS ARRESTED FOR A WARRANT OUT ON IGNORING A PREVIOUS DEPORTATION ORDER!!!!! To have let her go would have been a felony offense without the permission of a judge. If she wanted a normal child birth, she should have complied with the court order to begin with. I have zero sympathy for her, she asked for it, she got it.

Posted by cayla | 14 de Julio 2008 a las 08:39 PM

Posted on 14 de Julio 2008 20:39
Evelyn :

It isn't white people who are advocating amnesty for their own ethnic kind. Therefore it isn't they that are the ethnocentric racists.

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Gee, I went through each of the posts to see who made the accusation that white people or any race was advocating amnesty for their own kind. No one did.

I have never heard of anyone doing that. What I have heard are many ignorant people calling CIR amnesty. They dont know the meaning of words and have trouble understanding what they read.

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Who is excluding Hispanics in this country, liar! Your nose must be so long that you can dial your phone with it!


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Hypocrit ethnocentric racist who support "rule of law' only when it supports their racist agenda of excluding Hispanics in America.

LOL, you're calling
me "Pinocchio" (a childish nursery rhyme caricature) because the shoe fit and you were EXPOSED?
How um, um, childish!

This is a shocker folks, I basically copied and pasted my original post from here, with a few minor modifications. When I got the blurb that it would be posted after editors approval, I just knew there was not a chance in hell, I was wrong, they actually posted it! I will give minor credit points to this site for doing so.

Originally Posted by cayla99

This is a shocker folks, I basically copied and pasted my original post from here, with a few minor modifications. When I got the blurb that it would be posted after editors approval, I just knew there was not a chance in hell, I was wrong, they actually posted it! I will give minor credit points to this site for doing so.

Great post Cayla!! You pretty much ripped them a new...you know what!!