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02-21-2018, 04:07 PM #41
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02-21-2018, 04:35 PM #42
jtdc, in the Constitution, there is a difference between a citizen and a natural born citizen, but apparently you aren't familiar with the issue and I don't want to go into it further at this time.
If you support proper school door security to keep bad and unauthorized people out of the school during class-time and have some armed personnel in the school to deal with them should they get in, then in my opinion, that solves the issue of "prevention" to the degree it can be.
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02-21-2018, 04:39 PM #43
It also says, "the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." The founders knew all about the importance of guns, arms and weapons. There were people who were denied the right to have guns, arms and weapons when our country was founded, they called them "slaves."
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02-21-2018, 09:38 PM #44
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Of course. It is a difference with little significance.
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As for the security door, airports have pretty tight security, but now and then someone jumps a fence and they don't see it. This school is 40 acres. You'd need the Border Patrol to keep the illegals from getting in.
I realize that a locked front door can slow an assailant down, but as someone told me, many years ago, a lock is to keep honest people honest. It is not very effective at keeping a criminal out.
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02-21-2018, 09:47 PM #45John started the thread to complain about a Florida Republican donor that threatened to stop contributing unless politicians support a ban on assault weapons!A Nation Without Borders Is Not A Nation - Ronald Reagan
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For crying out loud! I have said, and you quoted it, there are words before those words that provide a condition: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,". That, to me, says you are supposed to be part of a militia to be availed of those rights.
You can't have an M-16 unless you are in the military. And you can't have one after you are out of the military. It is a tool with a specific purpose, killing humans! The AR-15 is similar!
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You want no limits! Well then this is what you end up with, school shootings. We either scale up by turning schools into armed war camps or we fix what is causing this increase in violence.
This country was formed by war. Then it became civilized. then, as the west developed, it became uncivilized again. But with laws increasing restriction on guns, it became civilized again. We seem to be going downhill once again!
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02-21-2018, 10:20 PM #47
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02-21-2018, 10:21 PM #48A Nation Without Borders Is Not A Nation - Ronald Reagan
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I'm not sure what you think we agree on. I want military style weapons limited to military (and limited police) use. That means John Q Citizen cannot carry, or even own, an AR-15 and the like. Such weapon are primarily, like the M-16, for killing people. They are not the appropriate tool for hunting. And, as I said, if we get to the point that you need a military arsenal to defend against your government, this country will already be lost.
We need to address the cause of this trend toward violence. As you have noted, that is born of violent games, movies and the like. We will have to take freedom away from movie makers, game vendors and the like, to protect our future, our children. Are you willing to allow the surrender of some freedom for that end?
I am for the right to keep an bear arms. But not unlimited arms, which seems to be what you advocate.
Today I see discussions about the suggestion yesterday, in the Trump meeting, that teachers should be armed. One of the suggestions was that qualified teachers who carry would get a $1000 bonus. Someone complained about how much extra money that would cost tax payers. The stupidity is how much more would it cost to hire armed guards?
A teacher, even a janitor with a concealed weapon, would not have a negative psychological impact on students as would seeing armed guards everywhere on campus.
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