Thread: Can a past of Islam change the path to president for Obama?

Originally Posted by cvangel

I would hope NO Muslim could become President! But sometimes I wonder how foolish people are when we look at some of the people in office. Here's a related blog post:

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archi...al_reason.html

January 26, 2007
The Real Reason Obama is Hiding Muslim Background

By Debbie Schlussel

Why is Barack Hussein Obama running, hiding, concealing, and denying when it comes to his Muslim background?

Various polls on Presidential elections indicate that he'd lose more than half the American people off the bat. Why can't he openly admit his background--that he was a Muslim at one time in his life, even though he claims to be a Christian now?
Various polls show us the answer.

Gallup, Pew, the Los Angeles Times/Bloomberg and FOX News frequently do polls on the one thing--the one bugaboo--that would keep the average American from voting for a Presidential candidate, even if the candidate was ideal in every other category.
islamiccrescent.jpgbarackobama.jpg

Americans are not stupid. They see the way Muslims around the world--and in America, too--act in the name of their religion. And more than half of them won't vote for a Muslim for President.

In June, a nationwide LA Times/Bloomberg poll showed these results:

Would Not Vote for a Presidential Candidate who is

Mormon--37%
Jew--15%
Evangelical Christian-21%
Muslim--54%
Catholic--10%
A December FOX News Poll shows these results:

Less likely to vote for a presidential candidate if the candidate is:

A Protestant--6%
Roman Catholic--10%
Jewish--10%
A Member of the Christian Coalition--24%
A Mormon--32%
A Muslim--45%
An Athiest--50%
A Scientologist--53%
In 2004, a Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life survey found that 38% of Americans would not vote for a Muslim for President.

Here are the numbers from Gallup in 1999:

Percentage of Americans who won't vote for a Presidential candidate who is . . .

Catholic: 4% (1937: 30%)
Black: 5% (1958: 63%, 1987: 21%)
Jewish: 6% (1937: 47%)
Baptist: 6%
Woman: 8%
Mormon: 17%
Muslim: 38%
Gay: 37% (1978: 74%)
Atheist: 48%
The proof is in the numbers. A Muslim candidate cannot become President at this point in time. And Barack Hussein Obama does not want Americans to know that, at the very least, at one point in his life, he was a Muslim. And is still very sypathetic to their viewpoint.

WITH THIS MINDSET, IT IS UNDERSTANDABLE WHY AMERICA IS IN THE CONDITION IT IS TODAY AND THERE IS NOT A CHANCE IN HELL THAT THINGS WILL GET BETTER. WE ARE A HOPELESS NATION RUN BY HOPELESS PEOPLE.. LOOK AT IT WHAT IS HAPPENING AND AN ANALIZE IT.

Jer10;23..it does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step.

Originally Posted by dyehard39

Radical muslim or radical christian, they both should worry you.

2 Tim 3;13
while evil people and impostors will go on from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived.

DYHARD

Not sure but I think you might have taken what has been said here in the wrong way.

it doesn't have to do with religion, per se, it has everything to do with the fact that islamic law supercedes all laws.

There is no, and would never be, loyalty to the U.S. Constitution.

Why would an American vote for anyone who's loyalty lies in another direction. We've already been doing that for generations and that's why our country is in the condition that it is in.

Proof is sitting in the White House and Congress.

Originally Posted by 2ndamendsis

DYHARD

Not sure but I think you might have taken what has been said here in the wrong way.

it doesn't have to do with religion, per se, it has everything to do with the fact that islamic law supercedes all laws.

There is no, and would never be, loyalty to the U.S. Constitution.

Why would an American vote for anyone who's loyalty lies in another direction. We've already been doing that for generations and that's why our country is in the condition that it is in.

Proof is sitting in the White House and Congress.

Exactly. While Christians, for example, are exhorted to obey the civil authorities (1 Peter 2:13,14; Romans 13:1-5), while Muslims are taught to reject any law beyond the Koran.

Originally Posted by CrocketsGhost

Originally Posted by 2ndamendsis

DYHARD

Not sure but I think you might have taken what has been said here in the wrong way.

it doesn't have to do with religion, per se, it has everything to do with the fact that islamic law supercedes all laws.

There is no, and would never be, loyalty to the U.S. Constitution.

ISLAMIC LAW IS BASED ON ISLAMIC RELIGION,

[quote:1daqexw8]Why would an American vote for anyone who's loyalty lies in another direction. We've already been doing that for generations and that's why our country is in the condition that it is in.

Proof is sitting in the White House and Congress.

AND THEY ARE CHRISTIANS AND A MUSLIM.

Exactly. While Christians, for example, are exhorted to obey the civil authorities (1 Peter 2:13,14; Romans 13:1-5), while Muslims are taught to reject any law beyond the Koran.[/quote:1daqexw8]

THAT IS NOT SO. RADICAL MUSLIM ARE TAUGHT THAT BUT NOT THE KORAN. WE ALSO REJECT ANY LAW THAT IS NOT AMERICAN OR CHRISTIAN. WHEN IS MUSLIM COUNTRIES YOU CAN EXPECT TO LIVE BY MUSLIM LAW. WE EXPECT ALL THOSE WHO COME HERE TO LIVE BY OUR LAWS.

Muslim Law supercedes ALL law - ex: Muslim countries are ruled by the Koran - Mohammed's teachings and not the Rule of Law. The Rule of Law is what separates the West from all else.

For Islam, it's the Rule of Mohammed's Law. There is a huge difference.

The Koran - Muslim Law-- is the direct opposite of Democracy and especially Representative Government.

They are not compatible, cannot be compatible.

Originally Posted by dyehard39

Originally Posted by CrocketsGhost

Originally Posted by 2ndamendsis

DYHARD

Not sure but I think you might have taken what has been said here in the wrong way.

it doesn't have to do with religion, per se, it has everything to do with the fact that islamic law supercedes all laws.

There is no, and would never be, loyalty to the U.S. Constitution.

ISLAMIC LAW IS BASED ON ISLAMIC RELIGION,

[quote:245zlydd]Why would an American vote for anyone who's loyalty lies in another direction. We've already been doing that for generations and that's why our country is in the condition that it is in.

Proof is sitting in the White House and Congress.

AND THEY ARE CHRISTIANS AND A MUSLIM.

Exactly. While Christians, for example, are exhorted to obey the civil authorities (1 Peter 2:13,14; Romans 13:1-5), while Muslims are taught to reject any law beyond the Koran.

THAT IS NOT SO. RADICAL MUSLIM ARE TAUGHT THAT BUT NOT THE KORAN. WE ALSO REJECT ANY LAW THAT IS NOT AMERICAN OR CHRISTIAN. WHEN IS MUSLIM COUNTRIES YOU CAN EXPECT TO LIVE BY MUSLIM LAW. WE EXPECT ALL THOSE WHO COME HERE TO LIVE BY OUR LAWS. [/quote:245zlydd]
I am sorry, but to my knowledge and from my experience, you are incorrect. And please don't shout at me.

Originally Posted by 2ndamendsis

DYHARD

Not sure but I think you might have taken what has been said here in the wrong way.

it doesn't have to do with religion, per se, it has everything to do with the fact that islamic law supercedes all laws.

There is no, and would never be, loyalty to the U.S. Constitution.

Why would an American vote for anyone who's loyalty lies in another direction. We've already been doing that for generations and that's why our country is in the condition that it is in.

http:Proof is sitting in the White House and Congress.

I posted Schlussel's article so I'm going to weigh in on this one. And there are some very good points in the quote above. But I'm responding to dyehard39. I'm a little bewildered at where you're coming from here?

On the fact that Americans have been voting for for people whose loyalty lies in another direction for generations is why our country is in the condition that it's in is a very valid point. And up until now the other direction to those people's loyalty has been to Socialism. We've seen them chipping away at our Constitution little by little via the ACLU:
http://www.stoptheaclu.org/index.php...id=98&Itemid=2

If you watch what Jihadist's methodologies are for infiltrating and taking control of western countries you see many of the same methods in their plan; here a few that we see:

Goal 17: Get control of the schools.

Are we seeing demands via CAIR for Muslim "Tolerance" classes in our schools today? Classes on Islam are in the majority of our Universities now and even in many of our K-12 level schools.

Goal 19: Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack. (in this case Muslim attack)

This one we see on TV and in the news all the time.

Goal 20: Infiltrate the press.
Again self explanatory

Goal 15: Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.
On this one we have to be ever vigilant. And I for one will never vote for a Muslim candidate until and if the question I pose at the end of this has a valid answer. By the way; have you all seen that the DNC now has an Imam?
http://link.toolbot.com/hotair.com/59236

Goal 13: Do away with all loyalty oaths.
Well on this one it differs. Loyalty oaths are to the Quran and all it embodies. We saw the first instance of this with Keith Ellison

Goal 16: Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

Don't we see this everyday? One of the most recent cases being the one that many (me included) believe to be a staged event by the "6 Flying Imams"? Back in my home state of Michigan Muslims sued and in one city that was formerly a primarily Polish Catholic area (Hamtramck, Mi) the Muslim Call to Prayer is now broadcasted through the streets five times a day. There are endless cases of lawsuits going on for "Muslim Rights" now.

The point is they use the same methods Socialists have. And deception is one of them.

It was this very conflict of trying to figure out how to recognize a "good Muslim" vs a deceptive Jihadist Muslim while deceit is part of the Jihadist's methodology that sparked my activism in National Security and border enforcement.

I still search for that answer as I've known many Muslims in my life and career that I would love to able to feel with 100% confidence that they are "good" Muslims. If anyone has the answer I'd love to hear it. But until then I feel we must be ever vigilant.

Originally Posted by CrocketsGhost

Originally Posted by dyehard39

Originally Posted by CrocketsGhost

Originally Posted by 2ndamendsis

DYHARD

Not sure but I think you might have taken what has been said here in the wrong way.

it doesn't have to do with religion, per se, it has everything to do with the fact that islamic law supercedes all laws.

There is no, and would never be, loyalty to the U.S. Constitution.

ISLAMIC LAW IS BASED ON ISLAMIC RELIGION,

[quote:2k0i80yr]Why would an American vote for anyone who's loyalty lies in another direction. We've already been doing that for generations and that's why our country is in the condition that it is in.

Proof is sitting in the White House and Congress.

AND THEY ARE CHRISTIANS AND A MUSLIM.

Exactly. While Christians, for example, are exhorted to obey the civil authorities (1 Peter 2:13,14; Romans 13:1-5), while Muslims are taught to reject any law beyond the Koran.

THAT IS NOT SO. RADICAL MUSLIM ARE TAUGHT THAT BUT NOT THE KORAN. WE ALSO REJECT ANY LAW THAT IS NOT AMERICAN OR CHRISTIAN. WHEN IS MUSLIM COUNTRIES YOU CAN EXPECT TO LIVE BY MUSLIM LAW. WE EXPECT ALL THOSE WHO COME HERE TO LIVE BY OUR LAWS.

I am sorry, but to my knowledge and from my experience, you are incorrect. And please don't shout at me.

[/quote:2k0i80yr]

Sorry, but I am not shouting.I was only trying to make my reply easier to read. I do it simply because of my eye sight.

Originally Posted by 2ndamendsis

Muslim Law supercedes ALL law - ex: Muslim countries are ruled by the Koran - Mohammed's teachings and not the Rule of Law. The Rule of Law is what separates the West from all else.
For Islam, it's the Rule of Mohammed's Law. There is a huge difference.

The Koran - Muslim Law-- is the direct opposite of Democracy and especially Representative Government.

They are not compatible, cannot be compatible.

It is also the law of the country you are in. Egypt, Indonesia, Pakistan and many other countries practice Islam differently, altho they use the same Koran.
The above is the exact reason we should not be in Iraq trying to force democracy on them. It will never work because of that reason.