Thread: FairTax and Trade

Originally Posted by MW

I agree. Obfuscation, misdirection, and fabrications are tools used by some who realize people aren't buying what their selling so they do all they can to confuse and dazzle folks in an effort to gain support.

Some folks, when losing an argument, also resort to playing the victim card in an effort to gain sympathy for their agenda. Much like Judy did here:

Judy wrote:



I guess the truth is just to hard for some to handle.

The truth is you're scared to death someone in the White House is going to see the thread and say "damn, Judy's right, we can tax all imports ultimately sold in the US 23% without any confrontations, international disputes, trade agreements, trade wars or WTO lawsuits." What American who wants to protect our trade wouldn't want to see that happen?

Originally Posted by Judy

The truth is you're scared to death someone in the White House is going to see the thread and say "damn, Judy's right, we can tax all imports ultimately sold in the US 23% without any confrontations, international disputes, trade agreements, trade wars or WTO lawsuits." What American who wants to protect our trade wouldn't want to see that happen?

No fear or concern that anyone reading this thread will think Judy is right ... actually I think the opposite would happen.

So you don't want to protect our trade with a 23% uniform sales tax that taxes imports the same as domestic products in addition to any tariffs? Wow.

So you don't want to stop the income tax handouts to illegal aliens and penalize them 23% for being in our country? Wow.

You know, that doesn't surprise me. All talk, no action.

Originally Posted by Judy

So you don't want to protect our trade with a 23% uniform sales tax that taxes imports the same as domestic products in addition to any tariffs?

Hey, slapping a 23% tariff would be fine with many here. That is what President Trump did with steel and aluminum. That would handicap imports. But the FairTax would be a tax on top of the tariff, which would just cost Americans more for products. Unlike a tariff, it taxes domestic products as well.

Originally Posted by Judy

So you don't want to stop the income tax handouts to illegal aliens and penalize them 23% for being in our country?

WE DON'T NEED A NEW TAX SYSTEM TO DO THAT! WE CAN DO THAT RIGHT NOW IF CONGRESS WOULD JUST CUT IT OFF!

Originally Posted by jtdc

Hey, slapping a 23% tariff would be fine with many here. That is what President Trump did with steel and aluminum. That would handicap imports. But the FairTax would be a tax on top of the tariff, which would just cost Americans more for products. Unlike a tariff, it taxes domestic products as well.

WE DON'T NEED A NEW TAX SYSTEM TO DO THAT! WE CAN DO THAT RIGHT NOW IF CONGRESS WOULD JUST CUT IT OFF!

Yes, the 23% is slapped on in addition to the tariffs, which should discourage Americans from buying foreign made crap, which helps our businesses reopen their factories here in the US, produce good high quality American made products, hire American Workers, and balance our trade deficits without international disputes, trade agreements, confrontations, trade wars or WTO lawsuits.

Of course if people like you want to purchase foreign made crap instead of American made goods, then yes, you're going to pay for it. You want it, you pay for it, and rightly so. Why should you be rewarded as you are now putting Americans out of work and sucking our money supply out of the country? I can't think of any reason for that, not one at all.

Originally Posted by Judy

Yes, the 23% is slapped on in addition to the tariffs, which should discourage Americans from buying foreign made crap, which helps our businesses reopen their factories here in the US, produce good high quality American made products, hire American Workers, and balance our trade deficits without international disputes, trade agreements, confrontations, trade wars or WTO lawsuits.

Of course if people like you want to purchase foreign made crap instead of American made goods, then yes, you're going to pay for it. You want it, you pay for it, and rightly so. Why should you be rewarded as you are now putting Americans out of work and sucking our money supply out of the country? I can't think of any reason for that, not one at all.

You may be confused. I think it has been fairly will established by numerous sources that the 23% number you keep quoting is inaccurate. Of course you know that.

Originally Posted by MW

You may be confused. I think it has been fairly will established by numerous sources that the 23% number you keep quoting is inaccurate. Of course you know that.

The legislation calls for a 23% FairTax rate, 8.09% earmarked for Social Security and 14.91% for General Revenue. There is no 30% FairTax anywhere. You don't collect 30%, you collect 23%, and you send in 23%, not 30%. You charge customers 30% and you're going to jail, for a long time for tax fraud. And every time you post that crap, you're promoting it, aiding and abetting potential tax fraud against the public.

Originally Posted by Judy

Yes, the 23% is slapped on in addition to the tariffs, which should discourage Americans from buying foreign made crap

I think few Americans look at the label to see where a product was manufactured. They look at the price-tag! If a product costs half as much because it is imported from a country where equivalent labor costs 1/10 of American labor, pollution standards are non-existent, and their government is subsidizing production costs, a 23% sales tax will still leave the American product at a great disadvantage. Only a stiff tariff would bring the price up to parity with the American products. Your claim is a farce!

Originally Posted by jtdc

Hey, slapping a 23% tariff would be fine with many here. That is what President Trump did with steel and aluminum. That would handicap imports. But the FairTax would be a tax on top of the tariff, which would just cost Americans more for products. Unlike a tariff, it taxes domestic products as well.

WE DON'T NEED A NEW TAX SYSTEM TO DO THAT! WE CAN DO THAT RIGHT NOW IF CONGRESS WOULD JUST CUT IT OFF!

How can Congress "cut it off"? Congress created these laws, why would they "cut it off"? Hell they just expanded it by doubling the standard deduction and the child care credit.

Under the FairTax the Rebate is a benefit that excludes a certain amount of spending on necessities through the Social Security Administration, not the IRS. To be eligible for any Social Security benefit, you must be a US citizen or a legal resident.

Under the income tax, you do not have to be a citizen or legal resident to pay income tax, so when you file in accordance with the law, then you are automatically eligible for equal treatment under that law under the 14th Amendment.

Originally Posted by Judy

How can Congress "cut it off"? Congress created these laws, why would they "cut it off"?

That's the problem, they are the only cure!

Originally Posted by Judy

Hell they just expanded it by doubling the standard deduction and the child care credit.

And they will be in charge of setting rates for any FairTax!

Originally Posted by Judy

Under the FairTax the Rebate is a benefit that excludes a certain amount of spending on necessities through the Social Security Administration, not the IRS.

The opportunities, from the manufacturer or importer, through the distribution network to the retailer, for a black market are tremendous. And the profit from such a black market would be an irresistible opportunity. And illegal aliens as well as legal citizens will be looking for bargains. How blind you are!

Originally Posted by Judy

To be eligible for any Social Security benefit, you must be a US citizen or a legal resident.

Or steal someone's ID!

Originally Posted by Judy

Under the income tax, you do not have to be a citizen or legal resident to pay income tax

YOU DO NEED A TAXPAYER ID!