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    Beezer wrote (excerpt):

    This is opening up a big can of worms of unintended consequences.
    BINGO! Amen to that.

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    Judy wrote (excerpt):

    The way I see it, the only group of people who will be negatively impacted by the end of the War on Weed are police officers, who today spend a lot of their time and a lot of our money chasing and arresting pot smokers in black neighborhoods. They'll need to find another justification for their ranks, so I strongly recommend engaging in the War on Illegal Immigration.
    Very inaccurate statement!

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    How Many Cannabis Users Start Taking Other Drugs?

    Posted on September 11th, 2014

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    In the form of marijuana, cannabis ranks as the most widely used illicit/illegal substance in America. Researchers and public health officials have long debated the question of how many cannabis/marijuana users ultimately end up getting involved in other forms of illicit drug use. In a study published in August 2014 in the International Journal of Drug Policy, a team of American and Spanish researchers used information from a nationally representative project called the National Epidemiologic Survey on Alcohol and Related Conditions (NESARC) to determine how many U.S. cannabis users end up using other drugs. The researchers also sought to identify the population groups most likely to follow this substance use trajectory.

    Popularity of Marijuana/Cannabis

    Almost 19 million Americans use marijuana on at least a monthly basis, according to recent figures compiled by the federal Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration. This number represents more than 75 percent of the total user base for all illicitly consumed or illegal drugs and medications. Peak rates of marijuana consumption occur in young adults, especially among those individuals between the ages of 18 and 25. The U.S. is currently undergoing a notable social shift toward the decriminalization or limited legalization of marijuana. Currently, 23 of the 50 states (and the District of Columbia) have laws that allow doctors to prescribe marijuana as a medication for certain health problems. In addition, Colorado and the state of Washington have passed laws that make non-medical use of the drug permissible for adults.

    Known Harms of Marijuana/Cannabis Use


    The increasing social acceptability of marijuana use has been accompanied (at least in some quarters) by a de-emphasis of the drug’s potential to cause significant harm for its users. However, marijuana-related harm is a well-established scientific fact. For example, roughly 9 out of every 100 marijuana users will develop an addiction to the drug. The rate of addiction is much higher in two subgroups of users: teenagers (17 percent) and habitual/daily consumers (25 percent to 50 percent). Young people who consume large amounts of the drug also have clear risks for altering the final stages of brain development and potentially permanently impairing their ability to think clearly or use their memories properly. Physical harms associated with marijuana use include increased rates for significant lung infections and other forms of respiratory illness. On the mental health front, heavy users of the drug can develop short-term symptoms of the debilitating mental state called psychosis. In addition, statistically speaking, marijuana users have increased odds of developing longer-lasting, psychosis-related mental illness.

    Progression to Other Drugs

    In the study published in the International Journal of Drug Policy, researchers from Columbia University’s New York State Psychiatric Institute and Spain’s University of Oviedo used data gathered from 6,624 participants in the National Epidemiologic Survey on Alcohol and Related Conditions (conducted in the first decade of the 21st century) to help determine how often people who start their drug-using lives with cannabis/marijuana go on to use other illicit/illegal substances. In addition, the researchers explored the factors that make it more likely that any given cannabis/marijuana user will widen his or her drug repertoire. All of the NESARC participants were specifically chosen for inclusion in the study because they identified cannabis/marijuana as the first drug they consumed.

    After analyzing their data, the researchers concluded that 44.7 percent of the initial cannabis/marijuana users eventually went on to consume at least one other illicit or illegal drug. They also identified several risk factors that made the transition to other forms of drug use more likely, including relatively heavy marijuana/cannabis use, a personal history of an internalizing mental health condition (e.g., depression or an anxiety disorder) and a personal history of an externalizing mental health condition (e.g., conduct disorder or attention deficit hyperactivity disorder).

    Many critics debunk the notion of marijuana/cannabis as a “gateway” drug that increases the odds that a person will go on to use other substances. Part of this objection may stem from a perception or claim that the use of marijuana/cannabis causes a person to get involved in other forms of substance use. The study’s authors do not make such claims. However, they note the fact that large numbers of people who initiate drug use with marijuana/cannabis do indeed go on to other forms of drug intake. They also note the troubling connection between mental health problems and a progressive involvement in substance use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy View Post
    No, dear Beezer, I haven't, so from that standpoint I don't know anything about it. I have friends who smoke pot and a small number who use cocaine once in awhile.
    Which is why I do not advocate legalizing it. You do not know anything about it.

    I do. Go smoke some pot at a couple parties, then see who pulls out the meth, the coke, the heroin, the other stuff. ALL related. Where do you think all this pot comes from? Grandma's house? Even legalizing it...the scum of society will still be selling it and the other drugs.

    Some people can get high, outgrow it and move on. Millions do not...they go on to other drugs. It is worse now than ever before. Our population has doubled, our roads are overcrowded. This cannot happen.

    Used to be you could drink and drive in the 60's - 70's...roads were less crowded, less accidents. Who knows how the hell they got home in one piece. Not so much anymore. We have more drunk driving illegal aliens than US citizens driving drunk. We know we can't drink and drive anymore, we take a cab or Uber. We pay massive fines, lose our license, high car insurance or lose our jobs. Times have changed. Illegal aliens get away with and WALK away!

    Just look at the millions of homeless on drugs living in the streets, don't work. Starts with pot and goes on from there. I do not want millions more drug addicts loitering our streets.

    I think you mean well, but looking through tunnel vision. Only looking on the side of cops busting people and costs involved. As far as busting black people, well, what is the rest of their history of crimes? Many of these areas they are busted are full of crime, gangs and drugs. Generations of poverty and criminal records. They are not telling the truth...not just innocently smoking a joint, I can guarantee you that.

    White people are busted too, you get caught, you have a record...then you go to jail.

    You get caught with less than an ounce...you get a fine.

    More to the big picture of just legalizing it so nice people can smoke a joint without getting hassled.

    This will cost this country MORE than what it costs cops to bust someone.

    All these rotten politicians see are big $$$$ to fill their coffers for their pet projects. That is ALL. They are not seeing the unintended consequences of this, especially in a country this big. Money that they will WASTE and then we are left footing the bill for all the mess this will cause. Whatever these rotten politicians get in revenue...WE will be paying out 4 times that in rehab, addiction, crime, auto accidents, workplace accidents, the list is long.

    They may smoke pot in Amsterdam...but they are a speck of sand compared to the population of our country.

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    You can say the same thing about alcohol, food and .... oh yeah .... going to doctor or hospital. The difference between using marijuana and abusing alcohol, food and going to the doctor is pot won't kill you.

    I honestly believe this Train has left the station and all your ole tired authoritarian prose has and will continue to be dismissed by most Americans, and in my opinion, rightly so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beezer View Post
    Which is why I do not advocate legalizing it. You do not know anything about it.

    I do. Go smoke some pot at a couple parties, then see who pulls out the meth, the coke, the heroin, the other stuff. ALL related. Where do you think all this pot comes from? Grandma's house? Even legalizing it...the scum of society will still be selling it and the other drugs.

    Some people can get high, outgrow it and move on. Millions do not...they go on to other drugs. It is worse now than ever before. Our population has doubled, our roads are overcrowded. This cannot happen.

    Used to be you could drink and drive in the 60's - 70's...roads were less crowded, less accidents. Who knows how the hell they got home in one piece. Not so much anymore. We have more drunk driving illegal aliens than US citizens driving drunk. We know we can't drink and drive anymore, we take a cab or Uber. We pay massive fines, lose our license, high car insurance or lose our jobs. Times have changed. Illegal aliens get away with and WALK away!

    Just look at the millions of homeless on drugs living in the streets, don't work. Starts with pot and goes on from there. I do not want millions more drug addicts loitering our streets.

    I think you mean well, but looking through tunnel vision. Only looking on the side of cops busting people and costs involved. As far as busting black people, well, what is the rest of their history of crimes? Many of these areas they are busted are full of crime, gangs and drugs. Generations of poverty and criminal records. They are not telling the truth...not just innocently smoking a joint, I can guarantee you that.

    White people are busted too, you get caught, you have a record...then you go to jail.

    You get caught with less than an ounce...you get a fine.

    More to the big picture of just legalizing it so nice people can smoke a joint without getting hassled.

    This will cost this country MORE than what it costs cops to bust someone.

    All these rotten politicians see are big $$$$ to fill their coffers for their pet projects. That is ALL. They are not seeing the unintended consequences of this, especially in a country this big. Money that they will WASTE and then we are left footing the bill for all the mess this will cause. Whatever these rotten politicians get in revenue...WE will be paying out 4 times that in rehab, addiction, crime, auto accidents, workplace accidents, the list is long.

    They may smoke pot in Amsterdam...but they are a speck of sand compared to the population of our country.

    NO THANK YOU!
    Very well said, Beezer. I'm glad to see you take an active part in a discussion Judy, I, and jtdc have been having regarding the legalization of marijuana for a while now. At one point Judy was supporting the legalization of all schedule 1 drugs. Not sure if she still supports that or not.

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    ALCOHOL IS A DANGEROUS ADDICTIVE DRUG

    How many teens and pre-teens drink beer and then go on to use stronger alcohol and other drugs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnDoe2 View Post
    ALCOHOL IS A DANGEROUS ADDICTIVE DRUG

    How many teens and pre-teens drink beer and then go on to use stronger alcohol and other drugs?
    Not sure of the point you're attempting to make here. are you advocating for the legalization of marijuana simply because alcohol is legal? Perhaps if I knew your position, I could better respond.

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    Alcohol Abuse Statistics - Facts About Alcoholism & Addiction - Drug ...
    https://www.drugfreeworld.org/drugfacts/alcohol/international-statistics.html
    Alcohol kills more teenagers than all other drugs combined. It is a factor in the three leading causes of death among 15- to 24-year-olds: ... Teens who drink are more likely to use other illegal drugs and fifty times more likely to use cocaine than young people who never drink.
    --------------------------------------------------


    INTERNATIONAL STATISTICS




    Alcohol kills more teenagers than all other drugs combined. It is a factor in the three leading causes of death among 15- to 24-year-olds: accidents, homicides and suicides.


    • Youth who drink are 7.5 times more likely to use other illegal drugs and fifty times more likely to use cocaine than young people who never drink. One survey found that 32% of the heavy drinkers over 12 were also illegal drug users.
    • In 2005, 6.6% of the US population aged 12 or older, or 16 million people, reported heavy drinking (binge drinking on at least five days of the past thirty days).
    • Of the 3.9 million Americans who received treatment for a substance abuse problem in 2005, 2.5 million of them were treated for alcohol use.
    • Alcohol-related traffic deaths in the US were 12,998 in 2007. This is more than three times as many American soldiers who died in combat in the first six years of the Iraq war.
    • There are 1.4 million drunk driving arrests in the US every year.
    • A US Department of Justice study found that as many as 40% of violent crimes occur under the influence of alcohol.
    • In 2005–2006, there were 187,640 National Health System alcohol-related hospital admissions in England.
    • There were 6,570 deaths in England in 2005 from causes directly linked to alcohol use. In 2006, alcohol-related deaths in England rose to 8,758. This amounts to an annual increase of 7% from the previous year.
    • According to one study, of the 490 million people in the European Union, more than 23 million are dependent on alcohol.
    • In Europe, alcohol contributes to nearly one in ten of all cases of illness and premature deaths each year.
    • 39% of all traffic deaths involved alcohol in 2005.
    • 40% of violent crimes occur under the influence of alcohol.

    https://www.drugfreeworld.org/drugfa...tatistics.html

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    How many kids and people have some drinks at home or a party or the bar or restaurant and then say "oh, I think I'll shoot up some heroin now". Alcohol does not lead to hard drugs. Pot does.

    It is the environment! Pot, coke, meth, heroin, PCP, pills...all related!

    Throw the pot in the mix at a party...then out comes the other stuff. It's a fact.

    How many people dump a fifth of vodka in their cheerios before they go to work? Next to none.

    How many people will smoke a joint eating their cheerios before work if they legalize it? A LOT!!! No fear of getting busted anymore.

    Pot won't kill you? Sure, until the guy driving the train down the tracks gets stoned and runs if off the rails.

    Sure, until your co-worker in a restaurant is stoned out of his mind and drops a vat of hot oil all over himself and his co-workers.

    Pot won't kill you until the semi-truck driver is stoned and kills you.

    How about the pot head on the assembly line putting automobiles together.

    Very small percentage of people doing shots of Tequila at 6am getting ready for work. A very LARGE percentage of people WILL smoke a joint before work if they can now get away with it.

    At the workplace...1st day on the job for this guy. Pulls into parking lot...rolls window down a crack...smoke pouring out the window ON CAMERA. Security goes over and sure enough...this dude is getting high before his first day on the job. True story!!! And it ain't even legal yet! What the heck do you think is going to happen when they legalize it!

    We are conditioned not to drink and drive now. We know we will get busted and it will cost a fortune. We are getting in the habit of getting a taxi, or Uber or designated driver over the years.

    People that smoke pot will not do this.


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