Thread: Why I love my fellow citizens

As to your previous point about the differences between the parties, It's kind of like choosing whether the criminal attacking you is using a club or a knife. Either way, you're still getting hurt.

Good analogy Pine, except these days, I feel like it's more of a choice between a chainsaw and an AK-47. The potential for irreversible damage to our country by both the Democrats and Republicans escalates every day.

Originally Posted by CrocketsGhost

Originally Posted by cassie

Originally Posted by CrocketsGhost

Originally Posted by cassie

I'd trust health care more to be in the hands of the Dems for instance

Health care? That shouldn't even be a federal issue in a free constitutional republic. That's socialist nanny-state crap, and I defy you to find helthcare enumerated under the powers of Congress in Art. I, Sec. 8.

I and other's were talking about NAU and you find one sentence in my text to criticize me again

YOU, not I, brought health care into the discussion. Don't raise an issue and then get mad if someone comments on it.

I am trying to impress upon you the extent to which you do not seem to understand what should and should not be the priorities and obligations of the federal government.

No, I'm not mad at you. I'm mad at the persons that want to push NAU, mad at people that kill dolphins, seals, whales and other animals living in nature. I just think that the federal government should provide health care to all its citizens

Originally Posted by cassie

Originally Posted by CrocketsGhost

Originally Posted by cassie

Originally Posted by CrocketsGhost

Originally Posted by cassie

I'd trust health care more to be in the hands of the Dems for instance

Health care? That shouldn't even be a federal issue in a free constitutional republic. That's socialist nanny-state crap, and I defy you to find helthcare enumerated under the powers of Congress in Art. I, Sec. 8.

I and other's were talking about NAU and you find one sentence in my text to criticize me again

YOU, not I, brought health care into the discussion. Don't raise an issue and then get mad if someone comments on it.

I am trying to impress upon you the extent to which you do not seem to understand what should and should not be the priorities and obligations of the federal government.

No, I'm not mad at you. I just think that the federal government should provide health care to all its citizens

Then you are a socialist and an enemy of the free republic. Where do you think the government gets the money to do things like provide health care? It gets it from the pockets of the citizens. It is a function of the confiscatory power of government. The FFs knew that government would continue to expand the purposes for which it could get into the citizens' pockets until it took almost all of our money and controlled almost every aspect of our lives. That's why they strictly limited the delegated powers of Congress' taxing authority by enumerating the purposes for which it could engage in taxation in Art 1, Sec. 8, then made the limitations even more clear under Article X of the Bill of Rights.

See, here's the problem with what you want, cassie. You have your set of things that you want from government. Your next door neighbors have their set of things they want from government. New arrivals from other countries have their set of things they're used to having government provide, particularly if they are from one of the many socialist countries. Everyone can't have everything they want, so no one is supposed to get what they want UNLESS it's provision by the government is provided for among the enumerated powers. See, when you get something from the government, what you're really asking is for the government to steal from another citizen and give the spoils to you. Taxation is at best a necessary evil, but when it gets to the point that citizens create Christmas lists and expect the government to fill them with the pilfered earnings and confiscated property of their fellow citizens, it moves into the quite specific evil of covetousness and theft by proxy. Are you a thief, cassie? If you're not, then why would you ask the government to steal for you?

cassie wrote:

I just think that the federal government should provide health care to all its citizens.

Originally Posted by CrocketsGhost

Then you are a socialist and an enemy of the free republic. Where do you think the government gets the money to do things like provide health care? It gets it from the pockets of the citizens. It is a function of the confiscatory power of government. The FFs knew that government would continue to expand the purposes for which it could get into the citizens' pockets until it took almost all of our money and controlled almost every aspect of our lives. That's why they strictly limited the delegated powers of Congress' taxing authority by enumerating the purposes for which it could engage in taxation in Art 1, Sec. 8, then made the limitations even more clear under Article X of the Bill of Rights.

I just say what I think and it's your problem if you don't like it. I don't care what the FF's thought, we live now in this age and not hundreds of years ago. We don't need the 2nd amendment, it only increases our murder rate b/c guns make it easier for criminals to shoot innocent people. Germany is a Republic too, and they also have health care, they don't let their citizens down. Who is paying for the military, who is paying for the benefits for illegal aliens ?? Yes, the citizens. We can cut on those 2 and provide health care to all US citizens and legal residents, and emergency care for illegals should remain too, that is what prop 187 was all about - illegals should keep emergency care. You guys in Texas have probably never heard of 187 ? The FF's lived in a time that was backward compared to ours, they didn't have cars, airplanes, space shuttles, internet, television, aircraft carriers, etc. We live in a modern time, and in this time we can't let people down. bill of rights was made by men, and can bechanged by men, very simple.

See, here's the problem with what you want, cassie. You have your set of things that you want from government. Your next door neighbors have their set of things they want from government. New arrivals from other countries have their set of things they're used to having government provide, particularly if they are from one of the many socialist countries. Everyone can't have everything they want, so no one is supposed to get what they want UNLESS it's provision by the government is provided for among the enumerated powers. See, when you get something from the government, what you're really asking is for the government to steal from another citizen and give the spoils to you.

i'm not talking about asking anything a person wants from the government or that others should ask everything from the government. But good health care is very important, it's about life and death, how can you take it so lightly ? The FF's were wrong on this. Do I ask for a new car from the government ?? No, I'm talking about life threatening situations, and that health care should be available to everyone. Yes, I would tax you more if the result would be health care to everyone, but I don't need to tax more, we can cut education / benefits for illegals. We can stop amnesty that would cost us 2 trillion, that money can be used to provide free health care.

Are you a thief, cassie? If you're not, then why would you ask the government to steal for you?

And you prefer that we give amnesty that will cost tax payers 2 trillion. You support the war that will cost the tax payers 661 billion. Why do you want to steal 2,661 trillion Dollars from the tax payers, which is much more than giving free health care ?? If you start your accusations, then you'll get it back.

Originally Posted by cassie

Originally Posted by CrocketsGhost

Then you are a socialist and an enemy of the free republic. Where do you think the government gets the money to do things like provide health care? It gets it from the pockets of the citizens. It is a function of the confiscatory power of government. The FFs knew that government would continue to expand the purposes for which it could get into the citizens' pockets until it took almost all of our money and controlled almost every aspect of our lives. That's why they strictly limited the delegated powers of Congress' taxing authority by enumerating the purposes for which it could engage in taxation in Art 1, Sec. 8, then made the limitations even more clear under Article X of the Bill of Rights.

I just say what I think and it's your problem if you don't like it. I don't care what the FF's thought, we live now in this age and not hundreds of years ago. We don't need the 2nd amendment, it only increases our murder rate b/c guns make it easier for criminals to shoot innocent people. Germany is a Republic too, and they also have health care, they don't let their citizens down. Who is paying for the military, who is paying for the benefits for illegal aliens ?? Yes, the citizens. We can cut on those 2 and provide health care to all US citizens and legal residents, and emergency care for illegals should remain too, that is what prop 187 was all about - illegals should keep emergency care. You guys in Texas have probably never heard of 187 ? The FF's lived in a time that was backward compared to ours, they didn't have cars, airplanes, space shuttles, internet, television, aircraft carriers, etc. We live in a modern time, and in this time we can't let people down. bill of rights was made by men, and can bechanged by men, very simple.

See, here's the problem with what you want, cassie. You have your set of things that you want from government. Your next door neighbors have their set of things they want from government. New arrivals from other countries have their set of things they're used to having government provide, particularly if they are from one of the many socialist countries. Everyone can't have everything they want, so no one is supposed to get what they want UNLESS it's provision by the government is provided for among the enumerated powers. See, when you get something from the government, what you're really asking is for the government to steal from another citizen and give the spoils to you.

i'm not talking about asking anything a person wants from the government or that others should ask everything from the government. But good health care is very important, it's about life and death, how can you take it so lightly ? The FF's were wrong on this. Do I ask for a new car from the government ?? No, I'm talking about life threatening situations, and that health care should be available to everyone. Yes, I would tax you more if the result would be health care to everyone, but I don't need to tax more, we can cut education / benefits for illegals. We can stop amnesty that would cost us 2 trillion, that money can be used to provide free health care.

[quote:2jvrec8a]Are you a thief, cassie? If you're not, then why would you ask the government to steal for you?

And you prefer that we give amnesty that will cost tax payers 2 trillion. You support the war that will cost the tax payers 661 billion. Why do you want to steal 2,661 trillion Dollars from the tax payers, which is much more than giving free health care ?? If you start your accusations, then you'll get it back.[/quote:2jvrec8a]
At the risk of further muddling your little brain (buit for the benefit of anyone else auditing this discussion), do you fail to comprehend that it is not your decision or even that of a majority to cede powers to the federal government that were not ceded to it by the Constitution? Don't you even understand what the Constitution is? See, the premise upon wich this nation and its government rests is that ALL POWER IS INHERENT WITHIN THE PEOPLE. What that means is that the government has NO POWER WHATSOEVER except that which we have ceded to it by MUTUAL COMPACT. That's not a majority thing, but rather a supermajority thing, which is why it is so difficult to amend the Constitution. The ONLY authority that the government has to do ANYTHING is that VOLUNTARILY ceded to it by we the governed. Those who created the government understood that dumb-as-hell nitwits driven by greed or ineptitude would try to vote themselves heaping helpings of other people's property, so they limited the powers of government. It doesn't make one iota of difference what a useless dependent like yourself does or does not want, because unless it a power that is specifically granted to the government to do on your behalf, you don't have any right to it.

So get out of my pocket. If health care is so important to you and you can't afford it, take the time you WASTE posting here and get a second job to buy some damned health insurance like a responsible adult, rather than trying to get the government to steal someone else's money to give it to you.

Oh, and in case your little mind cannot comprehend it or you're too illiterate to read the Constitution, please take note that CONGRESS IS AUTHORIZED TO DECLARE WAR AND THAT THE PRESIDENT IS GRANTED POWER AS COMMANDER IN CHIEF TO PROSECUTE WAR PURSUANT THE DECLARATION OF CONGRESS AS HE SEES FIT. Congress is not, on the other hand, authorized to run a health insurance scam or to federalize an entire industry.

It's very easy. When we elect a president and congress that is willing to give free health care, we'll get it. The constitution is just a piece of paper that can be modified any given time we want too. We're the people, we have the power and can elect a government that is willing to change the constitution. And there's nothing the FF's can do about it. They had their time, and we are here to change their previous mistakes. Very simple.

Or do you, CG, like the constitution because you like the 14th amendment ?? Just kidding.

But I'm not kidding about changing the constitution. We have to get the bad things out of it. It should be the government's responsibility to take care of the well being of its citizens, it were the citizens that elected the government, and when the citizens want free health care, the government should provide it to them, no matter what the constitution says. the FF's are gone by now and we should do what's today's best interest.

Why the heck am I talking about the constitution ?
It's just like any law: " a piece of paper that can be modified / edited in an eye blink " I only care for what is good today and not the time the FF's lived.

Cassie, I agree that health care is important, but I don't think the federal govenment should necessarily be in the business of actually laying out the cash to make this happen. We already have many entitlement programs that are out of control and are being overwhelmed by the increasing population of people who pay little in taxes........medicaid, social security, and many others.

The federal government now spends a disproportionate amount (way more than half) of its yearly budget on entitlements, far more than in the recent past. Having it also take up health care will be a disaster. That said, having health insurance is important, and people should be mandated to purchase insurance. I recently heard an expert talking about this, and the bottom line was that if the government mandated or developed some health insurance program, the level of care would have to be scaled back to a basic level. In other words, there would be many things, e.g., tests, treatments, that would not be covered.

If you want a nanny government you really should consider moving elsewhere. You are doing nothing more than espousing socialism and there are plenty of socialist countries in the world that you could go sponge off, I am not particularly interested in being taxed even further to support everyone else. What happened to self reliance and responsibility?

As for your views on the Constitution and in particular the 2nd amendment...I am really at a loss for words and would not even know where to start.

cassie,

You didn't pay any attention during civics class, did you? I thought we were getting somewhere with your education and then you come out with this...

But I'm not kidding about changing the constitution. We have to get the bad things out of it. It should be the government's responsibility to take care of the well being of its citizens, it were the citizens that elected the government, and when the citizens want free health care, the government should provide it to them, no matter what the constitution says. the FF's are gone by now and we should do what's today's best interest.

Why the heck am I talking about the constitution ?
It's just like any law: " a piece of paper that can be modified / edited in an eye blink " I only care for what is good today and not the time the FF's lived.

My first question regarding this statement is, "What do you see as the 'bad things' in the Constitution? Which things do you want to 'get out of it'?

Next, I would observe that doing something 'no matter what the Constitution says' is cutting your nose off to spite your face. The Constitution is the very foundation of this nation and should be adhered to with fervor. It is the only thing that can protect us from a government gone mad. You really should read it sometime.

Finally, I would say that your not using the brain God gave you if you think, like GWB, that the Constitution is ' a G-D piece of paper'.

You've done really well at learning the things that people have told you here. It would be a shame if you refused to learn any more. Our system of government was developed by brilliant men who recognized the danger of letting the Federal beast off of it's chain. They studied and examined EVERY form of government in existence at that time, and the governments of history, before committing their dreams of freedom and justice to parchment.

They did a fantastic job, IMHO.