Thread: Barack Obama's citizenship questioned

[Indonesian Constitution, concerning adopting foreigners]

zhou tay wrote in Pajamas Media:

Article 7

(1) A foreign woman who is married to an Indonesian citizen shall be granted Indonesian nationality within a year's time, if at that time she has announced that she is willing to do so, except if she is granted Indonesian citizenship and still has another citizenship, it must not be allowed to be made public.

(2) With the exception in paragraph 1 above, a foreign woman that is married to an Indonesian will be granted Indonesian [citizenship] a year after her marriage, if within a year her husband does not declare to withdraw his Indonesian nationality. Only that declaration in which the husband shall not become as having no nationality at all can be declared and make him lose his nationality.

(3) If one of the declarations mentioned in paragraph 1 or 2 has already been declared, then no others may be declared.

(4) This announcement/declaration must be pronounced before the court or other Indonesian Representative in the area where that person is living.

Article 2

(1) A foreign child below the age of 5 who has been adopted by an Indonesian shall be granted Indonesian citizenship, if the court says this is legal in the juridiction in which the adopted parents live.

(2) The legal motion by the court must be requested by the adopted parents within a year after the adoption process, or within a year after this bill took effect.

If Obama was truly adopted by Lolo Soetoro, well, the marriage system between an Indonesian man and a foreign woman will make the children of her previous marriage become Indonesian, but of course the father must make this so. And if you want to put your child in an Indonesian public school, if you're a foreigner, you just can't, because the Indonesian constitution forbids that.

Article 31

(1) Tiap-tiap warga negara berhak mendapat pengajaran.

(2) Pemerintah mengusahakan dan menyelenggarakan satu sistem pengajaran nasional, yang diatur dengan undang-undang.

Translated, that becomes:

(1) Every Indonesian citizen must be educated.

(2) The Government shall establish and run one national education system, that is ruled by law.

Now here's the key: only Indonesian citizens have the right to have an education in Indonesia. For foreigners, education must be in the International school until the university level. They must have permission from the Indonesian government. After I learned the meaning of "warga negara" . . .

The two friends who both sent this to me did not cite any source, so I googled the title and found 1900 hits. Here's just one (hard to read, white on black): http://tinyurl.com/69c64e
This article mentions attorney Raymond Kraft, who has written on the controversy before. I believe Mr. Kraft to be a reliable source of information. He wrote a stunningly articulate article on why Judge Surrick's decision that Phil Berg did not have "standing" to sue is irrational, immorale, and legally wrong. Pull up the story, as there is more printed than what is copied below.
SUPREME COURT'S SOUTER TELLS OBAMA TO PRODUCE BIRTH CERTIFICATE
At this point, Supreme Court Justice David Souter's Clerk informed Philip J. Berg, the lawyer who brought the case against Obama, that his petition for an injunction to stay the November 4th election was denied, but the Clerk also required the defendants to respond to the Writ of Certiorari (which requires the concurrence of four Justices) by December 1. At that time, Mr. Obama must present to the Court an authentic birth certificate, after which Mr. Berg will respond.
If Obama fails to do that, it is sure to inspire the skepticism of the Justices, who are unaccustomed to being defied. They will have to decide what to do about a president-elect who refuses to prove his natural-born citizenship.
"I can see a unanimous Court (en banc) decertifying the election if Obama refuses to produce his birth certificate," says Raymond S. Kraft, an attorney and writer. "They cannot do otherwise without abandoning all credibility as guardians of the Constitution. Even the most liberal justices, however loathe they may to do this, still consider themselves guardians of the Constitution. The Court is very jealous of its power - even over presidents, even over presidents-elect."
Also remember that on December 13, the Electoral College meets to casts its votes. If it has been determined that Mr. Obama is an illegal alien and therefore ineligible to become President of the United States, the Electors will be duty-bound to honor the Constitution.

Obama camp: Lawsuits by citizens are 'garbage'
Legal challenges spring up across U.S., demand proof of eligibility for office

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Posted: November 13, 2008
10:30 pm Eastern


By Chelsea Schilling
© 2008 WorldNetDaily



More than a half-dozen legal challenges have been filed in federal and state courts demanding President-elect Barack Obama's decertification from ballots or seeking to halt elector meetings, claiming he has failed to prove his U.S. citizenship status.

An Obama campaign spokeswoman told WND the complaints are unfounded.

"All I can tell you is that it is just pure garbage," she said. "There have been several lawsuits, but they have been dismissed."

WND is tracking the progress of many cases across the U.S., including the following:

Ohio

David M. Neal of Turtlecreek Township, Ohio, filed suit in Warren Common Pleas Court in October to force Ohio Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner to request documents from the Federal Elections Commission, the Democratic National Committee, the Ohio Democratic Party and Obama to show the presidential candidate was born in Hawaii, the Cincinnati Enquirer reported.

Warren County Magistrate Andrew Hasselbach denied Neal's request, saying, "The onus is upon one who challenges such public officer to demonstrate an abuse of discretion by admissible evidence – not hearsay, conclusory allegations or pure speculation."

Connecticut

Connecticut resident Cort Wrotnowski challenged the authenticity of Obama's birth certificate on Oct. 31, and asked the court to order Secretary of State Susan Bysiewicz to verify Obama's citizenship before allowing the candidate to appear on the state ballot. State Supreme Court Chief Justice Chase T. Rogers threw out the case for lack of jurisdiction within a half hour of reviewing it.

"I have not seen the ruling yet," Wrotnowski told WND. "So, in reality, the case was not heard on its merits. … Currently, we are assembling information for another and better try."

Washington

As WND reported earlier, Steven Marquis of Fall City, Wash., filed suit Oct. 9 in Washington State Superior Court, calling for Secretary of State Sam Reed to determine whether Obama is a citizen before Election Day. Marquis released a statement saying the state has the authority to "prevent the wholesale disenfranchisement of voters" who might have otherwise had the opportunity to choose a qualified candidate should records show Obama is not a natural-born U.S. citizen.

Marquis said Obama's Hawaii birth certificate isn't evidence that the president-elect is a natural-born citizen because it doesn't reveal the hospital where Obama was born, a doctor's name or the baby's footprint, the Associated Press reported.

Superior Court Judge John Erlick dismissed the lawsuit, claiming the secretary of state does not have authority to inquire about Obama's birth certificate. He also said Marquis failed to name Obama as a party to the lawsuit.

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New Jersey

In Leo C. Donofrio v. Nina Mitchell Wells, Secretary of State of the State of New Jersey, retired attorney and New Jersey resident Leo. C. Donofrio asked the U.S. Supreme Court for an emergency stay on Nov. 3 prohibiting three candidates from appearing on New Jersey's ballots: Republican candidate John McCain, Democratic candidate Barack Obama and Socialist Worker's Party candidate Roger Calero.

Donofrio claimed the candidates are not "natural born citizens" as enumerated in Article 2, Section 1, of the Constitution of the United States, which states, "No person except a natural born citizen of the United States, at the time of adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President."

He wrote, Obama is not eligible for the presidency "even if it were proved he was born in Hawaii, since … Senator Obama's father was born in Kenya and therefore, having been born with split and competing loyalties, candidate Obama is not a 'natural born citizen' …"

"Republican candidate John McCain was born in Panama," the request states. "Socialist Workers Party candidate Roger Calero was born in Nicaragua. And the birthplace of Democratic candidate Barack Obama has not been verified by Respondent."

Donofrio said Panama has never been considered U.S. soil, and that McCain is merely a citizen at birth by statute, and not a "natural born citizen."

With three ineligible presidential candidates on ballots, Donofrio warned, New Jersey voters will "witness firsthand the fraud their electoral process has become."

Justice David Souter denied Donofrio's application on Nov. 6. However, his case is still pending as an emergency stay application. Donofrio is resubmitting his request for an emergency stay of the national election results and Electoral College meeting to Justice Clarence Thomas.

Pennsylvania

As WND reported earlier, prominent Pennsylvania Democrat and attorney Philip J. Berg filed suit in U.S. District Court three months ago claiming Obama is not a natural-born U.S. citizen.

Berg claimed that by failing to respond Obama has legally "admitted" to the lawsuit's accusations, including the charge that the Democratic candidate was born in Mombosa, Kenya.

U.S. District Judge R. Barclay Surrick dismissed Berg's argument on Oct, 24, ruling that he lacked standing to bring the case. He said Berg's allegations were "too vague and too attenuated."

"This is a question of who has standing to uphold our Constitution," Berg told Jeff Schreiber of America's Right blog. "If I don't have standing, if you don't have standing, if your neighbor doesn't have standing to question the eligibility of an individual to be president of the United States – the commander in chief, the most powerful person in the world – then who does?"

Berg filed a writ of certiorari in the U.S. Supreme Court on Oct.30, to force Obama to produce his birth certificate. Justice David Souter rejected an emergency appeal on Nov. 3, for the court to halt the tabulation of the 2008 presidential election results until Obama documented his eligibility to run for office. However, Souter set a schedule for a response from Obama, the DNC and all co-defendants on or before Dec. 1.

"I look forward to receiving Defendant Obama's response to the Writ and am hopeful the U.S. Supreme Court will review Berg v. Obama," Berg wrote in a Nov. 7 statement. "I believe Mr. Obama is not a consitutionally-qualified natural-born citizen and is ineligible to assume the office of the President of the United States."

Georgia

Rev. Tom Terry of Atlanta, Ga., appealed to the Georgia Supreme Court the day before the election to determine authenticity of Obama's original birth certificate and his qualifications to be president.

"I bear no personal ill will against Barack Obama," Terry, an independent, said in a statement. "In fact, his election solely on the basis as the first African-American president-elect is a very positive thing for our nation. However, as an American, I have very grave concerns about Mr. Obama's possible divided loyalties since he has strenuously and vigorously fought every request and every legal effort to force him to release his original birth certificate for public review and scrutiny. I think that is significant."

On Oct 24, Georgia Superior Court Judge Jerry W. Baxter denied Terry's request for an injunction against Secretary of State Karen Handel.

"I don't think you have standing to bring this suit," he said. "I think that the attorney general has argued the law. I think he is correct. I think you are not a lawyer."

Terry is appealing his suit even though Obama didn't win Georgia because he said he wants to set an example for other states. He is asking the court to direct Georgia Secretary of State Karen Handel to decertify all votes for Obama.

"Hopefully, this action will be noticed by other states and they will also take a serious look at the meaning of Georgia's Supreme Court's actions," he said. "It is apropos that the Latin motto in the Georgia Supreme Court is interpreted: 'Let justice be done, though the heavens fall.' I think if the Court rules in my favor, that motto will come alive with meaning and impact."

Hawaii

On Oct. 17, Andy Martin filed a writ of mandamus in Hawaii's Supreme Court to compel Gov. Linda Lingle to release a certified copy of Obama's vital statistics record. His request to expedite the circuit court was denied on Oct. 22.

Martin now has a pending case seeking access to Obama's original 1961 typewritten birth certificate. The circuit court hearing is set to begin Nov. 18.

The saga continues …

Several unconfirmed reports also indicate that citizens of Utah, Wyoming, Florida, New York, North Carolina, Texas, California and Virginia have also filed lawsuits or requested court orders to verify Obama's citizenship status.

As reported earlier, WND senior investigative reporter Jerome Corsi traveled both to Kenya and Hawaii to investigate issues surrounding Obama's birth.

But his discoveries only raised more questions.

The governor's office in Hawaii said he had a valid certificate but rejected requests for access and left ambiguous its origin – leaving some to wonder if the certificate on file with the Department of Health indicates a Hawaiian birth or whether it was generated after the Obama family registered a Kenyan birth in Hawaii.

The Obama campaign posted a certification of live birth, a document stating the baby was born on Aug. 4, 1961. However, according to the Department of Hawaiian Home Lands, there is a difference between the two documents. A certification of live birth is not an authentication of Hawaiian birth, and critics say the procedure could have allowed Obama's mother to have the baby elsewhere, return to the U.S. and obtain the document in Hawaii.

The Department of Hawaiian Home Lands makes a distinction between the two:

In order to process your application, DHHL utilizes information that is found only on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green. This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL.
However, Andy Martin has specifically requested verification of the original 1961 type-written certificate of live birth – or, as the Department of Hawaiian Home Lands describes it, the "more complete record" of Obama's birth.

Further adding to complications, Obama's half-sister, Maya Soetoro, has named two different Hawaii hospitals where Obama could have been born. In a November 2004 interview with the Rainbow Newsletter, Maya told reporters her half-brother Sen. Barack Obama was born on Aug. 4, 1961, at Queens Medical Center in Honolulu; then in February 2008, Maya told reporters for the Honolulu Star-Bulletin that Obama was at the Kapiolani Medical Center for Women and Children.

But a video posted on YouTube features Obama's Kenyan grandmother Sarah claiming to have witnessed Obama's birth in Kenya.

Seeking to settle the issue, Hawaii Department of Health Director Director Chiyome Fukino released an Oct. 31 statement saying, "State law (Hawai'i Revised Statutes §338-1 prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record. Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai'i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai'i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama's original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures."

The statement does not clarify whether "the record" is a certification of live birth or a Hawaiian certificate of live birth.

Before the election, WND retained a top private investigator in Hawaii with extensive FBI training and tasked him with visiting both the Queens Medical Center and the Kaliolani Medical Center to investigate claims that Obama birth certificates existed at either hospital.

However, the private investigator reported that sheriff's deputies were stationed at both hospitals to fend off press inquiries about Obama's birth certificate.

When WND asked the Obama campaign spokeswoman why Obama simply hasn't released the original 1961 certificate of live birth to make the lawsuits go away, she replied, "I have no idea. I think they released what they chose to release, and Hawaii has confirmed that he was born in Hawaii, so I don't know what else you want."

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Another lawsuit to add to the list:

Patriot Brigade Talk Radio Network - Launching New Lawsuit Against Barack H. Obama - The Right Way!November 12,2008: Norman, OK
The Patriot Brigade Talk Radio Network has teamed with new legal counsel, in Texas, and Oklahoma, to force Barack H. Obama ( President-Elect ) of the United States of America to produce a Certified Birth Certificate from the state of Hawaii ( or other state ) in compliance with the United States Constitution.

A public trust fund is currently being established which will be represented by the legal office of Todd Nalagan: Norman, OK, in which all funds donated, and given, as financial support will be used to ensure the success of legal counsel. This trust is public, which means that anyone wanting to know how the money is being used, and to whom it is being paid and for what reason(s) is public information.

Currently, a phone number is being set up as a support line for any inquires being made to Mr. Nalagan’s office. We’ll post that number in the next day or so. More information is being readied as we have just started this process. Please check back soon as information will be updated as needed. Note that a special page here on the Patriot Brigade Talk Radio Network and on Lan Lamphere’s website will be created with all the details once we have them established and are able to make them public.

http://www.patriotbrigaderadio.com/archives/186

The more I ponder the birth certificate issue, the more it stinks. I have closely watched the corruption and great lengths taken to ensure that WE THE PEOPLE will never know the truth. I have read everything from the judges decisions stating we have no right to question his eligibility to a clerk at the Supreme Court purposely sabotaging an appeal.

Because of his previously held elected offices, I feel that the entire government will jump on board the "hide the certificate" bandwagon. I believe at the end of the day, if the cert were to be released, it would show that not only is Obama not a natural born citizen, he is not a citizen at all. The ramifications would be unbelievable. From the Illinois statehouse to the US Senate, all bills he voted on or sponsored would have to be revisited. The riots from those who value the vote more than the constitution or liberty would light up the land with a fire that could be seen around the world. The damage one man purposely inflicted would make 9-11 look like a picnic. The fallout on those whose duty it was to vet him would be tremendous. I believe that the justices, while mainly disgusted with his lies and deceit, will aid him in concealing the truth under a false ideal of the lessor of two evils. This is not so different from the millions of voters (myself included) who decided to cast a vote for McCain, even though they thought he was not what the country needed, simply to avoid a worse fate. You and I might view breaking the constitution as the more evil of the choices, but I doubt the courts will view it in the same light, especially if nobody KNOWS and can only guess at what the truth really is. I think the Court will view that in time we will forget if they simply dismiss all cases, but to open this can of worms will forever change the fabric of our nation.

I wish someone with access to the real birth certificate would simply 'make it available' for public view, despite the repercussions.

I would certainly rally around any whistleblower who felt his duty to his country and Constitution overruled his legal obligation to keep a birth certificate private.

Just a thought ... in case anyone who works at the Hawaii BC registrar's office happens to be reading this ...

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"SUPREME COURT'S SOUTER TELLS OBAMA TO PRODUCE BIRTH CERTIFICATE"
- THIS HEADLINE IS FALSE AND MISLEADING.

[... a] translation of what SCOTUS tells us on their webpage as far as Berg's case:

"Berg filed a lawsuit in the Third Circuit, which means in a federal court somewhere in PA or NJ (seeking to require Obama to disclose the birth certificate). The Third Circuit denied that suit (on the basis that Berg doesn't have standing). Berg applied to SCOTUS for a writ of cert -- this just asks SCOTUS to take a look at the merits of the case that got dismissed in the lower court. SCOTUS gives Obama until Dec. 3 [Dec. 1] to respond to the application for a writ of cert. While SCOTUS is deciding whether to grant the writ and to then take a look at the merits (i.e., whether to decide if Obama has to produce the birth certificate), Berg files an application for an injunction -- I assume an injunction to delay the election until Obama shows the birth certificate. That application is denied on Nov. 3 and the election continues. SCOTUS has not yet decided whether to grant the writ or not. By Dec. 3 [Dec. 1], Obama may or may not respond to the application for a writ of cert."

In the Berg case, it is only after SCOTUS grants the writ of cert that SCOTUS will take up the issue of whether Obama has to produce the birth certificate. That's the thing Berg is asking for, and right now that's not even being considered by SCOTUS, they're still on the issue of whether to take the case or not.

RELEASE THE VAULT!

Slimguy notes, "Note carefully the writ only has to be responded to by that date [Dec. 1] which means either produce the document or file a motion of some type as to standing or such for dismissal or even a delay motion. I am leaning toward the idea that the court might deny standing and refer the issue to the Electoral College as the one who does have standing in this issue."

Andy Martin wrote, "McCain electors should 'jam up' the electoral college with parliamentary procedures and demands for production of Barack Obama's original, typewritten 1961 birth certificate (certificate of live birth)."

(Also see "An Open Letter to Barack Obama: Are you a Natural Born Citizen of the U.S.?"
by Robert L. Schulz of We The People Foundation for Constitutional Education, Inc.)

South Carolina electors

The South Carolina electors are:
DAWSON, HADDON, MOODY, KINLAW, AIKEN, POE, DELLENEY, and PHILLIPS.

If you are a South Carolina resident (or APO with South Carolina
as your state of residency), please send me a private message (PM)
requesting the full names and addresses of the electors.

Then send them each a letter requesting that they demand to see,
before voting, the original long form "VAULT" Certificate of Live Birth,
including the name and location of the hospital and the delivering
physician's signature... even if getting it requires a federal court order.

This will work if they receive enough mail from South Carolina voters.