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    Quote Originally Posted by cayla99
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    I think the solution would be that within the language of the law, they include a clause that states something to affect that with the production of adoption papers and the original certified copy of the modified birth cert showing the adoptive parents names. They can then mandate that an officer of the court be able to unseal the original birth cert and release in affidavit form the date of birth and place (state or country) of birth. This would be used exclusively in cases of adoption and proof of that adoption MUST be submitted to go this route. This would ensure the original privacy guarantees that the original sealing had attempted to provide, while also proving eligibility for office.
    I happen to be one of the few who knows their birth parents. While my birth father died in the late 80's, my birth mother lives five minutes away from me. I really think some provision of this type needs to be included. I'm sending it along to Daryl Metcalfe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cayla99
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    Cayla, your observations are spot on. Chaos and rioting would ensue if it was disclosed that Obama is not eligible via the constitution to become
    President. I don't there there is a snowball's chance in hell that the truth would be exposed AFTER he took the oath of office. It is terrifying to think that the truth would be forever covered up.
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    I disagree, if not now, it never will be revealed. Can you imagine the utter disaster it would be if they waited until after he is sworn in to release this info and he is not a citizen? Everything he signed would have to be voided and nullified. The confusion and chaos would lead to a certain anarchy. No, we will never know the truth if he gets sworn in, the consequences would be too great. As it is, I believe the primary reason for all of the help he is getting covering this up is because he is/was a senator. IF it is proven that he is not a citizen at all, this will mean that they would have to revisit EVERY SINGLE PIECE OF LEGISLATION HE VOTED ON. Did his single vote have the weight to decide the triumph or failure of whatever it is he was voting on. With the loss of Obama in the senate, did the Democrats even really have a majority? I am not sure of what affect this would even have on that. Then there is the possible ramifications in the state of Illinois on any legislature he voted on there. This can of worms could be huge and far reaching. I am thinking the powers that be may be deciding for us that it is better to keep the flow of things, even if it means breaking the constitution, than it is to look at the mess the truth being revealed would create. That is MHO.
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    I think the solution would be that within the language of the law, they include a clause that states something to affect that with the production of adoption papers and the original certified copy of the modified birth cert showing the adoptive parents names. They can then mandate that an officer of the court be able to unseal the original birth cert and release in affidavit form the date of birth and place (state or country) of birth. This would be used exclusively in cases of adoption and proof of that adoption MUST be submitted to go this route. This would ensure the original privacy guarantees that the original sealing had attempted to provide, while also proving eligibility for office.
    I happen to be one of the few who knows their birth parents. While my birth father died in the late 80's, my birth mother lives five minutes away from me. I really think some provision of this type needs to be included. I'm sending it along to Daryl Metcalfe.
    You are lucky, I have two adopted cousins, both who have sealed records and my aunt refuses to give either boy (now men in their 30's) any info. I was there when the youngest was adopted and remember his birth name. My aunt has not talked to me in 5 years because as his 30th birthday present, I told him all I knew. I felt he was now an adult and this was his right.
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    5. 2010 and 2012 Elections: I hope by the time the next elections roll around in 2010, states will have passed laws where a candidate for ANY public office, especially a
    candidate for Representative, Senator, Vice-President, and President of the United States, will be required to present a long form birth certificate, the one with the doctor's and hospital's names on it.
    This could be a problem. I am not aware of my state (PA) even having a long form kept on file.

    I got a new copy of my BC a couple yrs ago when mine got ruined. Also, I was adopted, so my original, at-birth documents are sealed.

    Anyone else in a similar situation might have the same problems. There would have to be some sort of special provisions for those who have been adopted, especially those adopted through the state-run foster care agencies.
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    Are you saying that Obama was adopted?
    I am aware that he was adopted by his step-father, but that wouldn't seal his original documents.
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    Excuse me. You say above that you are aware that Obama was adopted by his step-father?

    Do you realize that the Obama camp denies that Obama was ever adopted by his stepfather, Soetoro?

    My point is this: If Obama ever admits that he was adopted by Indonesia n citizen stepfather Soetoro, then that would cause chaos into the issue of whether or not Obama is eligible to become President of the United States.

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    This is a complete travesty.......I have no other words to explain how bad I feel right now.....The American constituntion has been trampled on and we the people have been told to accept it and shut up. Obama is above the law, so is his family.....i think we have all been tricked into believing that our govt. even enforces any law unless it inconvenience and tear American family's apart just to keep cops employed and to keep the money flowing in!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by CCUSA




    Obama and our coming constitutional crisis
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    Posted: November 08, 2008
    1:00 am Eastern

    © 2008

    I was in the delivery room in [Mombosa,] Kenya, when he was born Aug. 4, 1961.
    ~ Obama's paternal grandmother

    Nothing is more important than enforcing the Constitution.

    ~ Philip Berg, petitioner – Philip J. Berg v. Barack Obama, et al. (200

    As President-elect Barack Obama ascends to the presidency of the United States, there still remains a looming cloud above his head like the sword of Damocles. If and when that sword will fall plunging America into a constitutional crisis depends on a number of desperate and remarkable variables.

    Before I get into these variables, let's examine what the Constitution says. What are the requirements to become president? Section 1 of Article II of the U.S. Constitution states that a president must:

    be a natural born citizen of the United States;
    be at least 35 years old;
    have lived in the U.S. for at least 14 years.
    The inevitable constitutional crisis regarding Obama, of course, revolves around his inability (or unwillingness) to produce an authentic Hawaiian birth certificate with the raised certificate stamp that the Federal Elections Commission can independently verify.

    I know there are those who say Obama has produced an authentic birth certificate and posted it on his website, but experts and amateurs alike quickly found numerous errors in that document and deemed it a forgery (and a bad one at that).

    Philip J. Berg, a Democratic operative and former deputy attorney general of Pennsylvania, has assumed the tragic role of Prometheus, ascended Mount Olympus, the abode of Zeus, and has launched a one-man campaign to force Obama to verify his U.S. citizenship by suing the senator, the Democratic National Committee and the Federal Election Commission, to verify that indeed he is worthy to be president of the United States by producing a real birth certificate.

    Here are some of the unanswered issues hanging over the head of President-elect Barack Obama and the question of his American citizenship cited in an earlier article by WND news editor Drew Zahn:

    1) The allegation that Obama was born in Kenya to parents unable to automatically grant him American citizenship;


    2) The allegation that Obama was made a citizen of Indonesia as a child and that he retained foreign citizenship into adulthood without recording an oath of allegiance to regain any theoretical American citizenship;


    3) The allegation that Obama's birth certificate was a forgery and that he may not be an eligible, natural-born citizen;


    4) The allegation that Obama was not born an American citizen; lost any hypothetical American citizenship he had as a child; that Obama may not now be an American citizen and even if he is, may hold dual citizenships with other countries. If any, much less all, of these allegations are true, the suit claims, Obama cannot constitutionally serve as president.


    5) The allegations that "Obama's grandmother on his father's side, half brother and half sister claim Obama was born in Kenya," the suit states."Reports reflect Obama's mother went to Kenya during her pregnancy; however, she was prevented from boarding a flight from Kenya to Hawaii at her late stage of pregnancy, which apparently was a normal restriction to avoid births during a flight. Stanley Ann Dunham (Obama) gave birth to Obama in Kenya, after which she flew to Hawaii and registered Obama's birth."


    The claim could not be verified by WND inquiries to Hawaiian hospitals, since state law bars the hospitals from releasing medical records to the public;


    Even if Obama produced authenticated proof of his birth in Hawaii, however, the suit claims that the U.S. Nationality Act of 1940 provided that minors lose their American citizenship when their parents expatriate. Since Obama's mother married an Indonesian citizen and moved to Indonesia, the suit claims, she forfeited both her and Barack's American citizenship.

    Unfortunately, just 10 days before the election, a court of appeals judge threw out Berg's lawsuit challenging the veracity of Obama's U.S. citizenship status on technical grounds. Judge R. Barclay Surrick, a Jimmy Carter-appointed judge, amazingly (and with a tinge of irony), stated his opinion in part:

    In a 34-page memorandum that accompanied the court order, the Hon. R. Barclay Surrick concludes that ordinary citizens can't sue to ensure that a presidential candidate actually meets the constitutional requirements of the office.

    Surrick defers to Congress, saying that the legislature could determine "that citizens, voters, or party members should police the Constitution's eligibility requirements for the Presidency," but that it would take new laws to grant individual citizens that ability.

    "Until that time," Surrick says, "voters do not have standing to bring the sort of challenge that Plaintiff attempts to bring."

    Judge Surrick, quoting from Hollander, concludes, "The alleged harm to voters stemming from a presidential candidate's failure to satisfy the eligibility requirements of the Natural Born Citizen Clause is not concrete or particularized enough to constitute an injury."

    Surrick also quotes Lujan v. Defenders of Wildlife, which stated, in part, "The Supreme Court has consistently held that a plaintiff raising only a generally available grievance about government – claiming only harm to his and every citizen's interest in proper application of the Constitution and laws, and seeking relief that no more directly and tangibly benefits him than it does the public at large – does not state an Article III case or controversy."

    Constitutionally speaking, Judge Surrick's reasoning is completely illogical AND ..a total dereliction of his duty as a judge to substantively address this most vital constitutional controversy. Instead, in a gutless manner, Surrick dismissed Berg's complaint 10 days before the elections on a technicality of standing, which to any rational person begs the question: If Philip J. Berg as an American citizen, a respected Democratic operative and former attorney general of Pennsylvania doesn't have the "standing" to bring this type of lawsuit against Obama, then who in America does have standing? The good judge in all 34 pages of legal mumbo jumbo didn't bother to answer this pivotal question.

    That Berg's complaint is not "concrete or particularized enough to constitute an injury" is an amazing admission by any person that went to law school and even more so given the fact that Surrick is a respected appellate judge!

    I am somewhat hopeful that Berg will successfully appeal Surrick's outrageous decision to 3rd Circuit Court of Appeals and then to the United States Supreme Court if necessary, even if technically he doesn't have standing to hold Obama accountable to the Constitution. Why? Because this is America, and out of 300 million people, someone should Give a Damn enough about THIS Republic to MAKE SURE the person who holds the HIGHEST elected office in the land holds it LEGITIMATELY based on the black letter text of Article II, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution..!

    Unless and until Obama's citizenship question is DEFINITIVELY put to rest, then the proverbial sword of Damocles WILL CONTINUE to dangle precariously over his head AND America will face 50 lawsuits from ALL 50 states DEMANDING Obama PROVE that he is an authentic American citizen according to the U.S. Constitution.







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    Re: Researchers are convinced all is not as advertised.

    [quote="cayla99"][quote="MinutemanCDC_SC"][size=117]Note: LINKS in the embedded text below :

    Except for the diehard kool-aid merchants, most people who have read the extensive documentation on this are convinced that Sen. Obama et al are hiding something very damaging. He has sealed not only his long form Hawaii Certificate of Live Birth, but his medical records, his admission and financial aid records from Occidental College, Columbia University, Harvard Law School - indeed, any record that might have required the original long form "vault copy" of his birth certificate.

    A lawsuit in Honolulu in the First District Court is seeking a court-order to open Obama's sealed birth records. Obama has thus far neglected a Freedom of Information request for the records at two hospitals in Hawaii.

    Lawsuits in Washington, Georgia, California, Florida, Pennsylvania, New York, Connecticut, and Ohio have sought or are seeking state Superior Courts to force the states' Secretaries of State, as the chief state elections officers, to perform their state constitutional duties to require original certifying birth records from Mr. Obama that would verify his birth in Hawaii.

    Philip Berg's months-long lawsuit in Federal Court in Philadelphia reached a dramatic plateau as Mr. Obama and the Democratic National Committee (DNC) failed to respond to the court that Mr. Obama is not a natural born U.S. Citizen and therefore not qualified to run for office of President of the U.S. They admitted to Obama's non-qualification by their failure to respond to a 30-day court ordered discovery in which Obama and the DNC were ordered to answer a petition by Berg. [url=http://comments.obamacrimes.com]After the Federal court dismissed the case for “lack of standing,
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    Quote Originally Posted by mirse
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    Excuse me. You say above that you are aware that Obama was adopted by his step-father?

    Do you realize that the Obama camp denies that Obama was ever adopted by his stepfather, Soetoro?

    My point is this: If Obama ever admits that he was adopted by Indonesia n citizen stepfather Soetoro, then that would cause chaos into the issue of whether or not Obama is eligible to become President of the United States.
    The King Hussein O camp denied all kinds of things. What's your point? Just because they're in denial doesn't mean it isn't true.

    I believe Atty Philip Berg over an Obot any day.

    Besides, I've SEEN that school record from the school in Indonesia. It says his name was Barry Soetoro and his religion listed as MUSLIM, citizen of Indonesia. I followed links from here at ALIPAC and found it just last week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeaTurtle
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    Excuse me. You say above that you are aware that Obama was adopted by his step-father?

    Do you realize that the Obama camp denies that Obama was ever adopted by his stepfather, Soetoro?

    My point is this: If Obama ever admits that he was adopted by Indonesia n citizen stepfather Soetoro, then that would cause chaos into the issue of whether or not Obama is eligible to become President of the United States.
    The King Hussein O camp denied all kinds of things. What's your point? Just because they're in denial doesn't mean it isn't true.

    I believe Atty Philip Berg over an Obot any day.

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    I guess I didn't make myself clear: I agree with Atty Berg that Obama is not eligible to be president of the United States.

    Until I see Obama's long Hawaii birth certificate---the one with names of the birth doctor and the birth hospital from Aug. 4, 1961--- I say that Obama is trying to hide some details on that long form birth certificate that could hurt his chances to be the next President of the United States.

    My point is this: No one could be aware that Obama was adopted by his Indonesian citiizen stepfather Soetoro, because no one has ever claimed to have seen any adoption papers nor has anyone been able to prove that they even exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeaTurtle
    Quote Originally Posted by mirse
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    Excuse me. You say above that you are aware that Obama was adopted by his step-father?

    Do you realize that the Obama camp denies that Obama was ever adopted by his stepfather, Soetoro?

    My point is this: If Obama ever admits that he was adopted by Indonesia n citizen stepfather Soetoro, then that would cause chaos into the issue of whether or not Obama is eligible to become President of the United States.
    The King Hussein O camp denied all kinds of things. What's your point? Just because they're in denial doesn't mean it isn't true.

    I believe Atty Philip Berg over an Obot any day.

    Besides, I've SEEN that school record from the school in Indonesia. It says his name was Barry Soetoro and his religion listed as MUSLIM, citizen of Indonesia. I followed links from here at ALIPAC and found it just last week.

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