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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnDoe2
    Quote Originally Posted by USPatriot
    I don't think this has been posted here yet but is well wroth reading.BTW this site is no friend of Obama.

    http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICL ... hfinal.php

    I fear all this attention to the birth cert. is distracting people from real and present dangers like Health Care For IA's and a possible Amnesty.

    We should be visiting our Congress Critters Offfices while they are home and/or confronting them why Dems will not pass an amendment insuring everyone must show proof of citizenship to get Health Insurance .

    I am beginning to wonder if Left Wingers are fueling this Birth Debate as a diversion while they try to get Lou Dobbs fired and make those opposed to Obamanomics look like idiots.

    Just a thought.
    While we are there ask them if ALL members of congress will be covered by the new health plan.

    Will the president and his family be covered by the new health plan?

    Will all federal employees be covered by the new health plan?

    Will everyone in Medicare and Medicaid be moved to the new health plan?
    That question was asked on President Obama's tv show about Health Care.Obama said the insurance plan would be "Similar" to what Congress has.Yeah Right !
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    Some incredible research has been done on Anne Dunham's divorce proceedings and associated papers. We should be proud that there are a few brave souls with the courage and skills to see this through. If you decide to read this yourself pay special attention to the section discussing the missing "'page 11". The noose is tightening.

    "The Kenya BC, that I am seeking to be authenticated, is more plausible then the short version HI BC posted by Obama".

    http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/

    By the way, I have been to this site numerous times this week. There is NO malware. Google needs to remove the warning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TexasBorn
    www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/

    By the way, I have been to this site numerous times this week. There is NO malware. Google needs to remove the warning.
    Tell it to Google. Google is in the tank for Obama, along with ABC, AOL, CBS, MSNBC, Yahoo!, Wikipedia, FactCheck, Snopes, and your local school system. Even though they are well-informed and nobody's fools, least of all Mr. Obama's lapdogs, not even FOX NEWS, Bill O'Reilly, Neal Boortz, Ann Coulter, and the U.S. Armed Forces will allow the truth to see the light of day.

    This "malware warning" is just more disinformation to lead seekers astray; such will destroy Google's credibility and be its undoing.

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    He himself will fall into his own pit;
    But the blameless will inherit good. (Proverbs 28:10)
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    One man's terrorist is another man's undocumented worker.

    Unless we enforce laws against illegal aliens today,
    tomorrow WE may wake up as illegals.

    The last word: illegal aliens are ILLEGAL!

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    USPatriot asks if the birther debate is possibly being fueled by left-wingers to divert us from more important issues.

    May I assure you that is not the case.

    Some people who have recently broken out of the downstream media "cone of silence" think that this all started recently. But the public questioning of Mr. Obama's Constitutional qualification as a natural born citizen has been raging since early 2007. In June, 2008, shortly after the Daily K0s and FactCheck posted the altered Certification, WorldNetDaily brought this defrauding of America to America's attention, through the huge WND readership.

    USPatriot, you can blame me for it. I began this thread the day after the election, posting several detailed and documented overviews that I had written elsewhere before that time. My posts have continued to keep this thread going through some lean news periods since then. You can paint your target on me. I'm fueling this thread, as are HighlanderJuan, cayla99, FreedomFirst, TexasBorn, 93Camaro, and several other patriots. I can say with absolute certainty that on ALIPAC, the "birther debate" is not being fueled by left-wingers, but by truth-seekers who support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

    I have seen no evidence of such "provocateur" activities elsewhere, either. The Obama camp and fellow travelers have enough Achilles' heels that they wouldn't advertise their vulnerabilities.

    The "not natural born citizen" "bogus POTUS" is a fountainhead from which stream the many major problem issues:

    • pro-Is|am / anti-Israel;
    • Marxism / socialism / communism, and "econic stimuli" (rhymes with "fungi") funded by printing fiat money;
    • government takings of the financial sector and the automotive industry;
    • nationalization of healthcare;
    • drafting hospitals and their employees as abortion providers, violating religious rights and freedom of conscience;
    • same-sex marriage and adoptions, having a gay day/night in the White House, promoting the unveiling of homosexuals in the military;
    • standing down the military in Iraq and cutting the military budget (e.g., the F-22) while bureaucracy and social spending balloons; etc..

    Without the popular but Constitutionally ineligible Barack Obama on the November 4 ticket, there wouldn't be a super-majority in Congress to push the "destroy America" agenda. There wouldn't be a 100% liberal in the Oval Office to sign off on the theft of America by Congress. When the courts rule that Mr. Obama is Constitutionally unqualified for office, Rep. Nancy Pelosi and DNC Secretary Alice Travis Germond go to prison for perjury.

    I've explained to single-issue PACs until I'm blue in the face,

    to keep your group from being kicked to the curb, unite with the other aggrieved single-issue PACs to get the unlawful impostor out of the office of the President, for which only a natural born citizen qualifies -
    and that he ain't!
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    Unless we enforce laws against illegal aliens today,
    tomorrow WE may wake up as illegals.

    The last word: illegal aliens are ILLEGAL!

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    There were no more than 20 spectators in the courtroom for this history-making event. That shocked and saddened me.

    Here are YouTubes of Orly Taitz and Maj. Stefan Cook outside the Columbus, Ga., Federal Courthouse, after U.S. District Judge Clay Land dismissed Maj. Cook's lawsuit demanding clarification or verification of the Army chain of command:

    If Obama is NOT the legal President then are his decisions legal???

    Dr. Orly Taitz and Major Cook.

    The videos are edited but by no means censored.
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    Unless we enforce laws against illegal aliens today,
    tomorrow WE may wake up as illegals.

    The last word: illegal aliens are ILLEGAL!

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    Hawaiian DoH response

    Morning, folks. Below is the text of a response to an e-mail I sent to Hawaiian Department of Health after Dr' Fukino's brilliant letter regarding Obama being a natural born citizen.

    You will note that I asked the Hawaiian DoH some very specific questions, and their answer to me quoted Wikipedia. Really?

    It would appear that they are dumber than doorknobs or malicious as hell.

    I suspect the next correspondence should go to the state attorney general or secretary of state - someone with some legal sense, cuz the docs and the admins sure don't 'get it.'

    Think I should turn them into Obama's new disinformation czar?

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    From: vr-info [mailto:vr-info@doh.hawaii.gov]
    Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 11:15 PM
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    Subject: Re: STATEMENT BY HEALTH DIRECTOR CHIYOME FUKINO, M.D.

    Hi Juan,

    This is from Wikipedia:

    Federal law
    As of 2006 United States Federal law defines ten categories of person who are United States citizens from birth.(8 U.S.C. § 1401) Among them are

    "a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof"
    "a person born in the United States to a member of an Indian, Eskimo, Aleutian, or other aboriginal tribe" (see Indian Citizenship Act of 1924).
    "a person of unknown parentage found in the United States while under the age of five years, until shown, prior to his attaining the age of twenty-one years, not to have been born in the United States"
    "INA: ACT 302 - Sec. 302. (8 U.S.C. § 1402) All persons born in Puerto Rico on or after January 13, 1941, and subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, are citizens of the United States at birth".[15]

    People born in most of the territories of the United States are also citizens from birth[citation needed]. As of 2008, the only exception is that people born in American Samoa are only U.S. nationals at birth and not citizens, though they may later reside in the U.S. and apply for citizenship.[16]

    Since we know that Obama was born in Hawaii, he is therefore a citizen of the US.

    Mahalo for your interest in this matter,

    Aloha,

    vr-info

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    ---- Original Message -----

    From: Juan del Sur
    To: vr-info@doh.hawaii.gov
    Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 1:16 AM
    Subject: STATEMENT BY HEALTH DIRECTOR CHIYOME FUKINO, M.D.

    Sirs:

    Now that Dr. Fukino has 'verified' that Barack Obama is a "natural born American citizen" (see: http://hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2009/09-063.pdf) I have a few questions for DHS and for the good doctor:

    1. By what legal authority did Dr. Fukino 'verify' that Barack Obama is a "natural born American citizen," a specific legal federal definition?

    2. Why didn't Dr. Fukino use the term 'natural born United States citizen?'

    3. Because of widespread confusion regarding the term 'natural born citizenship,' what is the legal definition of "natural born American citizen" used by Dr. Fukino in his specific statement of Mr. Obama's verification?

    4. Who was Barack Obama's father listed on Obama’s birth certificate?

    5. Because a child’s ‘natural born citizenship’ is determined in part by the father's citizenship, was Barack Obama's father known by Dr. Fukino or DHS to be a U.S. citizen at the time of Barack Obama's birth?

    6. Will Hawaii DHS be similarly 'verifying' type of citizenship for all births hereafter, or was this a special situation?

    7. Will Dr. Fukino now allow a forensic evaluation of Mr. Obama's birth certificate by an impartial federal agency like the FBI?

    Legally, and until this time, United States citizenship has been determined by the federal government, and no state department or agency of any state has been empowered to define, classify, or 'verify' U.S. citizenship status.

    Is this why the phrase ‘natural born American citizenship’ was used by Dr. Fukino?

    Is U.S. citizenship ‘verification’ a new state power or authority for the states, and if so, where did this power or authority come from (the power and authority has certainly NOT been defined in the U.S. Constitution)?

    Thank you for your prompt answers to my questions.

    Best regards,

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    BTW, good posts last night MinuteMan, and thanks for keeping this topic alive and thriving.
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    Screw it. I turned in Hawaii Department of Health.

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    Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 10:13 AM
    To: 'flag@whitehouse.gov'
    Subject: FW: Re: STATEMENT BY HEALTH DIRECTOR CHIYOME FUKINO, M.D.

    Linda Douglass,

    As our new disinformation czar, and from your web site (http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/Facts-Ar ... rn-Things/) it is my understanding that you are trying to assure the information sourced by the government, and about the government and its employees, is accurate and truthful, and that there is no disinformation left unchallenged and uncorrected. I want to help assure that only complete, accurate, and legal information is made available from the government to the public and vice versa.

    On August 2, 2009, I sent an e-mail to the Hawaii Department of Health requesting a legal clarification, in some detail, of a press release provided by Dr. Fukino on the subject of her defining Mr.. Obama's citizenship status as a 'natural born American citizen' (see http://hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2009/09-063.pdf). My original e-mail request, as well as the response I received from the Hawaii Department of Health, are found below.

    The e-mail response from Hawaii Department of Health is clearly non-responsive to my specific informational requests and is additionally composed of only incomplete and non-responsive disinformation.

    I request that you review the e-mail response to me and reply with the appropriate and legally responsive answers to my questions. Additionally, it would be helpful for you to advise the Hawaii Department of Health to provide only legally sound responses to requests for department information.

    Thank you.

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    See my earlier post for actual e-mail content.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HighlanderJuan
    Screw it. I turned in Hawaii Department of Health.

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    Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 10:13 AM
    To: 'flag@whitehouse.gov'
    Subject: FW: Re: STATEMENT BY HEALTH DIRECTOR CHIYOME FUKINO, M.D.

    Linda Douglass,

    As our new disinformation czar, and from your web site (http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/Facts-Ar ... rn-Things/) it is my understanding that you are trying to assure the information sourced by the government, and about the government and its employees, is accurate and truthful, and that there is no disinformation left unchallenged and uncorrected. I want to help assure that only complete, accurate, and legal information is made available from the government to the public and vice versa.

    On August 2, 2009, I sent an e-mail to the Hawaii Department of Health requesting a legal clarification, in some detail, of a press release provided by Dr. Fukino on the subject of her defining Mr.. Obama's citizenship status as a 'natural born American citizen' (see http://hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2009/09-063.pdf). My original e-mail request, as well as the response I received from the Hawaii Department of Health, are found below.

    The e-mail response from Hawaii Department of Health is clearly non-responsive to my specific informational requests and is additionally composed of only incomplete and non-responsive disinformation.

    I request that you review the e-mail response to me and reply with the appropriate and legally responsive answers to my questions. Additionally, it would be helpful for you to advise the Hawaii Department of Health to provide only legally sound responses to requests for department information.

    Thank you.

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    See my earlier post for actual e-mail content.



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    A former CIA findings

    Clearing The Smoke On Obama’s Birth Certificate
    August 6th, 2009 Posted By Pat Dollard.


    Western Journalism:

    Western Journalism’s Editors Note: In December ‘08 a retired CIA officer commissioned an investigator to look into the Barack Obama birth certificate and eligibility issue. On July 21, 2009 westernjournalism.com obtained a copy of the investigator’s report. Here is an unedited version of the report.

    June 10, 2009 Report, updated July 18, 2009

    The Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii

    I think that I now understand the legal background to the question of where Obama was born.

    Let’s begin with the statement that Dr. Chiyome Fukino, the Director of the Hawaii Department of Health released on October 31, 2008. The television and print media used this statement as a reason to prevent and treat with contempt any investigation into whether Barack Obama was not born in Hawaii. But the language of the statement was so carefully hedged and guarded that it should have had the opposite effect.

    “There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-1 prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record. Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.â€
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    Patriot, excellent piece and extraordinarily compelling to this "feeble legal". One can only hope and surmise that this information is safely in the hands of another patriot, Orly Taitz. Let's pray that she remains safe. The "truth is out" there.
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