Thread: Barack Obama's citizenship questioned

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HJ side note. Canada Free Press, Pravda, The Daily Mail, are all examples of foreign news sources that publish information about happenings in America that our own allegedly 'free press' won't print. So, we conservative truthers are forced to shop internationally to get the information we need to know about what is happening in our own country.

This is a sad commentary on how bad things have become in America, largely because of the efforts of George Soros, and other wealthy control-oriented communist freaks, to destroy the best free nation on earth.

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The March on Washington comes, Obama runs, Glenn Beck still driving ACORN nuts.

September 13, 4:32 AM, Wichita Independent Examiner, Geoff Caldwell
http://tinyurl.com/qcckb6

Hundreds of thousands, and possibly over a million Americans upset with an increasingly "non-representative" government marched on Washington yesterday.

But rather than stay and listen to their grievances their President instead chose to hop Air Force One out of town. Once again off at taxpayer expense to yet another one of his healthcare rallies. This one a thousand miles away in much friendlier Minneapolis.

While Obama basked in campaign style chants of "Yes we can!" and "Fired up, ready to go!" the words in Washington were quite different.

From "enough, enough" and "We the People" to "You lie, you lie!" and "Pelosi has to go," the dailymail.co.uk reports the mood was definitely NOT in favor of Obama's plan for health care and his never ending spending.

A culmination of Glenn Beck's 912project , former House Majority Leader Dick Armey's freedomworks.org and other conservative groups, the turnout for yesterday's "March on Washington" surprised not only it's supporters but Washington authorities as well.

None other then the venerable New York Times (http://tinyurl.com/r6k7xr) had to report that:

"A sea of protesters filled the west lawn of the Capitol and spilled onto the National Mall on Saturday".... and.... "the magnitude of the rally took the authorities by surprise, with throngs of people streaming from the White House to Capitol Hill for more than three hours."

The main stream media editors must have been in agony, how DARE these upstarts get in the way of another Presidential rally. (Wouldn't you have loved to been a fly on the wall in those producer meetings when they realized the sheer number of protesters in Washington was going to force them to give coverage to the very people they disdain, AND take away from coverage they had intended to provide their beloved Saint?)

While the administration, its allies in Congress, and the media have done their best to paint the "tea baggers" as an unhinged, dirty, no need to bother with them fringe crowd, the march yesterday showed anything but. Rather it revealed a true grass roots movement rooted in the best of the traditions this country has to offer.

For thousands upon thousands, yesterday was an awakening. Never before protesting anything, they found themselves traveling cross country to join total strangers all for the sake of having their voices heard by a government that has for too long ignored them.

From young to old, white to black, man, woman, Republican, Democrat, Independent, they ALL came together in one unified voice with one unified purpose.

One voice against out of control government spending and the squandering of futures not yet told and generations not yet born.

Glenn Beck-ACORN update:

ACORN is not going to give up their power (no matter how corrupt that power may be) without a fight. Now another high placed nut in the organization has released another rant. Bertha Lewis, ACORN Chief Organizer says:

"The relentless attacks on ACORN’s members, its staff and the policies and positions we promote are unprecedented. An international entertainment conglomerate, disguising itself as a “newsâ€

Remembering that America is a Christian nation, let us not forget that Obama is a strong Muslim supporter. Someone who takes him to task on his views is another free-thinking, not-American, Geert Wilders.

In an article brought to us by Pam Geller at Atlas Shrugs from the Dutch newspaper, De Telegraaf (http://tinyurl.com/orys9u) we have this article:


Geert Wilders warns of the manner in which President Obama is embracing the muslim world. According this member of the Dutch parlaiment, President Obama is following a very dangerous and irresponsible policy and like the Dutch prime minister Balkenende, Obama is closing his eyes "for the big problems which islamization brings with it".

In an interview with the website NU.nl Wilders "slammed" Obama this Sunday. "Obama is familiar with Chamberlain, someone who can't see right who actually is THE enemy and plays soft friendship with them, instead of declaring: I stand for OUR values and that's what I'm fighting for" according to Wilders.

The Brittish Prime minister Chamberlain signed in 1938 the treaty of Munchen, hoping to save the world peace along with it. A big part of Tsjechoslowakije was however given over to Adolf Hitler in the Treaty. One year later Nazi Germany invaded Poland and World war 2 started.

Wilders admits that he makes a harsh comparison with this "But.. it is a very dangerous policy that Obama is following". The leader of the PVV gives as an example of the speech given by Obama earlier this year to the muslim world in Cairo. In this speech Obama declared that he wanted to embrace a new relationship without any mistrust and opposing views between the USA and the appr. 1.5 billion muslims in the world. Wilders called this very naive to embrace Islam and to put them on the same level as the free western world. "That is irresponsible and dangerous, because it will create a situation that people are going to "close their eyes" to the dangers".

People like Obama and Balkenende are just out for holding hands and singing songs under the Christmas tree and closing their eyes the whole year long for the problems that islamization brings with it.

(HJ more reasons to resolve the eligibility issue and get Obama out of office)

Ok folks, look, I don't want to stir up the pot here but someone needs to ask some obvious questions, again. I'm old enough and have the wisdom of years to know when something is terribly wrong. IMO, we are in the fight of/for our lives! I have come to respect the opinions of those on this topic and would like to hear your position on my extremist rantings below:

- How can a President of this country totally ignore one million American citizens who travel from all over the country to the White House to have their voices heard? Is this not just a little unsettling to anyone?

- ACORN by all accounts is a monstrous organization with deep roots in the government, money and power. A cancer with tentacles all across the country. Will they be investigated or will the truth be buried? Who will challenge the government and how?

- What happens if the majority of this country, who are justifiably angry, continue to be ignored and bills are passed, more money spent and the constitution ignored?

- What happens, when and if the truth finally comes out about Obama's eligibility, our government ignores this fact and does nothing? What are the alternatives?

- If the economy worsens as many experts predict, and our government
decides to spend another trillion dollars on bailouts, will Americans be ignored again? What should/can we do?

- Will the American people wait four years for a new election while the country is being destroyed from within?

- Are the 2010 elections our last hope?

Yes, I only spent a few minutes putting this hodgepodge of questions together but bear with my lunacy and give me your thoughts on the jist of my questions.

- How can a President of this country totally ignore one million American citizens who travel from all over the country to the White House to have their voices heard? Is this not just a little unsettling to anyone?

Bad decision on his part. Even HE can't honestly think his claim of "I didn't know" passes the smell test. He KNEW. It was the ultimate 'dis', in my opinion.

- ACORN by all accounts is a monstrous organization with deep roots in the government, money and power. A cancer with tentacles all across the country. Will they be investigated or will the truth be buried? Who will challenge the government and how?

I don't know what will come of the outing of Acorn this time. It would seem, at least in the eyes of the far left, that Acorn can do no wrong. Even when they're caught red-handed, it's just a tickle on the wrist for them.
There are a few who are challenging Acorn from the floor of congress. Michelle Bachman is one. There are more. We need to give them our full support while unrelentingly hammering the rest of congress to STOP GIVING THEM OUR MONEY! And if they won't ..... TAX REVOLT.

- What happens if the majority of this country, who are justifiably angry, continue to be ignored and bills are passed, more money spent and the constitution ignored?

TAX REVOLT. They only understand money and power in Washington. WE have BOTH. We only need to use them.

- What happens, when and if the truth finally comes out about Obama's eligibility, our government ignores this fact and does nothing? What are the alternatives?

Not something which should be discussed openly, in my opinion.

- If the economy worsens as many experts predict, and our government
decides to spend another trillion dollars on bailouts, will Americans be ignored again? What should/can we do?

I have little doubt that we will be ignored again...and again by our current government. Again, I believe a massive, majority TAX REVOLT would go a long way - finally get US noticed - so to say.

- Will the American people wait four years for a new election while the country is being destroyed from within?

Until an overwhelming majority of Americans 'get it', or until 'IT' happens to them...meaning the light bulb comes on and folks finally begin to see their rights and liberties being slowly stripped away.... really, really begin to understand and WANT to STOP IT FROM HAPPENING... then Yes, America will wait for 2012. Just pray you hear the popping sounds of millions of heads being pulled out of a$$es so this doesn't happen again.

- Are the 2010 elections our last hope?

NEVER give up hope. The word alone got a Kenyan muslim elected to the white house. Just think what WE could do with a little HOPE.
And there's always the good old TAX REVOLT. If everybody does it (or enough 'everybodys') the thieves in Washington would be forced to take notice.

Just my humble opinions.

Thank you florgal.

On the dark side, what is happening in Asia may follow us here. I believe that web censoring (see WSJ article below) is something we really need to pay attention to if we intend to pursue free speech topics like challenging Obama's eligibility. Censorship is what czars do to protect their master.

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Web Censoring Widens Across Southeast Asia
Governments Lacking Technical Means Use Coercion and Intimidation in Efforts to Suppress Criticism Online

By JAMES HOOKWAY
WSJ SEPTEMBER 15, 2009, Page A20

BANGKOK -- Attempts to censor the Internet are spreading to Southeast Asia as governments turn to coercion and intimidation to rein in online criticism.

Malaysia, Thailand and Vietnam lack the kind of technology and financial resources that China and some other large countries use to police the Internet. The Southeast Asian nations are using other methods -- also seen in China -- to tamp down criticism, including arresting some bloggers and individuals posting contentious views online.

That is distressing free-speech advocates who had hoped that Southeast Asia -- until recently a region where Internet use was relatively unfettered -- would become a model of open debate in the developing world as its economies modernize.

Censorship on the March

Malaysia has recently used its colonial-era Internal Security Act, which allows detention for up to two years without trial, to muzzle bloggers. Thailand is ramping up its reliance on a recently introduced Computer Crimes Act to restrict criticism of its royal family and limit the spread of what the government calls seditious material. Vietnam, an authoritarian Communist state, has been arresting people caught posting thoughts that run contrary to government policy, and has detained lawyers who try to defend them.

"A number of governments in the region have discovered they can't use technology alone to block out dissent because people will always find a way around it," says Roby Alampay, executive director of a Bangkok-based media advocacy group, the Southeast Asia Press Alliance. "Instead they are trying to send out the message that the government is watching what their citizens are up to, and many of these arrests are deliberately high-profile."

To be sure, not every government in the region is trying to bolt down the Internet. Singapore, where mainstream media are largely controlled by the government, has taken a relatively hands-off approach to the Internet. The governments of Indonesia and the Philippines don't limit political content on the Internet in their countries.

The case of Raja Petra Kamarudin, Malaysia's best-known blogger, reveals a different approach. The 58-year-old prince, or raja, in one of Malaysia's royal families started his feisty Malaysia Today news Web site a decade ago after the arrest of opposition leader Anwar Ibrahim on sodomy charges, which Mr. Anwar denied. Mr. Anwar was convicted, jailed until the conviction was overturned, and is now being prosecuted again on sodomy charges, which he again is denying.

Since launching his Web site, Raja Petra has been a thorn in the side of Malaysia's ruling National Front coalition, posting a series of articles notable for their criticism of the government. His postings led to his detention for nearly two months under the Internal Security Act in 2008.

Malaysian authorities have accused Raja Petra of suggesting in a letter to prosecutors investigating the murder of a Mongolian model in 2006 that Prime Minister Najib Razak was involved in the killing, which Mr. Najib denies. Raja Petra was charged with sedition and went into hiding. He says the charge is misdirected because he didn't publish the letter, though he admits writing it and stands by its contents.

Malaysian government spokesman Tengku Sharifuddin Tengku Ahmad declined to comment about Raja Petra's allegations, and he didn't respond to questions about the broader issues surrounding Malaysia's approach to censorship.

Malaysia's government is careful not to be seen to be directly censoring the Internet because of a longstanding pledge not to interfere online and potentially scare off foreign technology companies, such as Microsoft Corp., which operate there.

In August, Mr. Najib's government backed off from implementing Web filters similar to those used in China to weed out certain political topics and other contentious discussions. It has also considered requiring that bloggers register with the government, but decided not to implement the rule.

Instead, says Raja Petra, Malaysia's authorities are using criminal laws "to make an example of me so that others will run away from the truth," although he says their efforts will backfire. "Other bloggers are becoming more vocal and more aggressive."

Some media analysts suggest governments are catching up with the impact of the Internet and mobile-phone messaging and how they helped to trigger social upheavals in countries such as Ukraine and the Philippines. Iran's success in putting down Twitter and Facebook-driven protests this summer may have lent some indirect encouragement, too.

"Even if governments aren't censoring outright, they are providing an adequate disincentive to posting criticism. People now know there will be consequences," says Rebecca MacKinnon, a professor of journalism and media studies at Hong Kong University and a co-founder of GlobalVoices, an international citizens' media Web site.

In Thailand, police last month arrested two people for forwarding an audio recording of Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva purportedly ordering soldiers to attack antigovernment demonstrators. Mr. Abhisit said the recording is fake. Another Thai, Suwicha Thakor, was sentenced to 10 years in jail in June after pleading guilty to posting videos mocking Thailand's revered monarchy.

Thai government spokesman Panitan Wattanayagorn says the country's computer-crime laws are designed to protect people from fraud and defamation, and says the laws are at times being used to address what he describes as "national security" issues.

In recent weeks in Vietnam, meanwhile, popular blogger Bui Thanh Hieu was detained for several days after criticizing the government's mining policies; another blogger, Huy Duc, was fired from his job at a Ho Chi Minh City newspaper after the Communist Party complained about his posts, while others have also been briefly detained. A Vietnamese foreign-ministry spokeswoman on Thursday said the bloggers had been detained to enable police to investigate alleged violations of national security.

Internet-freedom advocates worry that more governments beyond Southeast Asia will follow the region's lead and try to take additional steps to tighten Internet controls.

"Being blocked from visiting a Web site is frustrating," Mr. Alampay, the Bangkok-based activist, says. "But when you see or hear about people being arrested, then that could stop you from logging on at all."

Write to James Hookway at james.hookway@wsj.com
Printed in The Wall Street Journal, page A20

Monday, Sep. 14, 2009
Judge questions Orly Taitz claims to have Obama birth certificate in hearing where Army officer fights deployment
By CHUCK WILLIAMS - chwilliams@ledger-enquirer.com


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During a hearing in U.S. District Court Monday, an attorney for an Army officer fighting deployment to Iraq questioned Barack Obama’s legal right to serve as president, asserting he was born in Kenya, not Hawaii.

Judge Clay Land, inquisitive throughout the 90-minute hearing, said he will issue a decision on Capt. Connie Rhodes’ request for a temporary restraining order by noon Wednesday.

Rhodes was represented by Orly Taitz, a California lawyer and a national figure in the “birtherâ€

September 13, 2009
New Hampshire Secretary Of State To Investigate Obama For Election Fraud
Filed under: A Nation Of Laws, AKA OBAMA AKA Soetoro AKA Dunham AKA God — aconservativeedge @ 9:13 pm
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New Hampshire Secretary Of State To Investigate Obama For Election Fraud.
New Hampshire Secretary of State William Gardner, a non-partisan appointee, has agreed to investigate allegations that Democrats and Barack Hussein Obama misrepresented his natural born status in order to gain placement on the New Hampshire ballot as a presidential candidate. Gardner agreed to the investigation after a request made by State Rep. Lawrence Rappaport on Thursday. According to a report by The Post & Email, the issue has arisen over the discovery that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi signed two different certifications of Obama’s nomination as the Democratic candidate, one certification stating he was a natural born citizen and constitutionally eligible to serve as president a second one omitting the constitutional qualification language. The latter certification was sent to state election officials according to the Canada Free Press. The Post & Email’s John Charlton writes:



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[quote="FedUpinFarmersBranch"]Monday, Sep. 14, 2009
Judge questions Orly Taitz claims to have Obama birth certificate in hearing where Army officer fights deployment
By CHUCK WILLIAMS - chwilliams@ledger-enquirer.com


Comments (32)

During a hearing in U.S. District Court Monday, an attorney for an Army officer fighting deployment to Iraq questioned Barack Obama’s legal right to serve as president, asserting he was born in Kenya, not Hawaii.

Judge Clay Land, inquisitive throughout the 90-minute hearing, said he will issue a decision on Capt. Connie Rhodes’ request for a temporary restraining order by noon Wednesday.

Rhodes was represented by Orly Taitz, a California lawyer and a national figure in the “birtherâ€

[color=red]“If Sen. McCain would have won, would you be objecting to deployment to Iraq?â€

Originally Posted by florgal

- ACORN by all accounts is a monstrous organization with deep roots in the government, money and power. A cancer with tentacles all across the country. Will they be investigated or will the truth be buried? Who will challenge the government and how?

I don't know what will come of the outing of Acorn this time. It would seem, at least in the eyes of the far left, that Acorn can do no wrong. Even when they're caught red-handed, it's just a tickle on the wrist for them.
There are a few who are challenging Acorn from the floor of congress. Michelle Bachman is one. There are more. We need to give them our full support while unrelentingly hammering the rest of congress to STOP GIVING THEM OUR MONEY! And if they won't ..... TAX REVOLT.

[quote:3vyrad16]- What happens if the majority of this country, who are justifiably angry, continue to be ignored and bills are passed, more money spent and the constitution ignored?

TAX REVOLT. They only understand money and power in Washington. WE have BOTH. We only need to use them.

- What happens, when and if the truth finally comes out about Obama's eligibility, our government ignores this fact and does nothing? What are the alternatives?

Not something which should be discussed openly, in my opinion.

- If the economy worsens as many experts predict, and our government
decides to spend another trillion dollars on bailouts, will Americans be ignored again? What should/can we do?

I have little doubt that we will be ignored again...and again by our current government. Again, I believe a massive, majority TAX REVOLT would go a long way - finally get US noticed - so to say.

- Are the 2010 elections our last hope?

NEVER give up hope. The word alone got a Kenyan muslim elected to the white house. Just think what WE could do with a little HOPE.
And there's always the good old TAX REVOLT. If everybody does it (or enough 'everybodys') the thieves in Washington would be forced to take notice.

Just my humble opinions.[/quote:3vyrad16]
Haven't heard those two words in a while, florgal. They depend on two other words we rarely hear any more: fiscal responsibility. Without fiscal responsibility, refusing to pay tribute is no threat. Socialists and others who have not grown up simply spend money as though there is no tomorrow, with no thought of repaying the debts they create.

The Congressional Budget Office projects a $1.8 trillion federal deficit for fiscal year 2009. The pirates in control of the hijacked ship of state don't care if another $200 billion of taxes don't come in. They'll just print (even more) money and charge it.

Didn't you get the Tea Party message?