Thread: Barack Obama's citizenship questioned

Nice piece Grandma. The evidence continues to stack up. Hopefully soon we will come to a conclusion on this insanity!

From Miss Tickly last night:

http://misstickly.wordpress.com/2009/10 ... omment-117

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ramjet767 said
10/04/2009 at 10:28 pm

Miss Tickly,

Regarding the accepted and filed terms and the birth records for the twins having a file number lower than Obama’s and yet Obama was allegedly born the day before the twins and thus his number should be lower than the twins, how does this scenario sound?

Obama is born on the 4th of Aug 1961 in Kenya. Ann phones home and tells grandma about the new news, she has a grandson. The twins are born in the Hawaii hospital on the 5th and there birth registration is filed by the hospital. That filing is received on the 7th or the morning of the 8th in the morning mail at the Health Department and the file numbers are assigned. Then later in the afternoon of the 8th in walks grandma Dunham and drops off the filled our mail in form or fills out the form there in the office registering her new grandson as being born at home in Hawaii and stating the mother is to weak to come in herself to do it. She thus filed the birth registration after the twins registration even though Obama was born before the twins. That would account for the out of order file numbers for Obama and the twins at first glance based simply on the dates of birth reported. It is really the date of filing that would get the number, yes/now? And with my theory, grandma Dunham filed the birth registration after the twins had theirs filed. How does that narrative sound and fit the facts known?

RJ

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John Charlton said
10/05/2009 at 12:20 am

Ramjet,

I’ll present a tweeked version.

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Obama is born on the 4th of Aug 1961.

The twins are born in the Hawaii hospital on the 5th and there birth registration is filed by the hospital. That filing is received on the 7th or the morning of the 8th in the morning mail at the Health Department and the file numbers are assigned.

Then later in the afternoon of the 8th in walks grandma Marilyn Dunham and drops off the filled our mail in form or fills out the form there in the office registering her new grandson as being born in the backyard cottage of the home at 6085 Kalanianaole Highway, in Hawaii and stating the mother is to weak to come in herself to do it.

Marilyn insists that her daughter give birth there, because she is deeply ashamed of having a mixed race grandson, and does not want the doctors at a hospital deliver such from her white daughter.

This is her excuse to hide the race of the child. On the birth filing she submits she indicates that the race of the parents and child is WHITE.

She thus filed the birth registration after the twins registration even though Obama was born before the twins. That would account for the out of order file numbers for Obama and the twins at first glance based simply on the dates of birth reported.

But HI only files this at-home-birth affidavit, and requests more informaion, which is never received, because Stanly Ann Dunham is sent by mom to WA state to get her out of town at the first possibility.

Years later Barry Jr. finds this original filing document in a closet. He has already been trained to hate the white race by Frank Marshal Davis, so when he sees grandma’s filing he goes beserk, because it says that he is WHITE.

So sometimem thereafter he files an alteration request (Amendment is for adoptions only), and gets the AFRICAN race indication put on it.

But this filing is not accepted, because his father and mother are already dead.

So before granny dies, he tries to get her to give him an affidavit so that he can get his birth record accepted. He does get something, but HI still wont accept, because she is a third party.

So he is really in a fix, since he has no legal evidence of his birth, AND IN FACT CANNOT PROVE WHEN OR WHERE HE WAS BORN, LET ALONE HIS PARENTS IDENTITY.

This is why when he files his Selective Service Registration he does not show his BC, because he does not have one.

What he does do, is have his campaign issue a COLB to show the information claimed by Marilyn Dunham in her affidavit, that is why it says filed, not accepted.

His lawyers give him this advice, since they believe so long as there are no contrary affidavits outstanding, that he can legally claim a HI birth, with Dunham and Obama Sr. as parents.

This is why Kenya will not admit to having documents that prove Obama Sr. is his father; because there are none in existence anywhere.

What his lawyers did not count on is the NBC issue.

Now his goose is double cooked.

[I'd have loved to post this interpretation at The Post & Email, but Ramjet and you MissTickly deserve credit.]

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Claudia said
10/05/2009 at 12:45 am

ramjet767,

OR….. there are two different hospitals located in close proxmity to each other and each hospital is given a “setâ€

And from Miss Tickly last night and this morning:

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EarthwalkUSA said
10/04/2009 at 11:34 pm

Find the video of Obama when he was running for Senator and said to “somebody,â€

(Continued)

Thank you, John. So do you know what happened to the tape, or why has it disappeared? Does ABC or C-SPAN still have an uncut copy?

My version of the story came from a search request on a blog some six months or more ago. I assumed (I know, that’s a bad thing to do) because we have never seen the tape displayed since then, that the tape was never found, and being the conspiratorial kind of guy that I am, I assumed the worst.

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Author: John Charlton
Comment:
I cannot say. I can say that at least one witness of the C-Span broadcast is willing to file an affidavit about what he did see. There are probably thousands of Alan Keyes fans out there also who recorded the C-span broadcast, and don't realize that their old VHS recording, stored away in the closet will one day help bring down the "president".

See all comments on this post here:
http://misstickly.wordpress.com/2009/10 ... /#comments

So, let me try to sum up, at least my understanding, of TeriK's results.

- There is proof of amendments as recently as 2008 of Obama's vital records in HI.
- It is not yet known what was amended on the records.
- The records at this point have only been FILED with the state but not ACCEPTED by the State Registrar, ie; there may have been an attempt to submit unverifiable or false information to the Registrar.
- As such, any COLB obtained from such records would not be legally acceptable in a court of law or for purposes of proof of constitutional eligibility. The DNC, Pelosi and the state electoral representatives could be found criminally liable.
- It is clear that their was probable collusion within the HI Democratic office to cover themselves and to mislead and/or purposely distort the procedures and policies pertaining to records "maintained" on file for Obama.

Please correct or add to this. One thing is for sure, the hounds are closing in and the fox is running out of places to hide.

Big day on Monday - Orly is back in Judge Carter’s Courtroom!
http://americangrandjury.org/
October 5th, 2009
[quote]
Monday morning, October 5th, Attorney Dr. Orly Taitz will arrive at Judge Carter’s US District Court ready for action. If all goes well there will be a Pre-Trial Hearing on Jan. 11, 2010, and a Trial date set for Jan. 26, 2010. Obama’s Attorneys are doing everything in their power to get this dismissed but I don’t think Judge David O. Carter is going to bite.

At this hearing the judge will rule on the defendant’s motion to dismiss. If he finds in favor of the plaintiffs, our side, discovery will then begin. Which means Obama will be asked to produce documents he has thus far been withholding..

All of us here at American Grand Jury are praying everything goes well for our side. If you get a chance you might want to stop by Orly’s website and donate whatever you can afford. I know her expenses have gotten really out of hand lately. It costs a lot of money to play the courtroom game against Mr. “Big Bucksâ€

[quote="HighlanderJuan"]From Miss Tickly last night:

http://misstickly.wordpress.com/2009/10 ... omment-117

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ramjet767 said
10/04/2009 at 10:28 pm

Miss Tickly,

Regarding the accepted and filed terms and the birth records for the twins having a file number lower than Obama’s and yet Obama was allegedly born the day before the twins and thus his number should be lower than the twins, how does this scenario sound?

Obama is born on the 4th of Aug 1961 in Kenya. Ann phones home and tells grandma about the new news, she has a grandson. The twins are born in the Hawaii hospital on the 5th and there birth registration is filed by the hospital. That filing is received on the 7th or the morning of the 8th in the morning mail at the Health Department and the file numbers are assigned. Then later in the afternoon of the 8th in walks grandma Dunham and drops off the filled our mail in form or fills out the form there in the office registering her new grandson as being born at home in Hawaii and stating the mother is to weak to come in herself to do it. She thus filed the birth registration after the twins registration even though Obama was born before the twins. That would account for the out of order file numbers for Obama and the twins at first glance based simply on the dates of birth reported. It is really the date of filing that would get the number, yes/now? And with my theory, grandma Dunham filed the birth registration after the twins had theirs filed. How does that narrative sound and fit the facts known?

RJ

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John Charlton said
10/05/2009 at 12:20 am

Ramjet,

I’ll present a tweeked version.

———–
Obama is born on the 4th of Aug 1961.

The twins are born in the Hawaii hospital on the 5th and there birth registration is filed by the hospital. That filing is received on the 7th or the morning of the 8th in the morning mail at the Health Department and the file numbers are assigned.

Then later in the afternoon of the 8th in walks grandma Marilyn Dunham and drops off the filled our mail in form or fills out the form there in the office registering her new grandson as being born in the backyard cottage of the home at 6085 Kalanianaole Highway, in Hawaii and stating the mother is to weak to come in herself to do it.

Marilyn insists that her daughter give birth there, because she is deeply ashamed of having a mixed race grandson, and does not want the doctors at a hospital deliver such from her white daughter.

This is her excuse to hide the race of the child. On the birth filing she submits she indicates that the race of the parents and child is WHITE.

She thus filed the birth registration after the twins registration even though Obama was born before the twins. That would account for the out of order file numbers for Obama and the twins at first glance based simply on the dates of birth reported.

But HI only files this at-home-birth affidavit, and requests more informaion, which is never received, because Stanly Ann Dunham is sent by mom to WA state to get her out of town at the first possibility.

Years later Barry Jr. finds this original filing document in a closet. He has already been trained to hate the white race by Frank Marshal Davis, so when he sees grandma’s filing he goes beserk, because it says that he is WHITE.

So sometimem thereafter he files an alteration request (Amendment is for adoptions only), and gets the AFRICAN race indication put on it.

But this filing is not accepted, because his father and mother are already dead.

So before granny dies, he tries to get her to give him an affidavit so that he can get his birth record accepted. He does get something, but HI still wont accept, because she is a third party.

So he is really in a fix, since he has no legal evidence of his birth, AND IN FACT CANNOT PROVE WHEN OR WHERE HE WAS BORN, LET ALONE HIS PARENTS IDENTITY.

This is why when he files his Selective Service Registration he does not show his BC, because he does not have one.

What he does do, is have his campaign issue a COLB to show the information claimed by Marilyn Dunham in her affidavit, that is why it says filed, not accepted.

His lawyers give him this advice, since they believe so long as there are no contrary affidavits outstanding, that he can legally claim a HI birth, with Dunham and Obama Sr. as parents.

This is why Kenya will not admit to having documents that prove Obama Sr. is his father; because there are none in existence anywhere.

What his lawyers did not count on is the NBC issue.

Now his goose is double cooked.

[I'd have loved to post this interpretation at The Post & Email, but Ramjet and you MissTickly deserve credit.]

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Claudia said
10/05/2009 at 12:45 am

ramjet767,

OR….. there are two different hospitals located in close proxmity to each other and each hospital is given a “setâ€

The administrative rules Alvin Onaka uses are in the process of being changed. If we can find the old or existing Chapter 117 somewhere, it may tell us what differences Hawaii’s procedural changes are going to be.

http://gen.doh.hawaii.gov/sites/har/adm ... fault.aspx

Office of Health Status Monitoring 117

Vital Statistics, Registration & Records. Converting from Public Health Regulations Chapters 8, 8A, and 8B to Administrative Rules.

New Rules in Process
Alvin Onaka
(80 586-4600

Computer terminals at every nursing station mean that RN's post all patient events before leaving for the day. But 48 years ago, nurses and techs sent their handwritten records of patient events to data processing. During those dark ages, the stack of handwritten records was not sorted by date, by name, or by account number before being entered into the system.

Data processing clerks posted pt records in whatever random order they arrived in the basket. They had to be filed correctly within five days to assure Medicare reimbursement, but it was entirely possible, even probable, for individual records for one day to be filed after some records for the following day. Waiting for the attending physician's signature often caused a record to arrive late in DP (and DP would be blamed for the delay).

In 1961, filing and posting at the State of Hawaii Div. of Vital Records would have been no different, IMHO. There would have been no way to have known whether all of the entries for one day had been posted before beginning the posting of entries for the next day. Within a small range of variation, the order of the record numbers proved nothing about which patient event occurred first.

Has anybody heard how todays hearing in front of Judge Carter turned out?