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    you say what i say is false i think youre mistaken. i belive he was born in Hawaii.. i put all the other stuff for all the believers that still believe he wasnt. he was born in Hawaii which is USA and hes a citizen. the case has ZERO merits and it will never get anywhere. McCain's citizenship was also questioned at some point. he has provided his birth certificate and if people want to believe then good.. if they dont then too bad for them. we can argue till we're blue in the face but its not going to change anything. The USA considers him a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN cause he was born here. He's the president elect and no one can change that, people will just have to deal with that for the next 4 or 8 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Immigrantgrl
    you say what i say is false i think youre mistaken. i belive he was born in Hawaii..
    We don't care what you "believe", we want hard proof and a Supreme Court decision one way or the other. Until you are Chief Justice, your opinion is worth nothing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Immigrantgrl
    provided in the Naturalization Act of 1790 that "And the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond the sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens."
    Umm, that law was updated and clarified in I think 1932. Also notice the older laws says "citizens", meaning born to two US Citizens, which Obama was not.
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    There are too many items that don't add up in this case. If any or all of Berg's accusations are true...then we need to know it and correct it....no matter the consequences. Allowing anyone who is not legally eligible to remain in a position this important....is placing our country and its laws on the same level of a third-world county. Have we already degressed that low???

    My daughter was born to U.S. citizen parents in the military in an American-run hospital in Germany and was considered a citizen of the U.S. As soon as we returned to the states...we obtained a U.S. citizenship birth certificate for her so there would be no questions as to her legal status in later years. Little did we now at the time how important that piece of paper would be. Even though she has no plans of running for any office that requires U.S. citizenship.....with so many illegal aliens entering the country with fake ID or no ID....she will certainly not be questioned on her legality. She has LEGAL PROOF!!!

    Whether McCain's parents obtained a state-side birth certificate or not....John McCain is a U.S. citizen by way of his father being in the U.S. military and his mother a legal U.S. citizen...no matter where he was born!!

    I suggest any U.S. citizen born outside of the states obtain a U.S. birth certificate. If your original BC has any incorrect or insufficient information on it....have it corrected ASAP. You will have to provide proof for the corrections...but you will be glad you did. (Did you know that anyone can get a BC on the internet???) With so many illegal aliens entering the country from all foreign countries....you never know when you might need to provide CORRECT and LEGAL PROOF!!

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    Obama and our coming constitutional crisis
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    Posted: November 08, 2008
    1:00 am Eastern

    © 2008

    I was in the delivery room in [Mombosa,] Kenya, when he was born Aug. 4, 1961.
    ~ Obama's paternal grandmother

    Nothing is more important than enforcing the Constitution.

    ~ Philip Berg, petitioner – Philip J. Berg v. Barack Obama, et al. (200

    As President-elect Barack Obama ascends to the presidency of the United States, there still remains a looming cloud above his head like the sword of Damocles. If and when that sword will fall plunging America into a constitutional crisis depends on a number of desperate and remarkable variables.

    Before I get into these variables, let's examine what the Constitution says. What are the requirements to become president? Section 1 of Article II of the U.S. Constitution states that a president must:

    be a natural born citizen of the United States;
    be at least 35 years old;
    have lived in the U.S. for at least 14 years.
    The inevitable constitutional crisis regarding Obama, of course, revolves around his inability (or unwillingness) to produce an authentic Hawaiian birth certificate with the raised certificate stamp that the Federal Elections Commission can independently verify.

    I know there are those who say Obama has produced an authentic birth certificate and posted it on his website, but experts and amateurs alike quickly found numerous errors in that document and deemed it a forgery (and a bad one at that).

    Philip J. Berg, a Democratic operative and former deputy attorney general of Pennsylvania, has assumed the tragic role of Prometheus, ascended Mount Olympus, the abode of Zeus, and has launched a one-man campaign to force Obama to verify his U.S. citizenship by suing the senator, the Democratic National Committee and the Federal Election Commission, to verify that indeed he is worthy to be president of the United States by producing a real birth certificate.

    (Column continues below)




    Here are some of the unanswered issues hanging over the head of President-elect Barack Obama and the question of his American citizenship cited in an earlier article by WND news editor Drew Zahn:

    The allegation that Obama was born in Kenya to parents unable to automatically grant him American citizenship;


    The allegation that Obama was made a citizen of Indonesia as a child and that he retained foreign citizenship into adulthood without recording an oath of allegiance to regain any theoretical American citizenship;


    The allegation that Obama's birth certificate was a forgery and that he may not be an eligible, natural-born citizen;


    The allegation that Obama was not born an American citizen; lost any hypothetical American citizenship he had as a child; that Obama may not now be an American citizen and even if he is, may hold dual citizenships with other countries. If any, much less all, of these allegations are true, the suit claims, Obama cannot constitutionally serve as president.


    The allegations that "Obama's grandmother on his father's side, half brother and half sister claim Obama was born in Kenya," the suit states."Reports reflect Obama's mother went to Kenya during her pregnancy; however, she was prevented from boarding a flight from Kenya to Hawaii at her late stage of pregnancy, which apparently was a normal restriction to avoid births during a flight. Stanley Ann Dunham (Obama) gave birth to Obama in Kenya, after which she flew to Hawaii and registered Obama's birth."


    The claim could not be verified by WND inquiries to Hawaiian hospitals, since state law bars the hospitals from releasing medical records to the public;


    Even if Obama produced authenticated proof of his birth in Hawaii, however, the suit claims that the U.S. Nationality Act of 1940 provided that minors lose their American citizenship when their parents expatriate. Since Obama's mother married an Indonesian citizen and moved to Indonesia, the suit claims, she forfeited both her and Barack's American citizenship.
    Unfortunately, just 10 days before the election, a court of appeals judge threw out Berg's lawsuit challenging the veracity of Obama's U.S. citizenship status on technical grounds. Judge R. Barclay Surrick, a Jimmy Carter-appointed judge, amazingly (and with a tinge of irony), stated his opinion in part:

    In a 34-page memorandum that accompanied the court order, the Hon. R. Barclay Surrick concludes that ordinary citizens can't sue to ensure that a presidential candidate actually meets the constitutional requirements of the office.
    Surrick defers to Congress, saying that the legislature could determine "that citizens, voters, or party members should police the Constitution's eligibility requirements for the Presidency," but that it would take new laws to grant individual citizens that ability.

    "Until that time," Surrick says, "voters do not have standing to bring the sort of challenge that Plaintiff attempts to bring."

    Judge Surrick, quoting from Hollander, concludes, "The alleged harm to voters stemming from a presidential candidate's failure to satisfy the eligibility requirements of the Natural Born Citizen Clause is not concrete or particularized enough to constitute an injury."

    Surrick also quotes Lujan v. Defenders of Wildlife, which stated, in part, "The Supreme Court has consistently held that a plaintiff raising only a generally available grievance about government – claiming only harm to his and every citizen's interest in proper application of the Constitution and laws, and seeking relief that no more directly and tangibly benefits him than it does the public at large – does not state an Article III case or controversy."

    Constitutionally speaking, Judge Surrick's reasoning is completely illogical and a total dereliction of his duty as a judge to substantively address this most vital constitutional controversy. Instead, in a gutless manner, Surrick dismissed Berg's complaint 10 days before the elections on a technicality of standing, which to any rational person begs the question: If Philip J. Berg as an American citizen, a respected Democratic operative and former attorney general of Pennsylvania doesn't have the "standing" to bring this type of lawsuit against Obama, then who in America does have standing? The good judge in all 34 pages of legal mumbo jumbo didn't bother to answer this pivotal question.

    That Berg's complaint is not "concrete or particularized enough to constitute an injury" is an amazing admission by any person that went to law school and even more so given the fact that Surrick is a respected appellate judge!

    I am somewhat hopeful that Berg will successfully appeal Surrick's outrageous decision to 3rd Circuit Court of Appeals and then to the United States Supreme Court if necessary, even if technically he doesn't have standing to hold Obama accountable to the Constitution. Why? Because this is America, and out of 300 million people, someone should give a damn enough about this republic to make sure the person who holds the highest elected office in the land holds it legitimately based on the black letter text of Article II, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution.

    Unless and until Obama's citizenship question is definitively put to rest, then the proverbial sword of Damocles will continue to dangle precariously over his head and America will face 50 lawsuits from all 50 states demanding that President Barack Obama prove that he is an authentic American citizen according to the U.S. Constitution.






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    Don't just sit there, DO THIS!

    See the handwriting on the wall and ACT. TIME IS SHORT.

    Write the Sec. of State of your state. Ask for the names and mailing addresses of your state electors. Send your request certified, return receipt required, and KEEP the receipt for a legal trail.

    Write each of the electors, certified, return receipt required. Send them hard copy of the relevant posts, including the links, on this thread at
    http://www.alipac.us/ftopict-137238-.html. Ask politely that they take the time to examine the FACTS which Democrats are attempting to bury or cover up with a smoke screen.

    (Some of the posts are disinformation from Daily Kos and the Annenberg's FactCheck site. Those claims have been authoritatively debunked elsewhere many times. There is no value in debunking them again here. That would only obscure the discussion with static and tangents. Keep your eyes on the goal, and stay the course.)

    If at least ONE ELECTOR stands up to the chairman on Dec. 15 and demands verification that the candidate meets the Constitutional qualifications, that can open an official U.S. State Dept. investigation into the vault birth certificate at the Hawaii Dept. of Health, Div. of Vital Statistics. It can also bring to light the passport records at the U.S. State Dept., which should have a record of his oath of allegiance to the U.S. instead of Indonesia after his 18th birthday.

    At least ONE ELECTOR (or five Supreme Court justices) must demand discovery of Sen. Obama's birth and passport records. Otherwise, his coverup of his vault birth certificate, along with his medical records, his passport applications, his admission and financial aid records at Occidental College, Columbia University, and Harvard Law School, and any other application (such as Little League baseball) which required his original birth certificate -- his coverup will thwart the Constitution of the United States of America.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Immigrantgrl
    And really lets just put this to rest.. u dont have to believe me. how about believing people that have seen it themselves?? not just some bloggers that have nothing better to do than start some conspiracy theories

    http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...n_the_usa.html

    the problem with fact check is that its run and supported by george soros.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lynne
    ...if one of the parents is a US citizen and the child is born in a foreign country, the child is automatically a US citizen IF at least one parent has lived in the US for 14 years, 5 of them over the age of 21. She had Obama at age 18.
    Actually, from 1952 until 1986, the law read, "5 years after the age of 14," which rules out 18-year-old Stanley Ann Dunham Obama. Since 1986, the law reads, "2 years after the age of 14." But that is not retroactive; retroactivity only applies to the proviso about military and government employees.
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    The health dept in Hawaii claims to have verified the document exists, not sure how that came to be since one is supposed to only be allowed to view it if they are a blood relative or the person who bears it's name. But regardless, she never said that the COLB stated he was born in Hawaii.
    The "Certification of Live Birth" - the short form which has been shown to be a forgery - states that he was born in Honolulu on Aug. 4, 1961. But the "Certificate of Live Birth" - the long form with the name of the hospital and the attending physician - is sealed. We don't know what city and country of origin may be written in box 7(C), or what other damaging information may be on that vault copy. But Pres.-elect Obama knows, and he is hiding something.

    Air France has a round trip flight from Nairobi (NBO) to Honolulu (HNL) for $2675.81, including taxes.

    I don't know if Mama Sarah, Barack Obama II's step-grandmother, counts as a blood relative. But do you suppose his half-sister or half-brother might be enticed to see Diamond Head and Waikiki Beach?
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    On Dec. 1, the U.S. Supreme Court is to decide whether to hear Phil Berg's case.
    Hoping & paying.
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    Re: Researchers are convinced all is not as advertised.

    [quote="MinutemanCDC_SC"][size=117]Except for the diehard kool-aid merchants, most people who have read the extensive documentation on this are convinced that Sen. Obama et al are hiding something very damaging. He has sealed not only his long form Hawaii Certificate of Live Birth, but his medical records, his admission and financial aid records from Occidental College, Columbia University, Harvard Law School - indeed, any record that might have required the original long form "vault copy" of his birth certificate.

    A lawsuit in Honolulu in the First District Court is seeking a court-order to open Obama's sealed birth records. Obama has thus far neglected a Freedom of Information request for the records at two hospitals in Hawaii.

    Lawsuits in Washington, Georgia, California, Florida, Pennsylvania, New York, Connecticut, and Ohio have sought or are seeking state Superior Courts to force the states' Secretaries of State, as the chief state elections officers, to perform their state constitutional duties to require original certifying birth records from Mr. Obama that would verify his birth in Hawaii.

    Philip Berg's months-long lawsuit in Federal Court in Philadelphia reached a dramatic plateau as Mr. Obama and the Democratic National Committee (DNC) failed to respond to the court that Mr. Obama is not a natural born U.S. Citizen and therefore not qualified to run for office of President of the U.S. They admitted to Obama's non-qualification by their failure to respond to a 30-day court ordered discovery in which Obama and the DNC were ordered to answer a petition by Berg. [url=http://comments.obamacrimes.com]After the Federal court dismissed the case for “lack of standing,
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