Thread: Barack Obama's citizenship questioned

FreedomFirst,

Thanks for the additional info on the WTC debacle unfolding before our eyes.

Let's recap:

Calls for Obama eligibility verification are rejected and vilified by the courts. NBPP members are prejudicially protected by DoJ. Tea Parties (even with hundreds of thousands of attendees) get ignored by government. 70% rejection of Obamacare, and still it gets pushed through? Town hall meetings with elected representatives are a sham. Citizens protest stupid in-your-face insults like building a mosque at Ground Zero, and still the actions gets local political support. Etc., etc., etc.

Once again I make the point: Nothing in government seems to be working for the American people anymore. There appear to be no patriots working in government.

Have we really lost our government to foreign influences? Is it time for open rebellion, or will that be the excuse used to impose martial law and to prevent November elections.

Have we been conquered by our enemies? I have proposed nullifying the central government's unlawful actions - do we now have to nullify state and local unlawful and stupid actions also? When does the madness stop? How do we stop it?

I fear we are witnessing the actual and final breakup of our beloved America. Short of physical means, I don't know what the people can do to stop the destruction, but it must be stopped.

Ideas anyone?

See passages highlighted in bold. In my experience, any unemployment rate 6% and above means: fewer openings, harder to get interviews for what openings there are. No way in hell will this administration survive this environment.

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Economists uncertain about future, but no one sees a rapid U.S. turnaround
By Aldo Svaldi
The Denver Post

Like a trucker navigating a steep mountain pass, the U.S. economy is shifting down a gear and struggling to avoid a stall.

Debt troubles in Europe, sluggish job gains at home and waning federal stimulus spending are all drags on an economy that needs to accelerate.

"The fact that there is even talk about it is a bit unnerving," Gary Horvath, a Broomfield economist, said about a double-dip recession.

Stock markets have fallen since late April — despite a strong uptick last week — as evidence has mounted of slower consumer spending, anemic job growth and declining home sales.

Members of the Group of 20 in late June set a goal of trying to cut their their deficits by half by 2013 at a time when some argue that another round of spending is needed.

Mainstream economic forecasts offer a view of continued, if somewhat slower, growth — although skeptics might note these same forecasters missed the crash and credit freeze of 2008.

A Bloomberg compilation of more than 93 economic forecasts calls for the U.S. economy to grow 2.75 percent in the third quarter, 2.8 percent in the fourth and 3.7 percent in the first quarter of 2011.

The forecasters are less optimistic about the unemployment rate, which they expect to remain above 9 percent for most of 2011 before dropping down to 8 percent in 2012.

On the immediate horizon is the start of corporate earnings reports for the second quarter. General Electric, Google and JP Morgan Chase are reporting this week, and the eyes of investors will be on whether they provide positive guidance for the months ahead.

The Obama administration also lacks the votes in Congress to pass a second round of stimulus spending, leaving state governments especially vulnerable.

Horvath warned that the eventual expiration of the $800 billion federal stimulus package could blow huge holes in already strained local and state government budgets, forcing more service cuts and layoffs. Horvath also is a layoff victim. He lost his job last month in a downsizing at the University of Colorado at Boulder.

The Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, which studies how fiscal policies affect low-income people, estimates state governments face a shortfall of $140 billion in the coming year.

The city of Denver last week said it expects a $100 million budget deficit next year, $20 million higher than budget officials projected in April, that could lead to layoffs.

The state of Colorado could face a $1 billion shortfall in its 2011-12 budget if an enhanced federal match for Medicaid goes away, a scenario that seems increasingly likely.

Economists choose their words carefully when talking about another recession, and most of them don't want to think about what would happen if one came.

"If the economy goes down a second time, then it likely goes down for good," predicted Peter Morici, a University of Maryland economist.

"Unemployment would rise into the teens, and the economy would sink into a depression — a deep and painful slump from which it cannot soon recover," he wrote recently.

Morici argued that the nation needs to rework its trade and industrial policies to create more jobs domestically.

Providing a counterpoint, bullish economists note that soft patches are not uncommon in any recovery.

"We are suffering from Armageddon hypochondria," Jim Paulsen,

Click on image to enlarge chief investment strategist at Wells Fargo Capital Management, recently told Bloomberg. "It is a normal pause in a recovery that is ongoing."

Headwinds the economy faced in the second quarter have eased. Interest rates are down, the price of oil is down and the U.S. dollar is weakening, which helps exports, he said.

Temporary employment firm Manpower also found the 18,000 employers it surveys regularly more optimistic about future hiring plans, especially in Denver.

David York, manager of Manpower's downtown Denver branch, said he is seeing more of his workers get hired full time, but adds that caution remains the word.

"This recovery is very slow," York said.

Part of the uphill climb the economy faces is that it must create 130,000 to 150,000 a month just to keep pace with people entering the workforce, but that doesn't help make up for the 7.9 million jobs lost since December, York said.

Some of those who do the hiring fret about how high taxes might get.

"When businesses become more comfortable with the direction and the clarity of costs, they will hire more rapidly," said Paul Larkins, chief executive of SquareTwo Financial, an asset-recovery company managing a $6.7 billion portfolio of consumer debts.

Denver-based SquareTwo has boosted its workforce by 14 percent this year and successfully raised $475 million from investors. So why isn't Larkins among the optimists?

"When I ask our human resources department about health care costs and can't get an answer, it causes me to pause when I think about growth plans," he said.

Larkins isn't expecting a double dip but is planning on what he calls the new normal — economic growth in the range of 1.5 percent to 2.25 percent a year.

"We have to operate within the environment we have," he said.

http://www.denverpost.com/ci_15482211

Obama - Sock puppet? Or dummy?

(But if HE’S Charlie McCarthy, who’s playing the part of Edgar Bergen?)

Recently (and incorrectly) attributed to the WSJ, the below was actually penned 6 months ago, by Alan Caruba, January 2, 2010: http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/caruba/100102

It’s worth the 3 minutes to read. Sobering.

[b]“Houston, we have a problem.â€

Today is day 7 of "140 days of prayer for America and her spiritual direction."
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Tim Adams may not have all his Constitutional i's crossed and t's dotted, but he is a voice of sanity in this controversy.

http://www.youtube.com/v/5v2HhZ-L-MU

Everything else he says is straight Democratic Party line, so he has credibility as a Democrat
to even a koolaid-saturated progressive when he presents this one vitally important vital statistic:

there is no long form Hawaii Certificate of Live Birth for Barack Obama II - one does not exist.

Originally Posted by HighlanderJuan

FreedomFirst,

Thanks for the additional info on the WTC debacle unfolding before our eyes.

Let's recap:

Calls for Obama eligibility verification are rejected and vilified by the courts. NBPP members are prejudicially protected by DoJ. Tea Parties (even with hundreds of thousands of attendees) get ignored by government. 70% rejection of Obamacare, and still it gets pushed through? Town hall meetings with elected representatives are a sham. Citizens protest stupid in-your-face insults like building a mosque at Ground Zero, and still the actions gets local political support. Etc., etc., etc.

Once again I make the point: Nothing in government seems to be working for the American people anymore. There appear to be no patriots working in government.

Have we really lost our government to foreign influences? Is it time for open rebellion, or will that be the excuse used to impose martial law and to prevent November elections.

Have we been conquered by our enemies? I have proposed nullifying the central government's unlawful actions - do we now have to nullify state and local unlawful and stupid actions also? When does the madness stop? How do we stop it?

I fear we are witnessing the actual and final breakup of our beloved America. Short of physical means, I don't know what the people can do to stop the destruction, but it must be stopped.

Ideas anyone?

My goal is to wait till after Nov. I am vocal about what is going on and share what I can but after Nov. I will begin to pick groups with more patriotic punch than the Tea Party. I look for more states to nullify laws to send a message and a National movement to empower the peoples law again.

If a movement does not happen soon to check the courts for illegality of constitutional law...we are doomed.

If you have not read this declaration from New Hampshire...please do:

http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/legisla ... R0006.html

Originally Posted by TexasBorn

Just watched a video that I had never seen. Very well put together and really made me sit up and take notice. Like to hear what others think about it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHxb_vZe7Ao

Can't really say it was fun to watch...! A must see for any one that is clueless on the issues.

HylanderJuan wrote,

Ideas anyone?

Can we learn to think differently? Granted many Americans, and most here as you have pointed out, are awake or awakening. Time to up the ante. I have been on a boycott against TV for around 25 yrs. now. Point is, I did that on my own. When people start to identify the enemies of our country, should it be difficult to start being very careful as to how we act economically and in other ways, ways that an independent action can play a role in a more collective (sorry, that word has an irksome ring) manner on the whole. Can 20% of the populace change the direction? I think so. After all, our founders constituted 1/3 of the populace, or there abouts. 1/3 Tories, 1/3 Patriots, and 1/3 confused.

The collective thought process of a minor percentage of progressives and commies, hard core lefties have led the thought process of a nation in their favor over many years with much monetary support and media to boot.

My point is, it was a way of thinking that was implemented that has led us to this point in time. JMHO

Originally Posted by hardlineconstitutionalist

My goal is to wait till after Nov. I am vocal about what is going on and share what I can but after Nov. I will begin to pick groups with more patriotic punch than the Tea Party. I look for more states to nullify laws to send a message and a National movement to empower the peoples law again.

If a movement does not happen soon to check the courts for illegality of constitutional law...we are doomed.

If you have not read this declaration from New Hampshire...please do:

http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/legisla ... R0006.html

Hard Line,

Thanks for your comments. I have read and have a locally stored copy of the HCR 6 document (although I haven't posted it yet on Scribd).

While reviewing references for HCR 6, I came across a really interesting article dubbed "Goodbye To All That" by a writer with the pen name of Takuan Seiyo.

"Takuan Seiyo was born in Communist Eastern Europe and socialized there and then in Switzerland, France and elsewhere. He received his university education and was naturalized in the United States, but interest in some aspects of the Japanese culture took him eventually to Japan, where he now lives. He describes himself as bi-racial, tri-national, quadri-degreed, quinti-lingual and sexto-ethnic. As to religious conviction, he buys directly from the wholesaler while remaining a cultural Christian. Mr. Seiyo's pen name is both his Japanese nickname that means "Western pickled radish," and a symbolic way to honor one of his heroes, the 17th century Japanese Zen monk, Takuan Soho."

At any rate, Takuan has written his very interesting article that references NH HCR 6 and which is found here: http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/3815

I like the article so much I am requesting reprint privileges for it, and if received, I will post on Scribd.com.

And for those of you needing a little fire in your belly, here is another Bob Basso (aka Thomas Paine) video referenced in Takuan's article:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKFKGrmsBDk

Originally Posted by roundabout

HylanderJuan wrote,

Ideas anyone?

Can we learn to think differently? Granted many Americans, and most here as you have pointed out, are awake or awakening. Time to up the ante. I have been on a boycott against TV for around 25 yrs. now. Point is, I did that on my own. When people start to identify the enemies of our country, should it be difficult to start being very careful as to how we act economically and in other ways, ways that an independent action can play a role in a more collective (sorry, that word has an irksome ring) manner on the whole. Can 20% of the populace change the direction? I think so. After all, our founders constituted 1/3 of the populace, or there abouts. 1/3 Tories, 1/3 Patriots, and 1/3 confused.

The collective thought process of a minor percentage of progressives and commies, hard core lefties have led the thought process of a nation in their favor over many years with much monetary support and media to boot.

My point is, it was a way of thinking that was implemented that has led us to this point in time. JMHO

Roundabout,

Thanks for your thoughts. In my effort to re-look at life in America I have returned to college and have found U.S. history my single favorite topic. I have been reading legal, political, and history documents for well over two years now, and am getting pretty well versed in things legal, constitutional, and revolutionary in nature.

My studies have brought me to a place where I despise and seek to destroy all things progressive, socialistic, communistic, Marxist, and Islamic. It is my observation that Americans are under attack by two large foreign forces and sworn enemies of America, both of which are totalitarian and collective philosophies, namely communism and Islamism. They both need to be removed from our shores.

Having said that, most of our problems have been our own fault because we took our eye of the ball of controlling our own governments. Now our 'representative government' has taken the ultimate advantage of us and are ruling us as a soviet style oligarchy.

But, this too will pass. Because we will make it pass.

HylanderJuan, Thanks for sharing what you have been learning. I stop in and read this thread and have been learning some, concerning the legal procedures that take place in this corupt system that we call a justice system. The nuances around the legal proceedings are hard for me to want to follow too closely, but I enjoy the posts concerning the Constitution, and history. Your posts and efforts, as well as others here on this thread have been most appreciated.

"Ideas anyone"

I am but one individual, sure would like to see other ideas as well. Thats my selfish side.