Thread: Barack Obama's citizenship questioned

[size=117]Atty. Leo Donofrio has returned to the fray and is back in action.

CNN Senior Legal Analyst Jeffrey Toobin Gave Anderson Cooper False Legal Interpretations of de Vattel and Amendment XIV.

[url=http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2011/02/21/shame-on-the-state-department-the-mario-marroquin-story-how-war-veterans-and-other-citizens-born-in-a-house-are-denied-passorts-despite-having-birth-certificates/]SHAME ON THE STATE DEPARTMENT: The Mario Marroquin Story – How War Veterans and Other Citizens “Born In A Houseâ€

Originally Posted by [url=http://www.speaker.gov/Blog/?postid=226096

For Speaker of the House John Boehner, Nick Schaper[/url]]For the next five days you can submit a question [of no more than 250 characters] for Speaker Boehner at http://www.youtube.com/johnboehner or via Twitter by using the hashtag #askthespeaker.

The deadline for all submissions is Sunday 2/27 at midnight ET.

I wonder what I will ask Rep. Boehner. Hmmm hmmm hmmm.

"natural born Citizen" is defined as: a citizen born in the country to citizen parents, per the Framers' correspondence and 5 Supreme Court cases: The Venus, Shanks v DuPont, Minor v Happersett, Wong Kim Ark, and Perkins v Elg. How do you define nbC?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zH4GX3Otf14
or, if you prefer,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwhKuunp8D8

Reading it I'm not seeing a way to really protect Obama with it. Yes it protects duel citizenship but would still require one to be born in the US and stating that one parent has to be a US Citizen with no foreign allegiance. If he wasn't born in the US that would still apply and still a state law wouldn't protect his false presidency.

Still in these days and age thought its a bit hard to say that to be a natural born citizen must have 2 citizen parents along with the rest. With so many single mothers either father being a one night stand, never signing the BC, or even rape cases.... do you call those children not natural born citizens because father is unknown?

Still Obama being born in a foreign country non eligible, his mothers age at birth non eligible to pass citizenship, and the simplicity that this law wouldn't be counting back in time yet.

But also right now consider we have a defacto law basically declaring any child born in the US to 2 illegals as a natural born citizen making them eligible for the US Presidency. As right now all that is required to be considered a natural born citizen is being born on soil. This least expands that a fair amount.

I'd still rather they remove the "natural" part. Just call it citizenship from birth.

PRESS RELEASE
February 26, 2011

American Patriot’s Movement of America supports Hawaii Senate minority leader Sam Slom’s initiative in using the firing of Dr. Palafox by Governor Neil Abercrombie as a “shoehornâ€

Originally Posted by For the American Patriot’s Movement of America, James G. Borden

American Patriot’s Movement of America’s official statement is that Governor Neil Abercrombie saw President Barack Hussein Obama’s Kenyan Certificate of Birth in the Health Department files and does not want to reveal this truth to the American people.

That is APMA's official position, but H.R.S. § 338 forbids disclosure without Mr. Obama's permission or a court order, so APMA knows as much as we do and no more.

Mr. Obama's file in the Hawaii DOH vault may or may not contain a Kenyan or other foreign birth certificate. Whether or no, H.R.S. § 338-17.8 covers a nearly certain eventuality: someone applied for a State of Hawaii Certificate of Live Birth for a birth at home or out-of-state - most likely the grandmother, Madelyn Dunham, because grandmothers typically are concerned with such matters, or else Stanley Armour Dunham or Anna Dunham Obama.

Originally Posted by [url=http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0017_0008.htm

Hawaii Revised Statutes[/url]][§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.

(b) Proof of legal residency shall be submitted to the director of health in any manner that the director shall deem appropriate...

The Dunhams three moved from Seattle to Honolulu in the summer of 1960. Conceivably, if they moved after Aug. 4th, the one year residency requirement would be a problem. I have no evidence or knowledge to indicate whether or not that was the case.

U.S. Rep. Nathan Deal (R-GA) may have attempted to launch a House investigation before he requested the birth document(s) by his own authority. Now that Republicans control the House, another Representative should attempt to launch a House investigation, starting in the Hawaii DOH vault.

ONE YEAR AGO

[quote="[url=http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/02/11/deal-has-called-obamas-bluff/]For the Post & Email, one year ago, John Charlton[/url]"][size=167][b]FAILURE FOR THREE MONTHS TO RESPOND TO REQUEST
FOR “VERIFIABLE INFORMATIONâ€

Thousands of calls need here! Please join in!

http://www.alipac.us/ftopicp-1191534.html#1191534

Please see below an act being proposed in Georgia’s General Assembly regarding presidential eligibility requirements. Inasmuch as this is an excellent action for Georgia and other states to adopt, it is also an official acknowledgment that we have a problem with the current usurper in the white house, which leads to the questions of why now, and what is Georgia going to do about the current usurpation? While a good act, this is akin to closing the barn door after the horses have escaped.

I also would like to see the punishment for violating this law changed to a felony crime, and not a misdemeanor as is indicated. Misdemeanors are generally considered a lesser crime and imply one year or less in jail.

I don't know about you, but I want to see the current usurper removed and punished to the full extent of the law. Immediately, if not sooner.

http://www.legis.ga.gov/Legislation/en- ... tion=33230

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Georgia General Assembly
2011-2012 Regular Session - HB 401
Presidential Electability Assurance Act; enact

First Reader Summary

A BILL to be entitled an Act to amend Article 1 of Chapter 2 of Title 21 of the Official Code of Georgia Annotated, relating to elections, so as to enact the "Presidential Eligibility Assurance Act"; to state legislative intent; to define terms; to provide that no person shall be eligible for placement on any ballot as a candidate for President or Vice President unless the Secretary of State shall have received and approved adequate evidence of such person's eligibility for election to such office; to provide what constitutes adequate evidence of eligibility and provide for the time and manner of presentation of such evidence; to provide for review by the Secretary of State; to repeal conflicting laws; and for other purposes.

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House Bill 401
By: Representatives Hatfield of the 177th, Jerguson of the 22nd, Harden of the 28th, Allison of the 8th, Davis of the 109th, and others

A BILL TO BE ENTITLED
AN ACT

To amend Article 1 of Chapter 2 of Title 21 of the Official Code of Georgia Annotated, relating to elections, so as to enact the "Presidential Eligibility Assurance Act"; to state legislative intent; to define terms; to provide that no person shall be eligible for placement on any ballot as a candidate for President or Vice President unless the Secretary of State shall have received and approved adequate evidence of such person's eligibility for election to such office; to provide what constitutes adequate evidence of eligibility and provide for the time and manner of presentation of such evidence; to provide for review by the Secretary of State; to authorize any elector of this state to challenge the qualifications of a candidate; to provide for the adoption of rules and regulations; to provide that it shall be a criminal offense for any presidential elector from this state to cast his or her electoral college vote for a candidate who is not approved by the Secretary of State as having submitted adequate evidence of eligibility; to provide for related matters; to repeal conflicting laws; and for other purposes.

BE IT ENACTED BY THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF GEORGIA:
SECTION 1.

Article 1 of Chapter 2 of Title 21 of the Official Code of Georgia Annotated, relating to elections, is amended by adding a new Code section to read as follows:

"21-2-5.1.
(a) This Code section shall be known and may be cited as the 'Presidential Eligibility Assurance Act.'
(b) It is the intent of this Code section to ensure that in all elections and primaries held in this state no person shall be eligible for placement on any ballot as a candidate for President or Vice President unless the Secretary of State shall have received and approved adequate evidence of such person's eligibility for election to such office; and such intent and the provisions of this Code section shall prevail over any conflicting provisions of any other law or regulation of this state.
(c) As used in this Code section, the term:
(1) 'Eligibility requirements' means the natural born citizenship, age, and residency requirements prescribed by Article II, Section 1 of the United States Constitution for eligibility for the office of President or Vice President of the United States.
(2) 'Evidence of eligibility' means an affidavit by a candidate stating that the candidate meets each of the eligibility requirements accompanied by and including:
(A) A certified exact copy of the candidate's first original long-form birth certificate that includes the candidate's date, time, and place of birth; the name of the specific hospital or other location at which the candidate was born; the attending physician at the candidate's birth; the names of the candidate's birth parents and their respective birthplaces and places of residence; and signatures of the witness or witnesses in attendance at the candidate's birth. If the foregoing described certified exact copy of the candidate's first original long-form birth certificate is not attached and the candidate's affidavit indicates that a first original long-form birth certificate for the candidate does not exist, the candidate shall attach certified exact copies of other original documentation, including, but not limited to, the candidate's birth records, adoption records, baptism records, Social Security records, medical records, school and college records, military records, and passport records showing, either individually or collectively, that the candidate meets the natural born citizenship, age, and residency requirements prescribed by Article II, Section 1 of the United States Constitution. The candidate shall not attach certified or other copies of nonoriginal documents or records;
(B) Recitations in the affidavit attesting that the candidate has never been a citizen of any country or nation other than the United States of America; that the candidate has never held dual or multiple citizenship; and that the candidate has never owed allegiance to any country or nation other than the United States of America; and
(C) Recitations in the affidavit that specifically identify the candidate's places of residence in the United States for at least the preceding 14 years.
(d) When a state executive committee of a party notifies the Secretary of State of the names of the candidates of the party to appear on the presidential preference primary ballot as provided for in Code Section 21-2-193, such notification shall be accompanied by evidence of eligibility of the candidates.
(e) When a nomination petition of presidential electors for a candidate for President or Vice President is submitted to the Secretary of State as provided for in Code Sections 60 21-2-170 and 21-2-171, the nomination petition shall be accompanied by evidence of eligibility of the candidate.
(f) If any person becomes a candidate for election as President or Vice President at the general election without having previously submitted adequate evidence of eligibility under subsection (d) or (e) of this Code section, the Secretary of State shall require the production of adequate evidence of eligibility before placing such person's name on any ballot.
(g) The Secretary of State shall review the evidence of eligibility submitted under subsection (d), (e), or (f) of this Code Section. The Secretary of State shall approve the evidence of eligibility as adequate or if the Secretary of State finds reasonable cause to believe that any candidate does not meet the natural born citizenship, age, and residency requirements prescribed by Article II, Section 1 of the United States Constitution, the Secretary of State shall not place such candidate's name on the ballot in this state.
(h) Evidence of eligibility submitted to the Secretary of State under this Code section shall be a public document and shall be made available for public inspection and copying within one business day after it is filed with the Secretary of State.
(i) Within two weeks after any evidence of eligibility is filed with the Secretary of State, any elector of this state may challenge the eligibility of the candidate submitting the evidence of eligibility in the manner prescribed by Code Section 21-2-5.
(j) The State Election Board may promulgate rules and regulations for the implementation of this Code section in a manner consistent with the statement of intent in subsection (b) of this Code section.
(k) It is unlawful for any presidential elector from this state to cast his or her electoral college vote for a candidate who is not approved by the Secretary of State as having submitted adequate evidence of eligibility. Any person who violates this Code section shall upon conviction be guilty of a misdemeanor of a high and aggravated nature."

SECTION 2.

All laws and parts of laws in conflict with this Act are repealed.

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http://www.alipac.us/ftopicp-1192046.html#1192046

Uh-oh ... I just sent away for a new official copy of my birth certificate from Virginia. It arrived .... no raised seal. It doesn't even mention my race (though I had to state race to help them find it).