Thread: Barack Obama's citizenship questioned

Just when I thought I had seen it all, the L.A. Times actually explained Atty. Orly Taitz's presentation.

Originally Posted by [url=http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-birthers-20110503,0,3922827.story

Carol J. Williams, Los Angeles Times[/url]]Southern California 'birthers' keep the controversy going

Wielding displays of Obama's identity documents, they argue their case in federal court in Pasadena that the president isn't a natural-born American and should be removed from office.

By Carol J. Williams, Los Angeles Times

May 3, 2011

Just when it seemed the controversy over President Obama's birthplace had been laid to rest, a group of Southern California "birthers" had a rare day in federal court Monday to make their case that the president isn't a natural-born American and should be removed from office.

The U.S. 9th Circuit Court of Appeals granted Buena Park minister Wiley Drake and leading birther litigator Orly Taitz a chance to challenge the summary dismissal of the case by a Santa Ana federal judge two years ago.

Unmoved by the release last week of Obama's official long-form birth certificate showing he was born in Honolulu, the birthers descended in force on the Pasadena federal courthouse, wielding fold-out displays of the president's identity documents they contend prove a lifelong pattern of covering up his foreign origins.

"Analysis shows it is not a true and correct image of his birth certificate but a creative computer image," Taitz insisted to the court, alleging that the Obama administration has pressured the legal system to squelch the truth. "He has created this psychological Kristallnacht," she said, referring to the Nazis' first orchestrated persecution of Jews in Germany.

The lawsuit filed on Inauguration Day in 2009 was dismissed by U.S. District Judge David O. Carter on grounds that the federal courts aren't the forum for sanctioning a sitting president, even if it was proved that he wasn't eligible to run for the White House.

The Constitution clearly assigns to Congress the right to settle "political questions" like impeachment, Assistant U.S. Atty. David A. DeJute told the judges Monday.

Drake's attorney, Gary Kreep, argued that a grave injustice was being committed against the American people and that the courts should step in to decide whether Obama is qualified to be president because there is too much political self-interest in a Congress controlled by the two major parties.
. . .

The three judges — all appointees of Democratic presidents — asked Kreep and Taitz why their clients hadn't filed suit before the election was over, when they could have turned to the courts with the argument that an unqualified challenger, if proved to be ineligible, was hurting their candidate's prospects. [Phil Berg did file suit before the election; so why did the court delay responding until after the inauguration? (A rhetorical question.)] Taitz, a Soviet-born dentist and former real estate agent, said she sought congressional intervention during the campaign but was rebuffed.

After the hearing, Taitz took her case outside the courtroom, to television cameras and reporters. She displayed images of the birth certificate Obama released last week and pointed out inconsistencies in the lettering, type size, paper quality and document numbering, comparing it with a birth certificate issued by the same hospital for a woman born just hours before the president.

Taitz also brandished blow-ups of a college application and a Selective Service System letter, alleging that the documents show "a pattern of deceit."

carol.williams@latimes.com

Copyright © 2011, Los Angeles Times

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me ... 2827.story

On June 8, 2011, Walt Fitzpatrick (LCDR USN ret.) reported the nomination of Army Gen. Martin Dempsey for the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, to replace Navy Adm. Mike Mullen.

Originally Posted by [url=http://www.dojgov.net/posse_comitatus_act.htm

DOJgov.net[/url]]20 Stat. L., 145

June 18, 1878

CHAP. 263 - An act making appropriations for the support of the Army for the fiscal year ending June thirtieth, eighteen hundred and seventy-nine, and for other purposes.

SEC. 15. From and after the passage of this act it shall not be lawful to employ any part of the Army of the United States, as a posse comitatus, or otherwise, for the purpose of executing the laws, except in such cases and under such circumstances as such employment of said force may be expressly authorized by the Constitution or by act of Congress; and no money appropriated by this act shall be used to pay any of the expenses incurred in the employment of any troops in violation of this section. And any person willfully violating the provisions of this section shall be deemed guilty of a misdemeanor and on conviction thereof shall be punished by fine not exceeding ten thousand dollars or imprisonment not exceeding two years or by both such fine and imprisonment.

10 U.S.C. (United States Code) 375

Sec. 375. Restriction on direct participation by military personnel:

The Secretary of Defense shall prescribe such regulations as may be necessary to ensure that any activity (including the provision of any equipment or facility or the assignment or detail of any personnel) under this chapter does not include or permit direct participation by a member of the Army, Navy, Air Force, or Marine Corps in a search, seizure, arrest, or other similar activity unless participation in such activity by such member is otherwise authorized by law.

18 U.S.C. 1385

Sec. 1385. Use of Army and Air Force as posse comitatus

Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army or the Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.

Editor's Note: The only exemption has to do with nuclear materials (18 U.S.C. 831 (e).

Reportedly:
It was Gen. Dempsey who authorized the Military Police at Fort Rucker to deploy in Samson, Alabama on March 10, 2010. He dispatched MPs into the civilian community before the civilian police had opportunity to respond. By ordering the military to police the civilian populace, he showed disregard for posse comitatus laws. Gen. Dempsey's action, contrary to laws restricting posse comitatus, appears to be cause for nomination for the Chair of JCS as a reward. Or perhaps he was nominated because he has proven his willingness to use military police in the civilian community.

LCDR Fitzpatrick calls Gen. Dempsey's action "forcible resistance," "an act of treason" in defiance of the legitimate civilian government. He says, "You do not want an Army General in the Chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff who thinks it's OK to send military troops into any community at any time to take over civilian police work."

However, deployment of troops in the civilian community is permissible by authorization of Congress or in emergency ad hoc situations, such as after Hurricane Katrina in 2005 (and at the massacre at Mt. Carmel near Waco on April 19, 1993). The manhunt in Samson was apparently deemed such an emergency, allowing MPs to direct traffic around the crime scene while the civilian police were busy in hot pursuit of the murderer.

Begin at 9:03 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-iHnyVUpew

Follow-up interview => http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvEsedxFQco

LCDR Fitzpatrick claims that it is up to the people to rein in an outlaw government.
"The government is not going to act against itself."

Courtesy of "Al the debt collector"...

13 unique Social Security numbers reportedly assigned to "Barack Obama"

Barack Obama
SSN: 537-36-XXXX
355 _____ Ave.
Brea, CA 92821
reported 10/2008

Barack Obama
SSN: 528-88-XXXX
14645 _____ LN
Centerville, UT 84014
reported 12/2008

Barack H Obama
SSN: 488-62-XXXX
838 ________
Dallas, TX 75232
reported 10/2009

Barack Q Obama
SSN: 625-26-XXXX
34654 ______ Ave
Ingleside, IL 60041
reported 04/2010
(SSN also claimed by 3 others in the Chicagoland area:
Aertad D Ceader, Steven ____, and Patricia Smetters)

Barack H Obama
SSN: 042-68-XXXX
5046 S Greenwood Ave
Chicago, IL 60615
reported 06/2005 - 11/2006
(SSN also claimed by Harrison J Bounel: same address)

Barack Obama
SSN: 423-29-XXXX
505 _______
Columbus, GA 31907
reported 01/2008

Barack Obama
SSN: 274-88-XXXX
1465 ________
Upper Arlington, OH 43221
reported 02/2009
(SSN also claimed by Paul L Lindner: same address)

Barack Obama
SSN: 229-80-XXXX
14343 ______
Silver Spring, MD 20906
reported 03/2009
(SSN also claimed by Judilee J _____ ,
2648 ______, Dillwyn, VA 23936)

Barack Obama
SSN: 453-45-XXXX
1 ________
Westford, MA 01886
reported 02/2009

Barack Obama
SSN: 235-12-XXXX
123 Washington Ave
Bay Shore, NY 11706
reported 12/2009
(SSN also claimed by
Erick Viquez, 1268 ____, Miami Beach, FL 33141
and Cat M Stevens, 2201 ____, Tempe, AZ 85282

Barack Obama
SSN: 454-54-XXXX
123 Washington Ave
Bay Shore, NY 11706
reported 12/2009

Barack H Obama
SSN: 343-56-XXXX
304 _______
Keene, NH 03431
reported 08/2009

Barack H Obama
SSN: 152-56-XXXX
40 ________
Strafford, NH 03884
reported 04/2010
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Origins of "natural born Citizen"
A primer for new posters

Perhaps someone may be interested in researching the Code of Hammurabi (Babylon, 17th c. BC) for laws on inheritance that might be pertinent to the subject of "natural born Citizen." In the second half of the 15th c. BC, Moses wrote down (in Numbers and Deuteronomy) Yahweh's laws concerning nationality. But those pertained specifically to the Hebrews, who were a people without a homeland at the time.

However the Assyrians, Babylonians, and the Medes and the Persians approached the subject, the Greeks who followed them were focused on the city-state, the polis, or the community, and how citizenship derived from it. Herodotus (5th c. BC) and Plato (early 4th c. BC) considered "those born in the city-state of parents who are citizens" as the ideal of citizenship: the "natural born Citizens," as opposed to mere "denizens" or residents. Aristotle (mid 4th c. BC), the author of Politics, considered birthplace as insignificant next to family heritage. Aristotle counted one born to citizen parents as a natural born citizen of the city-state, regardless of where he or she was born.

Those concepts, and not the notion of "born in the liege of the Crown" (or born on soil under the jurisdiction of the Crown), were the principles guiding the Framers' writings about citizenship and nationality. On that subject, specifically, their primary text was neither Blackstone nor Locke nor the Common Law, but Emerich de Vattel's The Law of Nations, which stated in book 1, chapter 19:

Originally Posted by Emerich de Vattel

The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. … In order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.

Someone wrote, "... as western civilization moved from a monarchy to a Constitutional Republic." Such a worldview is too small, and that picture of Western Civilization is provincial, at best. The United States was not just a clone of Great Britain in the western hemisphere. The U.S. was by no means a collection of only British colonial villages. There were immigrants from Spain, Portugal, Italy, Germany, France, and the Netherlands. Others were Turks, Arabs, Jews, Negroes, Hispanics, or American Indians. There were even Barbary pirates from the vicinity of Tunis.

The definition of "natural born Citizen," then, did not come from the Common Law. Far from it. Although most of the U.S. Constitution derives from the Common Law and the writings of John Locke and William Blackstone, the notion of "Crown and subjects" was anathema to free men who had just fought a war to free themselves from tyranny. For such a reason, the Framers - John Jay, Geo. Washington, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, David Ramsay, Benjamin Franklin, John Adams, excluding Alexander Hamilton - sought an alternative to the Common Law on the subjects of citizenship, nationality, naturalization, loyalty and allegiance.

The Framers of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution were learned men with diplomas from the best colleges, ministers of the Gospel and diplomats, scholars of law and history and political science, conversant in European languages, well read in the Scriptures and the classics and literature beyond English Lit 101.

Looking beyond England and the Crown, the Framers were enamored of the liberation and freedom of the Enlightenment in France and Germany, which derived from the 17th century Rationalism of Gottfried Leibniz (German), René Descartes (French), and Baruch Spinoza (a Portuguese Jew in exile in Amsterdam). In the 18th century, Christian Wolff (German) and Emerich de Vattel (Swiss) built upon the philosophy of Leibniz.

Originally Posted by Emerich de Vattel

The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those
born in the country, of parents who are citizens.

N.B.: "parents" is plural, meaning the biological father and mother: not adopting parents, not the mother and her legal husband, and plainly, not one citizen parent and one alien parent.

This definition was:

• the norm in Western Civilization dating back to Plato and Herodotus in the 4th and 5th c. BC;
  
  used in correspondence among the Framers of the Constitution;
  
  quoted nearly verbatim in as many as eight U.S. Supreme Court cases, including The Venus, Shanks v. DuPont, Minor v. Happersett, the dissent in Wong Kim Ark, and Perkins v. Elg, and although the lower courts were confused and conflicted about nbC, never contradicted in any Supreme Court decision (except Justice Gray's Tory attempt in WKA to subject the errant colonies to the Common Law of Mother England);
  
  characteristic of every duly-elected President born since the Constitution was ratified in 1787... except Chester A. Arthur, who even burned his Presidential papers to hide his father's Canadian citizenship, which status was only discovered in 2008 by Atty. Leo Donofrio's researchers; and
  
  quoted by U.S. Rep. John A. Bingham and U.S. Sen. Jacob Howard, authors of Amendment XIV, which concerns only citizens and never mentions natural born Citizens.

On the other hand, Mr. Obama was not only born in Kenya, but his mother was not yet 19, the age the INA of 1952 required in 1961 for her to confer her U.S. citizenship to her foreign-born child. Baby Barack Obama II probably entered the U.S. as an illegal alien.

His father of record was a British Protected Subject, a status which, according to British law, passed to each of his offspring. How could anyone whose birth was governed by the laws of Great Britain be a natural born Citizen of the United States?

HE WAS BORN A BRIT! HE'S NOT LEGIT!

Barack Obama II was born in the Lady Grigg Maternity Unit of the Coast Province General Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya, as eye-witnessed by Mama Sarah Onyango Obama, his step-grandmother, as attested by his half-brother and half-sister in Kenya, and as proclaimed by millions of people in both Kenya and Uganda - just about everyone there, in fact, except those whose self-interest conflicts with the truth, such as Raila Odinga and his thugs. . . along with the government officials in the Hawaii Dept. of Health who provided him with a counterfeit Certificate of Live Birth, which has been declared a forgery by more imaging professionals and document authentication experts than I care to list.

These are basic facts as grounds for discussion beyond the facts.
For those who are here to distract, deny, and ridicule, please read the Mod Ruling.

A natural born Citizen is

• a citizen
  born in the country,
  of parents who are citizens.

On the other hand, Barack Obama II was born in Kenya,
and even if he were born in the U.S. (which he wasn't),
his father was never a U.S. citizen. => F A I L

Minuteman, I have been saying this since DAY ONE!
My Represenatives in DC and even here in Pierre S Dakota just ignore me. You can lead a Horse to water, but you cant make him Drink, you just have to Stand there and Watch him Die.

PatriotofPast, not even Christian conservative U.S. Sen. John Thune will give you a straight answer?

During recess, is he within driving distance?

Not even Thune.... I have been to his office several times with documentation PROVING Obama was a Fraud, They just copied the papers and said they would Fax them to DC.
I believe they are ALL in on this Charade...

[quote="MinutemanCDC_SC"]Courtesy of "Al the debt collector"...

13 unique Social Security numbers reportedly assigned to "Barack Obama"

Barack Obama
SSN: 537-36-XXXX
355 _____ Ave.
Brea, CA 92821
reported 10/2008

Barack Obama
SSN: 528-88-XXXX
14645 _____ LN
Centerville, UT 84014
reported 12/2008

Barack H Obama
SSN: 488-62-XXXX
838 ________
Dallas, TX 75232
reported 10/2009

Barack Q Obama
SSN: 625-26-XXXX
34654 ______ Ave
Ingleside, IL 60041
reported 04/2010
(SSN also claimed by 3 others in the Chicagoland area:
Aertad D Ceader, Steven ____, and Patricia Smetters)

Barack H Obama
SSN: 042-68-XXXX
5046 S Greenwood Ave
Chicago, IL 60615
reported 06/2005 - 11/2006
(SSN also claimed by Harrison J Bounel: same address)

Barack Obama
SSN: 423-29-XXXX
505 _______
Columbus, GA 31907
reported 01/2008

Barack Obama
SSN: 274-88-XXXX
1465 ________
Upper Arlington, OH 43221
reported 02/2009
(SSN also claimed by Paul L Lindner: same address)

Barack Obama
SSN: 229-80-XXXX
14343 ______
Silver Spring, MD 20906
reported 03/2009
(SSN also claimed by Judilee J _____ ,
2648 ______, Dillwyn, VA 23936)

Barack Obama
SSN: 453-45-XXXX
1 ________
Westford, MA 01886
reported 02/2009

Barack Obama
SSN: 235-12-XXXX
123 Washington Ave
Bay Shore, NY 11706
reported 12/2009
(SSN also claimed by
Erick Viquez, 1268 ____, Miami Beach, FL 33141
and Cat M Stevens, 2201 ____, Tempe, AZ 85282

Barack Obama
SSN: 454-54-XXXX
123 Washington Ave
Bay Shore, NY 11706
reported 12/2009

Barack H Obama
SSN: 343-56-XXXX
304 _______
Keene, NH 03431
reported 08/2009

Barack H Obama
SSN: 152-56-XXXX
40 ________
Strafford, NH 03884
reported 04/2010
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http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/wp-content/ ... plaint.pdf

Originally Posted by TexasBorn

Minuteman, I am confused as to what the research criteria was, what database(s) were used and why they were selected. It means nothing to me unless someone has an algorithm or method that fully explains the results, ie: what's the null hypothesis and what does the data tell us?

I suppose the research criterion was the identification of SSNs used by the putative POTUS.

Originally Posted by Atty. Orly Taitz

lntervener [Taitz] received a report and an affidavit from a licensed investigator and former elite Anti Communist Proliferation and Anti Organized Crime unit of the Scotland Yard officer Neil Sankey. Mr. Sankey's report showed that Barack Hussein Obama (hereinafter "Obama") is linked in the national databases to some 39 different Social Security numbers and multiple addresses.

Susan Elizabeth Daniels is president of Daniels and Associates Investigations, lnc., incorporated in March 1995. She is a private investigator licensed in the state of Ohio, license number 65199565509. She extended the search for Mr. Obama's SSNs, using the following databases:

• Lexis Nexis and Choice Point;
  
  Social Security Number Verification System (SSNVS)
  https://secure.ssa.gov/apps12z/SSNVS/in ... ication.do ;
  
  FOIA requests directed to the Social Security Administration;
  
  FOIA request directed to the Selective Service System;
  
  National Student Clearinghouse (for dates of attendance at Columbia Univ.)
  https://www.studentclearinghouse.org/se ... sponse.asp ;
  
  Person Search https://secure.accurint.com/app/bps/main ;
  
  SSN Verifier Plus http://www.national-employment-screenin ... r-plus.htm ;
  
  Tracers Information Specialists, Inc. - Standard People Search
  https://www.tracersinfo.com/SearchCentr ... p3?pargs=.. ;
  
  Social Security Death Index Search Results
  http://ssdi.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/ssdi.cgi .

John M. Sampson's LocatePlus account was frozen for attempting to get SSNs for Mr. Obama. Mr. Sampson is Chief Executive Officer, Owner, and Operator of CSI Consulting and Investigations LLC, a consulting and private investigative firm registered with the Secretary of State of Colorado.

I suppose the null hypothesis would be, "the defendant is innocent." In other words, H0 would be, "Barack Hussein Obama II, born on Aug. 4, 1961, to Barrack Hussain Obama Snr. and Stanley Ann Dunham Obama, has one valid SSN issued to him by the Social Security Administration, and no other SSNs."

By visual inspection, I count 13 unique SSNs for Barack Obama. There is no algorithm or method to interpret the statistics or explain the results. However, "13 SSNs" speaks for itself.

From this thread as it's nice to keep this info together in one spot:

http://www.alipac.us/modules.php?name=F ... 46#1235146

Dr. Orly Taitz Awaits Judge’s Decision in Case Against Social Security Administration

“WE’RE FIGHTING A WARâ€