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    Quote Originally Posted by [url=http://forums.hannity.com/showpost.php?p=94432481&postcount=42544
    At Hannity Forums, Jagergeist[/url]]Absolutely. The NBC issue is interesting, important and something that has solid merit. It should be an issue and solved once and for all in court. All the rest of the nonsense makes the birth certificate people look like loons. Obama didn't really provide his BC. It's a fake. Layers on Youtube. Everyone is lying. It's all utter nonsense and the reason BC people get laughed at.

    Maybe there could be some formal division of BC people - two camps - one pushing the nonsense about a massive conspiracy involving thousands of people and one saying the US needs to define what the term NBC means in court. The longer people lump the serious in with the crackpot then the longer it will take before anyone will seriously look at defining NBC.
    FOGBLOW!

    As for focusing on what is an nbC, I find it not nearly so amusing that Obamanauts should offer us tactical directions as that they would expect us to follow our opponents' advice.

    I appreciate your concern for our feelings, though, Jagergeist, and your efforts to keep people from laughing at us.

    Jagergeist, wouldn't you just love to divide into two feuding camps those who support and defend the U.S. Constitution, who resist a phony pseudo-POTUS, a Constitutionally ineligible usurper, a fraudulent impostor, a man of lawlessness and a representative of all that is evil, the Conman-in-Chief, the enemy combatant in the Oval Office, the anti-America, anti-Christian, anti-Israel, anti-Jew anti-President. But our cause is one and our objective is one.
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    One of the more convincing proofs that Barry Soetoro, a.k.a. Barack Obama II, was NOT born in Hawaii is the publishing of two (2) - not one, but two - counterfeit documents purporting to be proof of a birth in Hawaii. Imaging expert after imaging expert and counterfeiting inspector after counterfeiting inspector have shown that each of those documents is a forgery, with not one expert witness coming forward to risk his career and professional credibility to vouch for Barry's papers.

    That Mr. Obama and his supporters have presented TWO FAKES as his bona fides is proof enough for most people that he has NO TRUE OR GENUINE Hawaii Certificate or Certification of Live Birth to present.

    MissTickly points out that, on the sunlit COLB in the FactCheck photographs, the purported DOH seal, over the registrar's signature on the reverse side, is debossed (lowered), not embossed (raised). This makes it invalid according to Hawaii Public Health Regulations, Chapter 8b, 2.4 B. (1) (b).
    Quote Originally Posted by Hawaii Public Health Regulations
    (b) Form of certification. Standard certified copies shall contain an appropriate certification statement over the signature of the registrar having custody of the record and be impressed with the raised seal of the issuing office
    [size=117]
    In this FactCheck photo of the readable side of a purported Hawaii DOH seal, do you see a ‘raised’ seal? (Click on the images to enlarge; click on the links to view the huge originals.)

    11KB image: click to enlarge

    http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFil...tificate_8.jpg

    The readable side of the seal on the back of the paper should be raised.
    The mirror image of the seal on the front of the paper should be lowered, like so:



    http://www.wnd.com/images/110512hawaiibirthcertseal.JPG

    But on the FactCheck COLB, it isn't. It is quite the opposite, in fact.
    The mirror image of the seal on the front of the paper is raised.
    The fake embosser had its embossed and debossed images reversed.

    7KB image: click to enlarge

    http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFil...tificate_1.jpg

    This by itself invalidates the photographic images posted at FactCheck and proves them to be FAKES.

    MissTickly's analysis:
    http://obamasgarden.wordpress.com/ab...official-seal/

    See also "Exposing The False Hawaii Department Of Health Seal" and
    "The Polarik Investigation" at The Obama File.
    _______________________________________________

    The historically and legally accepted definition of natural born Citizen is:
    • "a citizen
      born in the country
      of parents who are citizens."
    This is almost the same as the definition used by Chief Justice Waite in Minor v. Happersett (1875). Waite lifted it from The Law of Nations (175, by Emmerich de Vattel. De Vattel did not coin or create that definition; rather, he codified in his law text the accepted international law of that day. “The natives, or natural-born citizens [indigenes], are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.
    One man's terrorist is another man's undocumented worker.

    Unless we enforce laws against illegal aliens today,
    tomorrow WE may wake up as illegals.

    The last word: illegal aliens are ILLEGAL!

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    1. No impartial expert witnesses on counterfeiting have been allowed to inspect the original, hard copy, vault Certificate of Live Birth which Dr. Chiyome Fukino claimed to have seen at the Hawaii Dept. of Health. All we have available to us are PDF files and JPEG images, which are susceptible to tampering or outright fabrication and which cannot prove even a genuine document to be true (but which can prove a fake document to be false).

    2. The purported Certificate, dated 8/8/61 and posted on 4/27/11, doesn't look 50 years old. It looks like something created only days before.

    3. Viewed with Adobe Acrobat, the whitehouse.gov counterfeit manifests obvious fakery.
    • a) The curvature on the left makes the pre-printed text curve down and move to the left. However, the typewritten text does not follow the curvature of the paper - it is on a straight line, indicating that the typewritten text was cut-and-pasted onto the counterfeit Certificate.

      b) On the left side, where the paper recedes from the "scanner glass", the image does not become dark. Contrary to DOH Director Fuddy's statement, this "document" was photographed, not scanned.

      c) Other concurrent Hawaii Certificates consistently show fields on the left side beginning at the left margin. But the whitehouse.gov counterfeit has left side fields either centered or beginning all over the place, which is inconsistent with valid Certificates and requires many unnecessary keystrokes.

      d) The two Bates date stamps at the bottom, which read "Aug 8 - 1961", are not the same size. Hmm.

      e) Most of the date stamp characters are grayscale (256 shades of gray), but some are binary (black or nothing). On a photocopy, all characters of a stamp are uniformly grayscale or black. But here, out-of-place grayscale characters indicate tampering with the computer image file after the photocopy was made.



      In the Certificate Number above, the first six numbers are stamped with ink (binary), but the final "1" is computer-printed (grayscale).

      f) Some typewritten characters are pixel-identical. This is infinitesimally possible for one pair of characters; not so much for several identical pairs. 1961-vintage cloth ink ribbons impressed texture onto typed characters, texture that points to copy-and-paste when two pixel-identical characters have identical textures.

      g) The whitehouse.gov counterfeit Certificate has kerned "typewritten" text, which was impossible with typewriters in 1961. Kerned text squeezes letters together horizontally; that is, adjacent letters sometimes share the space between them, and their serifs (curlycues) overlap each other. This has been commonplace since the introduction of word processors and dot matrix printers over 25 years ago; not so in 1961.

      h) The whitehouse.gov counterfeit Certificate lists a different local registrar than the Certificates of the Nordyke twins, who were born in the same hospital the next day.

      i) The Nordyke twins had Certificates numbered 61 10637 and 61 10638, but the counterfeit Certificate is numbered 61 10641, even though the birth was a day earlier. This has been explained as filing by geographical area, and not by birthdate alone. Maybe so. But it could indicate identity theft: illegally adopting the Certificate of Live Birth of Virginia Sunahara, who was also born at Kapi'olani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital on Aug. 4, 1961, but who died the next day.

      j) Some apparently identical typewritten characters display different typefaces when enlarged 3X or more. This demonstrates that the odd characters were copy-and-pasted digitally from text typed on a different typewriter.

      That constitutes document tampering.

      k) There are several "fractures" in the horizontal and vertical lines of the form. This indicates sloppy copy-and-pastes at low resolution, neglecting to precisely align the pasted pieces with lines on the form.

      l) Typically, flattened PDF files have only one layer, but the whitehouse.gov counterfeit Certificate PDF file has nine layers, as one can verify with Adobe Illustrator. A PDF file processed by the Optical Character Recognition (OCR) function in Acrobat has three layers, unlike the nine layers in the whitehouse.gov counterfeit Certificate PDF file.

      m) Butterdezillion wrote, "Even if the seal remnants are actually from the registrar’s seal, the posted document doesn’t meet the requirements for certification laid out in the Administrative Rules because that seal is not 2 1/4 inches and thus cannot be the official DOH seal, which means that neither the official DOH seal nor the State of Hawaii seal are displayed on the document, which is required for it to be a LEGALLY certified copy of a birth certificate."

      n) The whitehouse.gov counterfeit Certificate was fabricated, not just photocopied. It was assembled from component parts:[list:2rga1ck5]
      the filing date stamp,
      the "Alvin Onaka" signature stamp,
      pre-printed text with a wireframe separating the fields,
      a green background with data whited out,
      typewritten text with the signatures,
      plus an addenda image which included bits of signatures, date stamps, and typewritten text.

    More: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdonM_DBJwQ[/list:u:2rga1ck5]But some are so accustomed to the stench of corruption that they can no longer smell that something is rotten in Denmark.

    * There are excellent analyses of the whitehouse.gov counterfeit Certificate posted on April 27, 2011. But don't get bogged down in the details. The absence of aging is absolute and incontrovertible proof that it is not a fifty-year-old document.

    1) http://www.youtube.com/user/orangego.../3/7s9StxsFllY
    2) http://www.youtube.com/user/orangego.../2/JT0Tpf1IhxA
    3) http://www.youtube.com/user/orangego.../1/9eJx7jsPV44
    4) http://www.youtube.com/user/orangego.../0/nW_PWzhgvDs

    Comparative Analysis at Obama Release Your Records

    http://www.thepostemail.com/2011/04/...h-certificate/

    https://docs.google.com
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    The Supreme Court has interpreted "natural born Citizen," not once, but over and over.

    "No person except a natural born citizen... shall be eligible to the office of President;"
    U.S. Constitution, Art. II, § 1, ¶ 5.

    Barack Obama II is not a natural born citizen. He was born at Coast Province General Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya, of a Kenyan father who was a British Protected Subject, a status which passed on to all his offspring.

    A natural born Citizen is "one born in the country of parents who are citizens," according to:
    • six Supreme Court decisions - Minor v. Happersett, Shanks v. DuPont, The Venus, The Slaughterhouse Cases,Elk v. Wilkins, and Wong Kim Ark**;
      correspondence among the Framers of the Constitution, showing original intent;
      U.S. Rep. John A. Bingham and U.S. Sen. Jacob Howard, co-authors of Amendment XIV;
      The Law of Nations by Emerich de Vattel, the text the Framers used to break away from the "Crown and subjects" view inherent in British Common Law, the Magna Carta (1215 AD), and the law texts of William Blackstone and John Locke; and
      nbC being characteristic of every duly-elected President born since the Constitution was ratified in 1787... except Chester A. Arthur, who burned his Presidential papers to hide his father's Canadian citizenship.
    A "natural born citizen" is a citizen naturally, by birth, as opposed to a citizen naturalized, by law.
    Through nature, a child inherits his or her father's name, family identity, citizenship, and perhaps, land.

    Even if Barack Obama II were born in Hawaii (which he wasn't), he could never be a natural born citizen, because his father was a Kenyan, a British Protected Subject, which made Barack Obama II a British Protected Subject too. How could a person whose birth status was governed by the laws of Great Britain ever be a natural born citizen of the United States?

    ** In WKA, Justice Gray cited English common law on natural born subjects to confer upon Wong A14 "subject to the jurisdiction" citizenship. But the English common law case he cited depends upon the English-born children of foreigners receiving a letter of patent from the Crown, that is, being NATURALIZED.
    _________________________________

    All the many holes in Barry's many water buckets make it quite a chore to carry water for Barry.

    But that doesn't stop the Obamapologists from toting their leaking buckets from the Mainstream to anyone who still thinks that Barry Soetoro, a.k.a. Barack Obama II, is in any way, shape, fashion, or form at all legit.

    He was born a Brit!
    He's always a Brit!
    And he's not legit!


    References:

    http://forums.hannity.com/showthread...6821&page=4258
    http://wnd.com/index.php?pageId=102330
    http://www.newswithviews.com/Stuter/stuter146.htm

    "Obama Presidential Eligibility - An Introductory Primer" by Stephen Tonchen.
    (Birthers who consider Mr. Obama's birthplace to be of vital importance are not agreed upon Leo Donofrio's view in Section 18. There is room for both opinions, as Mr. Obama is vulnerable on both flanks. Infighting about which is more valid is counter-productive.)

    http://people.mags.net/tonchen/birthers.htm

    http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2010/05/ca...americans.html
    http://www.orlytaitzesq.com
    http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/
    http://www.obamacrimes.info/
    http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/2008...posed%21.thtml
    http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/a...exclusive.html
    http://www.alipac.us/ftopic-137238-d...rasc-1403.html
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    The last word: illegal aliens are ILLEGAL!

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    Molotov Mitchell's latest 'toon: "Proof Positive: Just Some Guy."
    http://www.proof-positive.com/five.php?a=Home

    On the tenth anniversary of 9/11, the Obamas will be in Somerset, Pa.,
    for the dedication of the "Crescent of Embrace" memorial.


    Michelle Malkin cries out against the "Crescent of Embrace" at the 9/11 site near Shanksville, Pa..

    [quote="[url=http://michellemalkin.com/2005/09/10/flight-93-memorial-seeing-is-believing/]Michelle Malkin[/url]"][size=117]Tons of you are stunned, outraged, and sickened by the new Flight 93 Memorial, the “Crescent of Embrace.
    One man's terrorist is another man's undocumented worker.

    Unless we enforce laws against illegal aliens today,
    tomorrow WE may wake up as illegals.

    The last word: illegal aliens are ILLEGAL!

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    From Butterdezillion's noteworthy thread, "HDOH Funny Business Regarding Virginia Sunahara":
    Quote Originally Posted by Barbie
    Has anyone checked the bank accounts of these bureaucrats at the HDOH [to] see if any of them have received large sums of money from O.whodat’s slush fund... ?
    [quote="Butterdezillion"][size=117]August 4, 2011 at 3:25 pm

    Good question. I don’t think anybody would have standing to see bank account records, and the stimulus was a slush fund for any kind of payback or bribery the Obama people wanted to use it on; they could call the bribery transaction anything they wanted. When Inspector General Gerald Walpin (and 4 or 5 other IG’s, if I remember correctly) cried foul on politically-motivated transactions that benefited individual “friends
    One man's terrorist is another man's undocumented worker.

    Unless we enforce laws against illegal aliens today,
    tomorrow WE may wake up as illegals.

    The last word: illegal aliens are ILLEGAL!

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    The Federal Election Commission cannot bring itself to define nbC for candidates for President.
    "The question is hypothetical."

    The Constitution requires that the President be a natural born Citizen, but for candidates, it has no requirements. Specifically, it is inconceivable that a candidate who is not politically or statistically electable might encounter the Presidential eligibility requirements of the Constitution.

    Apparently, it is no longer a crime (election fraud) for an ineligible candidate to accept campaign contributions under the guise of being a legitimate contender for public office.

    [quote="For Roll Call, Alex Knott"]FEC Drafts Opinions for Guyana-Born Man About Presidential Run[size=117]
    By Alex Knott
    Roll Call Staff
    Aug. 26, 2011, 6:21 p.m.

    The Federal Election Commission is showing signs that it might allow a Guyana-born American citizen to file papers and raise money to run for president of the United States.

    The agency released two draft advisory opinions Friday that could permit New York lawyer Abdul Hassan to go through the initial steps to run for president. But the FEC’s pending decision won’t be the last word on the constitutional issue of whether someone born outside the United States can be president.

    Hassan was born in the South American country in 1974, and he asked the FEC in July whether he could raise funds as a candidate for president.

    The request put the FEC in the rare role of deciding a large constitutional issue that has only a few intersections with campaign finance law. [b]The two commonly held constitutional requirements to run for president are that the candidate be 35 years or older and be a “natural born citizen.
    One man's terrorist is another man's undocumented worker.

    Unless we enforce laws against illegal aliens today,
    tomorrow WE may wake up as illegals.

    The last word: illegal aliens are ILLEGAL!

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    Doing the dirty work of covering for Mr. Obama merits another award?
    Quote Originally Posted by [url=http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/128115148.html
    Associated Press[/url]]State registrar wins award for revising model law on vital statistics

    By Associated Press

    POSTED: 08:11 p.m. HST, Aug 19, 2011

    Hawaii State Registrar Alvin Onaka is being awarded for his work in revising a model law outlining uniform practices for collection of vital statistics.

    Onaka received the award at the recent annual meeting of the National Center for Health Statistics of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in New Orleans.

    Onaka chaired a CDC group that revised the U.S. Vital Statistics Model Law, which promotes uniformity in state systems of vital statistics including births, deaths and marriages.

    The group addressed changes [in] electronic birth and death registration, advances in assisted reproductive technologies, same-sex marriage, civil unions, surrogacy, identity theft, data disclosure and confidentiality and records preservation.

    The recommendations are being reviewed by the U.S. Secretary of Health and Human Services.


    http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/brea ... 15148.html
    "...identity theft, data disclosure and confidentiality and records preservation." Yes, I agree, Mr. Onaka has done groundbreaking work, specifically in those areas. But for whom was he working?

    Rev. James David Manning of Atlah Ministries in Harlem says that ousting Obama is key, and
    short of that, Tea Parties won't do. Listen here: http://www.youtube.com/v/Qv6xTlfJLLU
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    Unless we enforce laws against illegal aliens today,
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    The last word: illegal aliens are ILLEGAL!

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    Thought this might be of interest although I have no idea who this person is. Clip and link below...

    Mr. Judy produced a video on August 14, 2011 critical of current politicians’ spending levels and what he sees as the “core breakdown
    ...I call on you in the name of Liberty, of patriotism & everything dear to the American character, to come to our aid...

    William Barret Travis
    Letter From The Alamo Feb 24, 1836

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    Surprise! ...not...


    Lawyer denied Obama’s Social Security info

    August 30th, 2011, 2:04 pm
    by Martin Wisckol, Politics reporter

    Laguna Niguel attorney Orly Taitz, best known for persistent legal efforts to prove that President Barack Obama is not a natural-born citizen, was rejected today by a federal judge in her pursuit of another allegation – that Obama is fraudulently using someone else’s Social Security number.

    Taitz’s lawsuit seeking the Social Security Administration’s release of private information was thrown out by U.S. District Chief Judge Royce Lamberth in Washington, D.C.

    Taitz notes on her website that the bad news is being delivered on her birthday.

    “Every birthday for the last 2-3 years I get garbage presents from the regime,
    ...I call on you in the name of Liberty, of patriotism & everything dear to the American character, to come to our aid...

    William Barret Travis
    Letter From The Alamo Feb 24, 1836

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    Atty. Orly Taitz was not so much seeking disclosure of Mr. Obama's SSN as she was bringing suit against the Commissioner of the Social Security Administration regarding Mr. Obama's known and documented fraudulent use of a Connecticut-issued Social Security number ending in "4425". Today, for the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia, Chief Judge Royce C. Lamberth dismissed Taitz v. Astrue.
    Quote Originally Posted by [url=http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=339629
    Bob Unruh for WorldNetDaily[/url]]He concluded that there's no real interest in determining whether the Obama Social Security Number is genuine or fraudulent, and the need for secrecy for the president trumps all else.

    "The SSA explained that the Privacy Act of 1974 ... protects the personal information of social security number holders," he wrote. "The SSA determined ... the plaintiff had identified no public interest that would be served by disclosure."

    He said he would "disregard" documents from the Selective Service and the Social Security Number Verification System suggesting there are problems with Obama's number because he "concludes" they were obtained "under false pretenses."


    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=339629
    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Kerchner (CDR USN Ret.)
    They all in Washington DC think they are doing this to prevent riots in the streets if Obama is removed as the fraud and ineligible person he his. They think they are protecting the country and saving lives, etc., by preventing riots. But this is only short term rationalization on their part to protect themselves for allowing this fraud to go on this long. It is only going to get worse as they in Wash DC completely destroy the Rule of Law and our fundamental governing document the U.S. Constitution in order to protect Obama and their own [hind parts] for their respective parts in the cover up over the last 3+ years. They have painted themselves in a corner with the ongoing cover up and no institution is beyond corruption for the establishment in DC to protect themselves and thus Obama. They think they are saving the nation from a catastrophe (i.e., riots if Obama is removed) when instead they are destroying the very fiber this nation was built on … the rules of law, not man. Homeland Security is likely briefing all the powers to be in the various institutions in background … saying we have to keep the lid on this. If it blows their could be race riots in 100 cities. And Obama would likely do it too to stay in power. But, fear of some riots, real or conjured up by the cover up squad, are in the end going to lead to much much worse in this nation as the People learn more and more how corrupt the establishment in DC has become to the point of just ignoring the Constitution and the Rule of Law … maybe even another Civil War. And the Obama cover up and all those who lead it and enabled it will be the cause. Of course they in DC will place the blame elsewhere and label the supporters of the Constitution and the Rule of Law as the troublemakers. They always do. JMHO.

    http://www.kerchner.com/protectourliber ... iberty.htm
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    U.S. District Judge Susan Oke Mollway has postponed the Sept. 14th show cause case in Honolulu until Oct. 23rd, no, Nov. 21st. Stall, stall, stall, until the plaintiff runs out of money.
    Quote Originally Posted by [url=http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=25047
    Atty. Orly Taitz[/url]]Motion to compel production of Obama’s original BC was postponed to November 21, 9:30 am.

    Today at 5:15 pm PST we had a hearing with the District Judge Susan Oke Mollway. She supervises Magistrate Judge Puglisi.

    She gave me ECF privileges to file electronically.

    Deputy Attorney General of Hawaii Jill Nagamine and assistant Attorney General Rebecca Quinn were there and demanded to dismiss the case and the hearing in light of today's order by Judge Lamberth.

    I argued against it and stated that according to the rules of court I have an opportunity to file a motion for reconsideration and in light of newly discovered evidence, I have no doubt that such motion will be granted, as such the case is still active.

    Judge Oke -Mollway denied oral motion by the deputy Attorney General and the assistant Attorney General. She did not dismiss the case and she simply rescheduled the hearing.

    She originally rescheduled the hearing to October 23, later she said that because of some big conference in HI she will reschedule for November 21, 9:30 am before Judge Puglisi (I could not hear well, which conference it was, I thought she said AIPAC, but I am not sure and I did not want to ask too many questions) .

    I asked for more time to respond to the opposition, she gave me until September 16 to reply and I can do it electronically.

    Meanwhile, I will be working on my motion for reconsideration with Judge Lamberth and providing him with new evidence about our dear Usurper-in-Chief. (what fun)


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