Thread: Barack Obama's citizenship questioned

Does anybody here believe the Cheif Justice will really read the papers and if he does, will he DO anything about it?

Originally Posted by cayla99

Does anybody here believe the Cheif Justice will really read the papers and if he does, will he DO anything about it?

Those aren't pleadings that have reached the court in the conventional manner (filing of a Petition or of a Writ of Certiorari), so I don't know if ethical constraints would even allow him to read that information since the "opposing side" could claim that the material was tantamount to an "ex parte pleading". (Translation: one-sided pleading, with the opposing side not given copies or given a chance to reply.)

If the "point" of Taitz's appearance at the speech was to let the Chief Justice know that not everything being sent to the Supreme Court was getting through to him, then she at least made that point. And if the Justices themselves live in a somewhat "insulated world" that makes them unaware of anything the mainstream media doesn't report, such as the existence of over a half-million signers of petitions asking for a check into "natural born citizen" eligibility, well .... at least a couple of them (Scalia and Roberts) don't anymore.

They would also now be aware that some members of the military have qualms about the Commander-in-Chief being possessed of lawful authority ... that fact might shake 'em up a bit. She says she told him she had 120 military-affiliated clients, and considering the Code of Military Justice's potential for court martials, any sane person might realize that for each "one" that's brave enough to submit his name to Orly to join in a QW action, there are probably many more who have doubts but aren't stepping forward.

The Globe is at it again.....an article about Dr Orly and her military following....saw it at K-Mart this afternoon.....Gotta love the Globe....

Originally Posted by MinutemanCDC_SC

"Scalia stated that it would be heard if I can get four people to hear it. He repeated, you need four for the argument. I got a feeling that he was saying that one of these four that call themselves constitutionalists went to the other side," [Dr. Orly] Taitz said.

Justice Clarence Thomas referred Donofrio v. Wells for conference on 11/19/08.
Justice Antonin Scalia referred Wrotnowski v. Bysiewicz for conference on 12/08/08.
Justice Antonin Scalia referred Berg v. Obama for conference on 12/23/08.
Chief Justice John Roberts referred Lightfoot v. Bowen for conference on 12/29/08.

Pray that Justice Samuel Alito and Justice Anthony Kennedy will soften their hearts, give attention to the truth about Mr. Obama, and act to uphold the U.S. Constitution.

Here we go, in what's gone to SCOTUS so we have a record in this thread ...

No. 08A469
Title: Cort Wrotnowski, Applicant
v.
Susan Bysiewicz, Connecticut Secretary of State

Docketed:
Lower Ct: Supreme Court of Connecticut
Case Nos.: (SC 18264)

~~~Date~~~ ~~~~~~~Proceedings and Orders~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Nov 25 2008 Application (08A469) for stay and/or injunction, submitted to Justice Ginsburg.
Nov 26 2008 Application (08A469) denied by Justice Ginsburg.
Nov 29 2008 Application (08A469) refiled and submitted to Justice Scalia.
Dec 8 2008 DISTRIBUTED for Conference of December 12, 2008.
Dec 8 2008 Application (08A469) referred to the Court by Justice Scalia.
Dec 9 2008 Supplemental brief of applicant Cort Wrotnowski filed. (Distributed)
Dec 15 2008 Application (08A469) denied by the Court.

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No. 08A407
Title: Leo C. Donofrio, Applicant
v.
Nina Mitchell Wells, New Jersey Secretary of State

Docketed:
Lower Ct: Supreme Court of New Jersey
Case Nos.: (AM-0153-08T2 at the New Jersey Appellate Division without a docket number)

~~~Date~~~ ~~~~~~~Proceedings and Orders~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Nov 3 2008 Application (08A407) for stay pending the filing and disposition of a petition for a writ of certiorari, submitted to Justice Souter.
Nov 6 2008 Application (08A407) denied by Justice Souter.
Nov 14 2008 Application (08A407) refiled and submitted to Justice Thomas.
Nov 19 2008 DISTRIBUTED for Conference of December 5, 2008.
Nov 19 2008 Application (08A407) referred to the Court by Justice Thomas. Nov 26 2008 Supplemental brief of applicant Leo C. Donofrio filed. (Distributed)
Dec 1 2008 Letter from applicant dated November 22, 2008, received.
Dec 8 2008 Application (08A407) denied by the Court.

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No. 08A505
Title: Philip J. Berg, Applicant
v.
Barack Obama, et al.

Docketed:
Lower Ct: United States Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit
Case Nos.: (08-4340)

~~~Date~~~ ~~~~~~~Proceedings and Orders~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dec 8 2008 Application (08A505) for an injunction pending the disposition of the petition for a writ of certiorari, submitted to Justice Souter.
Dec 9 2008 Application (08A505) denied by Justice Souter.
Dec 15 2008 Application (08A505) refiled and submitted to Justice Kennedy.
Dec 17 2008 Application (08A505) denied by Justice Kennedy.
Dec 18 2008 Application (08A505) refiled and submitted to Justice Scalia.
Dec 23 2008 Application (08A505) referred to the Court.
Dec 23 2008 DISTRIBUTED for Conference of January 16, 2009.
Jan 21 2009 Application (08A505) denied by the Court.

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No. 08A391
Title: Philip J. Berg, Applicant
v.
Barack Obama, et al.

Docketed:
Lower Ct: United States Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit
Case Nos.: (08-4340)

~~~Date~~~ ~~~~~~~Proceedings and Orders~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Oct 31 2008 Application (08A391) for an injunction pending the disposition of the petition for a writ of certiorari, submitted to Justice Souter.
Nov 3 2008 Supplemental brief of applicant Philip J. Berg filed.
Nov 3 2008 Application (08A391) denied by Justice Souter.

=====================

No. 08-570
Title: Philip J. Berg, Petitioner
v.
Barack Obama, et al.

Docketed: October 31, 2008
Lower Ct: United States Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit
Case Nos.: (08-4340)
Rule 11

~~~Date~~~ ~~~~~~~Proceedings and Orders~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Oct 30 2008 Petition for a writ of certiorari before judgment filed. (Response due December 1, 200
Oct 31 2008 Application (08A391) for an injunction pending the disposition of the petition for a writ of certiorari, submitted to Justice Souter.
Nov 3 2008 Supplemental brief of applicant Philip J. Berg filed.
Nov 3 2008 Application (08A391) denied by Justice Souter.
Nov 18 2008 Waiver of right of respondents Federal Election Commission, et al. to respond filed.
Dec 1 2008 Motion for leave to file amicus brief filed by Bill Anderson.
Dec 8 2008 Application (08A505) for an injunction pending the disposition of the petition for a writ of certiorari, submitted to Justice Souter.
Dec 9 2008 Application (08A505) denied by Justice Souter.
Dec 15 2008 Application (08A505) refiled and submitted to Justice Kennedy.
Dec 17 2008 DISTRIBUTED for Conference of January 9, 2009.
Dec 17 2008 Application (08A505) denied by Justice Kennedy.
Dec 18 2008 Application (08A505) refiled and submitted to Justice Scalia.
Dec 23 2008 Application (08A505) referred to the Court.
Dec 23 2008 DISTRIBUTED for Conference of January 16, 2009.
Jan 12 2009 Motion for leave to file amicus brief filed by Bill Anderson GRANTED.
Jan 12 2009 Petition DENIED.
Jan 21 2009 Application (08A505) denied by the Court.

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No. 08A524
Title: Gail Lightfoot, et al., Applicants
v.
Debra Bowen, California Secretary of State

Docketed:
Lower Ct: Supreme Court of California
Case Nos.: (S168690)

~~~Date~~~ ~~~~~~~Proceedings and Orders~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dec 12 2008 Application (08A524) for a stay pending the filing and disposition of a petition for a writ of certiorari, submitted to Justice Kennedy.
Dec 17 2008 Application (08A524) denied by Justice Kennedy.
Dec 29 2008 Application (08A524) refiled and submitted to The Chief Justice.
Jan 7 2009 DISTRIBUTED for Conference of January 23, 2009.
Jan 7 2009 Application (08A524) referred to the Court.
Jan 13 2009 Suggestion for recusal received from applicant.
Jan 22 2009 Supplemental brief of applicant Gail Lightfoot, et al. filed. (Distributed)
Jan 26 2009 Application (08A524) denied by the Court.

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No. 08A592
Title: James D. Schneller, Applicant
v.
Pedro A. Cortes, Secretary of Pennsylvania, et al.

Docketed:
Lower Ct: Supreme Court of Pennsylvania, Middle District
Case Nos.: (199 MM 200

~~~Date~~~ ~~~~~~~Proceedings and Orders~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jan 7 2009 Application (08A592) for a stay, submitted to Justice Souter.
Jan 8 2009 Application (08A592) denied by Justice Souter.

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Initial rejections:..................Refiled and Referred to Conference by:
GINSBURG...........................SCALIA
SOUTER...............................THOMAS
SOUTER (1st rejection)
KENNEDY (2nd rejection).......SCALIA
KENNEDY ............................ROBERTS

Missing in Action:
ALITO
BREYER
STEVENS

Kennedy seems to have no value as potential help on these cases (he provided secondary rejection), and although I thought Orly Taitz had "tested" Alito with that case, it was the Chief Justice who was fresh territory to see if there would be a referral to conference. I know I read on one of the blogs out there that Alito was going to be the next in line for the rejection/refiling maneuver and while I thought it was Orly Taitz who wrote about that intention, I now wonder if it was Pidgeon's blog. Except that the group of plaintiffs out of Washington never pursued their dismissal from their state supreme court to SCOTUS.

Checking that Broe v. Reed blog, the archives don't appear to have everything that might have been written at the time, except this

http://decalogosintl.org/?p=211

[quote]Washington Supreme Court clears hurdle to allow Broe v Reed to push for SCOTUS review.
January 8, 2009

The Washington Supreme Court, without comment, has dismissed the claims of the 12 Broe v Reed plaintiffs, who sought to require the Secretary of State to do his constitutionally imposed duty and disallow the votes for Senator Obama on the basis that Senator Obama has failed to establish that he is a natural born citizen; that he is an American citizen, or that he was running under his legal name.

As Jim Broe put it to the Secretary: “If not you, who?â€

Originally Posted by grandmasmad

The Globe is at it again.....an article about Dr Orly and her military following....saw it at K-Mart this afternoon.....Gotta love the Globe....

WND yanked its headline for going too far out on a limb, because it made it sound like the soldier might be defying orders WHICH HE IS NOT. Globe's choice of headline is "the Globe being the Globe" and maybe the word "questions" would have been better than "rejects."



Sliding approval ratings ...

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= ... refer=home

This is one of those situations where a rising economic Pain Index and falling approval ratings might lead to a "perfect storm" of sentiment that makes a case questioning eligibility less "unthinkable" .......

In theory, any act that he signs into law, if it gores somebody's ox in some way, could find the "gored" pleading they have standing to question his authority to take an official action. Fired federal employees are one such category. While it's normal for U.S. Attorneys to resign after an election to let a new Administration appoint those posts, and Clinton boldly fired 93 U.S. Attorneys all in one day after his election, the dearly departing sure would be a legally trained and informed population to press for Quo Warranto.

http://www.columbusdispatch.com/live/co ... ml?sid=101

http://iowaindependent.com/12669/klinef ... s-attorney

Originally Posted by FreedomFirst

In theory, any act that he signs into law, if it gores somebody's ox in some way, could find the "gored" pleading they have standing to question his authority to take an official action.

The basic assumption on this thread - that the law and the courts are the solution and not the problem - is suspect IMHO. Some 42 cases have been filed so far, and every one has been denied, dismissed, and disrespected by some judge or another. Yet we still expect that the right plea, the right plaintiff, the right plan of attack, the right placement of documents, or even a righteous plebiscite of 330,000 will direct the judiciary to come to the right place, both in our eyes and in the blinded eyes of Justice? Aren't such expectations covered by one popular definition of insanity?

A less sanguine (and more heartless) assessment of the situation indicates that the lawyers' party, symbolized by a donkey, has convinced the judiciary in general that there will be no lynching in their midst, at least for this once - and certainly not a hint of deicide! . . . just on the remote chance that He is, well, you know, Who.

A minister, the most godly man that I know, told me on Sunday that the Lord, Who controls everything in heaven and on earth (Mt 28:18 ) and Who holds our next breath in His hands, may just be delaying the deposing of this usurper king until his failures convince his followers that he is not the political messiah in whom they had been led to trust.

This pastor said that had Mr. Obama been exposed and deposed before the election and the inauguration, the Obamanoids would have been certain that their messiah was being crucified by the powers-that-be. Lest they spend their lives in a fractured reality-warp, like the Elvis-worshipers who still pay homage to "The King," God is letting the Obamanoids first get their fill of their counterfeit messiah. God could even bring the impostor to repent of his fraud and deceit and to resign on his own, to the glory of God and without the intervention of human hand.

Attorney Orly Taitz will be a guest on the Steve Malzberg Radio Show, Tuesday, March 17, 2009.

Ms. Taitz is expected to give updates on her case along with a discussion surrounding her recent encounters with Justices Roberts and Scalia of the United States Supreme Court.

The show begins at 3:00PM EST and ends at 6:00PM EST. We have been told her slot is at 4:00PM.

If you are a first time listener of WOR-710 News Talk Radio, you will need to install an ActiveX script before you can access the show online.

Click the LISTEN LIVE button on the navigation bar, top left of the following page and install:

http://www.wor710.com/pages/3736426.php?

Also included, is a chat room.

For future reference, the main website is below and includes their entire lineup and podcasts:

http://www.wor710.com

Starts: 03/17/2009/15:00
Finishes: 03/17/2009/18:00

Originally Posted by HighlanderJuan

Attorney Orly Taitz will be a guest on the Steve Malzberg Radio Show, Tuesday, March 17, 2009.

Ms. Taitz is expected to give updates on her case along with a discussion surrounding her recent encounters with Justices Roberts and Scalia of the United States Supreme Court.

The show begins at 3:00PM EST and ends at 6:00PM EST. We have been told her slot is at 4:00PM.

If you are a first time listener of WOR-710 News Talk Radio, you will need to install an ActiveX script before you can access the show online.

Click the LISTEN LIVE button on the navigation bar, top left of the following page and install:

http://www.wor710.com/pages/3736426.php?

Also included, is a chat room.

For future reference, the main website is below and includes their entire lineup and podcasts:

http://www.wor710.com

Starts: 03/17/2009/15:00
Finishes: 03/17/2009/18:00

Uh, from "internet radio" to major market talk radio out of New York.

I'd say that's going to raise visibility on the issue.

[ED.: Although I do not vouch for all of Ms. Cris Ericson's arguments and analyses, this one on decaLogos has some merit.]


Please read
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov
on the right
Hawaii Revised Statutes
and use various search phrases:
certification of birth;
birth certificate;
certificate of birth.

If you keep trying, you will find at least 41 statute sections that allow a person born in a foreign country to receive a Hawaii birth certificate, [which] is supposed to say the person was born in a foreign country. But then the person can apply to have an altered birth certificate with the original information changed.

There are two main ways to do this.
One is "Hawaii Rule 803, Hearsay Admissible,"
where you get any one to say that the original facts and information need to be changed because they were in error,
and you get the original birth certificate sealed and a new one issued.

Another way is under HRS § 338-17, where there are various sub-sections like 338-17.5, 338-17.7, [and] 338-17.8,
and under [any] one of those, any Law enforcement agency can certify that, for the safety of the birth registrant, the original information has to be changed and new information put on the certificate.

It is strangely worded because first it says the new birth certificate will have a new number but the original will still stay in the file. Then in the next part of that sub-section, it states that the original will be sealed and the new birth certificate issued.

So the statute subsection contradicts itself, and if you only read part of it, and not the whole thing, you will think the original birth certificate is still on file with the old number as well as the new certificate with the new changed information and the new number. So if you don't keep reading, you will miss the next part that says the previous birth certificate will be sealed.

So, the sneaky thing about Hawaii Revised Statutes is to read the whole entire text down to the very bottom, and you will see the date the law was enacted at the bottom.

I am hoping that Attorney Stephen Pidgeon will ask this Question to the Court when he files the appeal to the Supreme Court of the U.S. and I certainly hope he files an appeal FAST!

SHALL the Supreme Court of the United States take JUDICIAL NOTICE of all of the Hawaii Revised Statutes regarding certificates of birth and birth certificates and certification of live births, and also take Judicial Notice of Hawaii Rule 803 Hearsay Admissible, and take Judicial Notice in particular of the HRS § 338-17 subsection (either 338-17.5 or 338-17.7, because 338-17.8 allows a person born in a foreign country to receive a Hawaii birth certificate) which allows LAW ENFORCEMENT [to request an altered or fictitious birth certificate in order to keep the registrant safe.]

Originally Posted by H.R.S. § 338.07

(5) Upon request of a law enforcement agency certifying that a new birth certificate showing different information would provide for the safety of the birth registrant; provided that the new birth certificate shall contain information requested by the law enforcement agency, shall be assigned a new number and filed accordingly, and shall not substitute for the birth registrant's original birth certificate, which shall remain in place.

[A subsequent statute provides that when the new birth certificate is issued, the original birth certificate shall be SEALED.]

ALERT!!!PLEASE HELP THESE STATES!!!

IDAHO:

Bill: S1155 A bill that would suspend licenses for businesses that knowingly employ illegal immigrants and makes e-verifiy mandatory for all business, will not go forward...This bill written and introduced by Senator Jorgenson took the first step in the process in the State Affairs Committee where it passed unanimously. However, Chairman of the State affairs Committee Sen. Curt McKenzie has thrown the bill in his desk drawer and stated this bill is not going anywhere....so much for due process.

We need to call, e-mail, and fax the following members and DEMAND they force Mc Kenzie to remove bill No. S 1155 from his desk drawer and continue forward with the democratic process so this can become law, finish the peoples business and stop stalling. It is what the citizens in Idaho expect of our legislatures...

TAKE ACTION HERE!
http://www.alipac.us/ftopict-150025.html


COLORADO

Bill SB09-170 is still alive in the Senate - this is the bill that would give in-state tuition to illegal aliens who can not even legally work in our country. It is important for you to call and email the Senators listed below. Tell them to kill this anti-American bill. It is not fair to give tuition breaks to those illegally in the United States when citizens in Colorado can not even afford to send their own children to college.

TAKE ACTION HERE:

http://www.alipac.us/ftopict-146439.html