Thread: Support H.R.220 - Common Sense About Identity Theft & RE

On those chips they tried to implant them in elderly with alzheimers in several florida nursing homes. I don't know if the succeeded or not.

Apparently they also have caused deaths......THAT has been in the papers.

Scary the things they even contemplate.

Can you imagine what goes on that we haven't ANY IDEA about?

N.H. Civil Liberties Union holding forum on Real ID
Associated Press - September 29, 2007 9:05 AM ET

CONCORD, N.H. (AP) - The New Hampshire Civil Liberties Union is holding a forum today to discuss the Real ID Act which is a federal mandate for states to meet uniform licensing standards.

New Hampshire passed a law this spring rejecting the mandate - which some see as tantamount to creating a national ID. A panel will discuss lawmakers' action and the future possibilities for the government to collect personal information on every American.

Presidential candidates were invited to either speak, send representatives or provide written positions on Real ID.

The forum is at 2 p.m. at the Franklin Pierce Law Center.

http://www.wcax.com/Global/story.asp?S=7145659&nav=4QcS

Fast Track to Tyranny: The REAL ID Act of 2005 10.03.07â€

WOW! Anyone who thinks that this is a good idea (and I spotted someone who did)-well I CANNOT even fathom how one could get their mind so twisted around something this obscene, to move us closer to having RFID chips in our arms?! Anyone here ever heard of the mark of the beast? New World Order? Rockefellers?

You actually think this would end our illegal immigrants from getting driver's licenses, and this is our biggest problem????

It would make our country and Mexico borderless! It would make a huge influx of Immigrants.

Why do you think FEMA is preparing for this?

Wake up take a whiff.

Letter: REAL ID = End Of American Freedom
The Raleigh Chronicle 11.JAN.08
LETTER TO THE EDITOR - A reader says that the new REAL ID measures affecting state driver's licenses are tantamount to creating a national identification card and will lead to an erosion of American freedom.

DEAR EDITOR:

I remember growing up and seeing movies in the 1950's with scenes that included Russian soldiers and enforcers in other dictatorships demanding to see the national identification papers of citizens as they traveled.

"Papers, please," was the common refrain.

While watching those movies, American citizens sneered at such countries and how they treated their people. We said how lucky we are to live in a country where we have freedom from such tyranny. It seemed strange to track where people traveled within their own country and to ask for their ID at every turn.

Now, the United States of America, which under President Ronald Reagan only a few years ago would have shuddered at such a notion of requiring its citizens to carry "papers", is in the process of requiring its citizens to carry a national ID card.

The federal government REAL ID program is designed not only to turn every single person's drivers license into a national ID card to be included in a national database but will require showing such a card and scanning it for such basic services as visiting a Social Security office, talking with your Congressman, or even traveling within our own borders.

There are several problems with this REAL ID act, so much so that 17 different states have said that they object to the measures in their current form, at least in part due to the enormous cost that it will entail to their citizens both financially and in terms of privacy.

According to the current draft, which is still being hammered out by the Department of Homeland Security (but not up for public debate), anytime a state issues a driver's license, they will be required to do a background check on that person in conjunction with a national database.

That federal database will be used in conjunction with other national databases to collect information on Americans, ensure that their Social Security number is associated with their driver's license, and also require each driver's license to feature an electronic code that allows for quick scanning and retention of information by authorities in real time.

The REAL ID-compliant drivers license would be required for air travel and to enter any federal facility. Rest assured that those locations where a REAL ID will be required will expand over time and pretty soon you will need to have a REAL ID compliant national ID card to board a bus or train, enter a shopping mall, visit a university library, enter an NFL football stadium, or perhaps someday start the engine on your vehicle. The technology is already there to make these types of requirements happen.

Under the program, anyone who does not have a REAL ID card, such as a citizen in one of those 17 states, will not enjoy the same complete freedoms of movement and access to our federal government facilities as those who do. Those who are homeless, do not drive, who are elderly or have been too sick to renew their license, or perhaps have other problems keeping them from obtaining an ID will be "locked out" of parts of our society.

As an example, during the Hurricane Katrina floods, some Louisiana citizens are having a hard time proving their identity after important birth certificates and other records were wiped out.

Before you say that everyone should have an identification card anyway, you should know that there is no law in the United States of America (or in any of the 50 states) that requires you to carry an identification card on your person at all times. The new REAL ID measures effectively eliminate that option.

In addition, in terms of privacy, there are many problems associated with a national ID card that will process information in electronic form. The creation of such a large federal database that essentially collects information on Americans is disturbing, no matter what the stated purpose.

Would you like it if the government knew and kept track of every single place that you visited? As use of the card becomes more prevalent, that will become a growing concern and quite frankly, it's none of the government's business where its citizens legitimately travel within our country's borders.

Further, our federal government has shown that it has been a poor steward of such electronic information as we hear stories all of the time about government laptops with personal info being stolen or identity theft occurring on a massive scale.

The government has also shown that when implementing computer databases that it cannot handle errors effectively. Just ask United States Senator Ted Kennedy how long it took him to get off of the "no-fly" terrorist list monitored by the TSA. If a senator with a full time staff of a dozen people has problems and can't get help, then what hope is there for a 45 year old single mother with three kids to feed?

Sadly, even if someone is given the "green light" to get a license, there is no guarantee that the system will flag them as a terrorist or enemy of the state. Since they had no criminal records, several of the 9-11 hijackers had legitimate driver's licenses and the new REAL ID system would not have flagged them unless they tried to obtain more than one from different states.

Will REAL ID be effective against terrorism? Probably not. Is it another new way to collect information on American citizens? More likely.

Another reason to dread the REAL ID program is the hassle that it will create for law-abiding citizens. The recent shutdown of the North Carolina driver's license offices for several days was due to problems with this national system. If you think delays are bad now at the DMV, then wait until the federal government gets involved.

Strangely, those born before 1964 will not be required immediately to take part in the REAL ID program. As such, it unfairly discriminates against our young people, while allowing those of my generation, the Baby Boomers, who created this piece of ill-conceived legislation to forgo the inconvenience.

The 17 state governments and the American Civil Liberties Union have a right to be afraid of the REAL ID program. Not only does it create a national id card that will inevitably be expanded beyond its current scope.

Unfortunately, our government increasingly believes that collecting large amounts of information on its citizens will "combat terrorism." It seems evident however that in terms of information, our government has forgone quality in exchange for quanitity.

Instead of increasing the budgets for constructing large computer databases, perhaps a better expenditure would be to increase the budget of the FBI by billions of dollars to hire actual agents on the street, investigating and pursuing likely suspects, not collecting data on innocent American citizens.

As seen in the 9/11 Report, the government obtained plenty of information on the hijackers before the attacks, but the information was not leveraged. What good will recording more data do if the government is not able to handle the vast amounts of intelligence they already collect?

In theory, the REAL ID program sounds like an invasion of privacy and a massive step in the wrong direction in terms of tracking citizens' personal information, travel habits, and more. It is against everything that we stand for.

In practice, it could be the beginning of the end of American freedom on a massive scale if pursued to its inevitable end of being necessary to go anywhere. In the future, just like in the movies about Russians, American citizens will be the ones hearing that well-known refrain.

"Papers, please."

Sincerely,
Tom Johnson

http://raleigh2.com/

New security rules for driver's licenses

By DEVLIN BARRETT, Associated Press Writer Fri Jan 11, 1:33 AM ET

WASHINGTON - Americans born after Dec. 1, 1964, will have to get more secure driver's licenses in the next six years under ambitious post-9/11 security rules to be unveiled Friday by federal officials.


The Homeland Security Department has spent years crafting the final regulations for the REAL ID Act, a law designed to make it harder for terrorists, illegal immigrants and con artists to get government-issued identification. The effort once envisioned to take effect in 2008 has been pushed back in the hopes of winning over skeptical state officials.

Even with more time, more federal help and technical advances, REAL ID still faces stiff opposition from civil liberties groups.

To address some of those concerns, the government now plans to phase in a secure ID initiative that Congress passed into law in 2005. Now, DHS plans a key deadline in 2011 — when federal authorities hope all states will be in compliance — and then further measures to be enacted three years later, according to congressional staffers who spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because an announcement had not yet been made. DHS officials briefed legislative aides on the details late Thursday.

Without discussing details, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff promoted the final rules for REAL ID during a meeting Thursday with an advisory council.

"We worked very closely with the states in terms of developing a plan that I think will be inexpensive, reasonable to implement and produce the results," he said. "This is a win-win. As long as people use driver's licenses to identify themselves for whatever reason there's no reason for those licenses to be easily counterfeited or tampered with."

In order to make the plan more appealing to cost-conscious states, federal authorities drastically reduced the expected cost from $14.6 billion to $3.9 billion, a 73 percent decline, according to Homeland Security officials familiar with the plan.

The American Civil Liberties Union has fiercely objected to the effort, particularly the sharing of personal data among government agencies. The DHS and other officials say the only way to make sure an ID is safe is to check it against secure government data; critics like the ACLU say that creates a system that is more likely to be infiltrated and have its personal data pilfered.

In its written objection to the law, the ACLU claims REAL ID amounts to the "first-ever national identity card system," which "would irreparably damage the fabric of American life."

The Sept. 11 attacks were the main motivation for the changes.

The hijacker-pilot who flew into the Pentagon, Hani Hanjour, had a total of four driver's licenses and ID cards from three states. The DHS, which was created in response to the attacks, has created a slogan for REAL ID: "One driver, one license."

By 2014, anyone seeking to board an airplane or enter a federal building would have to present a REAL ID-compliant driver's license, with the notable exception of those more than 50 years old, Homeland Security officials said.

The over-50 exemption was created to give states more time to get everyone new licenses, and officials say the risk of someone in that age group being a terrorist, illegal immigrant or con artist is much less. By 2017, even those over 50 must have a REAL ID-compliant card to board a plane.

Among other details of the REAL ID plan:

_The traditional driver's license photograph would be taken at the beginning of the application instead of the end so that should someone be rejected for failure to prove identity and citizenship, the applicant's photo would be kept on file and checked in the future if that person attempted to con the system again.

_The cards will have three layers of security measures but will not contain microchips as some had expected. States will be able to choose from a menu which security measures they will put in their cards.

Over the next year, the government expects all states to begin checking both the Social Security numbers and immigration status of license applicants.

Most states currently check Social Security numbers and about half check immigration status. Some, like New York, Virginia, North Carolina and California, already have implemented many of the security measures envisioned in REAL ID. In California, for example, officials expect the only major change to adopt the first phase would be to take the photograph at the beginning of the application process instead of the end.

After the Social Security and immigration status checks become nationwide practice, officials plan to move on to more expansive security checks, including state DMV offices checking with the State Department to verify those applicants who use passports to get a driver's license, verifying birth certificates and checking with other states to ensure an applicant doesn't have more than one license.

A handful of states have already signed written agreements indicating plans to comply with REAL ID. Seventeen others, though, have passed legislation or resolutions objecting to it, often based on concerns about the billions of dollars such extra security is expected to cost.

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The over-50 exemption was created to give states more time to get everyone new licenses, and officials say the risk of someone in that age group being a terrorist, illegal immigrant or con artist is much less. By 2017, even those over 50 must have a REAL ID-compliant card to board a plane.

This is a bunch of lies. NC already has it in place as do others. That means the residents of those states regardless of their age will be put into the national databases.

They will still use biometrics and it is still linked. By "excluding" those born before 1964, they are keeping the aarp of their backs. Be not decieved folks. They will have everyone in the "beast" in the long haul. The states will save nothing and you will be watched constantly with the biomtertic identifiers and their cameras posted around the city.

They say no microchips. But DHS can change that at any time. The Real ID is a violation of the 10th and 4th amendment and needs to be repealed.

Homeland Security Ready to Proceed with Real ID Program
Submitted by Julie on January 11, 2008 - 11:17am.


Propaganda Brought to you by DHS

The U.S. Department of Homeland Security proposed a controversial new "Real ID" plan back in March 2007, which aims to increase security and prevent fraud. Despite opposition, Homeland Security is now ready to take the next step in getting the program off the ground, and have announced a press conference for Friday afternoon to discuss Real ID.

The Washington Post revealed earlier today that the Bush administration has decided to add five years to the deadline for states to comply with the Real ID drives license standardization program. According to sources who asked not to be named, the deadline for complicity with the program will be extended to as late as May 2014.

The Real ID program will require drivers to submit items including a digital photograph and a birth certificate or similar proof of identity, as well as a sworn statement that information on their application is true.

According to the terms of the program, drivers born after December 1, 1964 will be required to meet the requirements by May 2011, and those drivers older than 50 won't have to meet the requirements until 2018.

The sources claim that the delay in mandating the new Real ID requirements will help prevent a massive surge of applications, and more orderly phasing in of new licenses as drivers reach their scheduled renewal dates.

Civil rights organizations, including the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), have denounced the Real ID program as a national ID scheme. The ACLU recently issued a statement calling Real ID a "real nightmare."

http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/4293

Real ID Deadline Pushed Back Till May 2011
Submitted by Eugmc on January 11, 2008 - 11:05am.



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Remember all the talk of Homeland Security implementing the "Real ID" act that will make things like drivers licenses uniform. Well, the deadline of this year has been pushed back till 2011 to give states more time to implement the sweeping changes that will come with the move.

Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said:

"We have worked very closely with the states in terms of developing a plan that I think will be quite inexpensive, reasonable to implement and produce the results."

If you were born after Dec. 1, 1964 you will be required to submit a digital photograph upon application, a birth certificate or similar proof of identity, and a statement on penalty of perjury by May 2011. Drivers older than 50 would have until 2018 to meet the new license requirements. The changes are said to be saving over 10 Billion dollars with the slower rollout, making the total government expense $3.9 billion after projections of $14.6 billion.

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DHS Releases REAL ID Regulation

Release Date: January 11, 2008

For Immediate Release
Office of the Press Secretary
Contact: 202-282-8010

REAL ID Requirements

The U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) announced today a final rule establishing minimum security standards for state-issued drivers’ licenses and identification cards. The rule sets uniform standards that enhance the integrity and reliability of drivers’ licenses and identification cards, strengthen issuance capabilities, and increase security at drivers’ license and identification card production facilities. The final rule also dramatically reduces state implementation costs by roughly 73 percent.

“The American public’s desire for greater identity protection is undeniable,â€