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    Sippy, I know this is rather long, but here is what Sen. Sessions said about the "Dream" Act just a few weeks ago during the last debate (posted on his website). There are good points in this:
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    Let me talk about this DREAM Act. It is something Senator Durbin points out that I have objected to before. I have objected to it before when it came up in the Judiciary Committee, not in the Armed Services Committee.

    The Durbin amendment, as filed as of the end of July, would do a number of things. It will, indeed, provide amnesty, the full panoply of rights we give to any citizen who comes here lawfully. It provides a full citizenship track and full rights for quite a number of illegal aliens, putting them on a direct path to citizenship. A conservative estimate done by the Migration Policy Institute suggests that at least 1.3 million will be eligible for amnesty. It will also allow current illegal aliens, those who would be provided amnesty under this bill, and future illegal aliens who come here after this day, illegally--hopefully, I thought we decided when the comprehensive bill was voted down, the American people were saying let's end illegal immigration--it would provide for them to be eligible for in-State tuition at public universities, even when the university denies in-State tuition to U.S. citizens and legally present aliens.

    It would reverse 1996 law that quite rationally said let's not reward people who are here illegally by giving them a discounted rate of tuition. How much more simple is it than that?

    It would provide Federal financial aid in the form of student loans and work/study programs, subsidized by Federal money. It is unclear, it appears, whether Pell grants, direct Federal grants, are going to be provided to people in our country illegally, with which to go to college, whereas hard-working Americans, many of them, don't qualify for Pell grants--and we need to expand Pell grants. Why would we then be providing them to persons who would come into our country illegally?

    They say they may have come when they were younger. Maybe they did. But if you have a limited number of persons to whom you can provide Pell grants or subsidized loans, I suggest they should be given to those who are lawfully here, not those who are unlawfully here.

    There is an old slogan: If you are in a hole, the first thing you should do is stop digging. I suggest if you have a problem with people coming into the country illegally, the first thing you should do is stop subsidizing that illegal behavior by giving them discounted tuition.

    The DREAM Act establishes a seamless process to take illegal aliens directly from illegal status to conditional permanent resident status, then to legal permanent resident status, and then the next step, of course, is citizenship. First, illegal aliens who came here before age 16 and have been here illegally for the past 5 years will be given ``conditional'' permanent residence, or green cards, if they have been admitted to an institution of higher education or have a GED, or have a high school diploma. The ``conditional'' green card, which is good for 6 years, will be converted to a full green card. A green card means you have a legal permanent residence status in America. In this case it would be a direct result of an illegal entry into the United States, or an illegal overstay. It will be converted to a full green card if the alien completes 2 years of a bachelor's degree or serves 2 years in the uniformed services. This is broader than the term ``military service,'' as people have said. ``Uniformed services,'' as defined by title 10, includes the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration Commissioned Corps and the U.S. Public Health Service Commissioned Corps, in addition to the military. Or they would qualify if they can't do those because of hardship.

    After 5 years of ``conditional,'' or full green card permanent status, the aliens amnestied under the DREAM Act will be eligible for citizenship.

    We are also expanding, through this amendment, if it is to be adopted, immigration into the country based on an illegal action in a number of ways. There is nothing in the DREAM Act that limits the ability of the illegal aliens who are being provided permanent status and citizenship here to bring in their family members. Once an illegal alien becomes a legal resident under the act, they can immigrate their spouses and their children. As soon as the illegal alien becomes a citizen, he or she will be able to bring in, to immigrate their parents to the country as a matter of right. So there is no numerical limit to the number of parents a citizen can immigrate into the United States. I think that is one of the flaws in our current law.

    The reason that is important is because we are generous in immigration. We allow a million or more a year to come legally into our country. We do provide quite a number of generous provisions that allow people to come. But if you are allowing those limited number of slots--in effect, we have only so many that the country does allow and would desire to allow to come--we are providing parents of those who have been illegal to be able to come as a guaranteed right, whereas another who may have a master's degree, may have a high skill, may have learned English in Honduras and is valedictorian of their school or college--they can't get in. But they have an automatic right for a parent, who may have done far less in the scheme of things to justify taking one of those limited slots the country has to offer. That is why I am concerned about that.

    We don't think about it in correct terms. We have to understand we cannot accept everybody in the world. We should create a generous system of immigration that allows people to come to America, but we ought to set up a legal system that we are proud of and that sets good standards, that allows a person to have the greatest opportunity to be successful here, to have more precedence in entry--which is exactly what Canada does, and Canada is quite proud of it.

    In 1996, Congress passed this law:

    Not withstanding any other provision of law, an alien who is not lawfully present in the United States shall not be eligible on the basis of residence within a State ..... for any postsecondary education benefit unless a citizen or national of the United States is eligible for such a benefit (in no less an amount, duration and scope) without regard to whether the citizen or national is such a resident.

    The DREAM Act eliminates this provision that has been offered on the Defense bill. It would reverse this current Federal law. The result is that States will be able to offer in-State tuition to illegal aliens.

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    I just got off the phone with a staffer for Senator Gordon Smith (Oregon). He told me that because of the amount of calls in oposition to the Dream Act that they were under the impression that the bill wouldn't hit the floor for some time. Next year at the earliest. I hope this is true but Im not holding my breath.
    Of course if you didn't want to deal with all the calls I guess I would say the same thing. He wouldn't tell me how the Senator would be voting on the subject either.

    The other Senator (Ron Wyden) was very tough to get ahold of. He has been a Pro Amnesty turncoat from the get go. To bad he has three more years in office before we can vote him out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgiaPeach
    Thank you SoSad for the information all together.

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    Your very welcome "GeorgiaPeach" you go girl!!! I feel so good and happy when I see everyone working so hard for our country , I can see their fingers flying across the key boards!!! I'm with Sippy I am on a new Ream of paper, well Sippy if we are buying it so is DC Oh wait we are paying for theirs too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JRB
    April,
    I just got off the phone with a staffer for Senator Gordon Smith (Oregon). He told me that because of the amount of calls in oposition to the Dream Act that they were under the impression that the bill wouldn't hit the floor for some time. Next year at the earliest. I hope this is true but Im not holding my breath.
    Of course if you didn't want to deal with all the calls I guess I would say the same thing. He wouldn't tell me how the Senator would be voting on the subject either.

    The other Senator (Ron Wyden) was very tough to get ahold of. He has been a Pro Amnesty turncoat from the get go. To bad he has three more years in office before we can vote him out.
    Interesting.
    I'll call his office as well (and others) but this is interesting.

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    Glad to know most of the calls are against the Dream Act but you can bet the Dreamies are on the calls also.

    Better safe than sorry, I picture them trying to sneak one of the bills through to appease the pro anmesty lobbists!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by JRB
    April,
    I just got off the phone with a staffer for Senator Gordon Smith (Oregon). He told me that because of the amount of calls in oposition to the Dream Act that they were under the impression that the bill wouldn't hit the floor for some time. Next year at the earliest. I hope this is true but Im not holding my breath.
    We can't take anything for granted and have to keep calling, faxing etc. Remember the D.A. had some GOP support previously and probably still does (Sens. Hatch, Lugar, Hagel etc.), and Sen. Durbin and the OBL is working hard on this. So please keep calling etc.
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    Call them and let them know. WE dont want no dream act.
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    I will see if I can hop over to check on the dreamies to see what they are up to right now.

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    Here is the e-mail I sent my Senators in Mexifornia!

    No to Dream Act, No to Amnesty under any other name.
    The America that I grew up in is gone. With men like Ted Kennedy and his strong support of the 1965 Hart-Celler Act — signed into law by President Lyndon B. Johnson — which dramatically changed US immigration policy. Ted Kennedy lying to us in 1965 "The bill will not flood our cities with immigrants. It will not upset the ethnic mix of our society. It will not relax the standards of admission. It will not cause American workers to lose their jobs." Now this traitor Kennedy is the chair of the United States Senate Judiciary Subcommittee on Immigration, Border Security and Citizenship, and remains a strong advocate for immigrants, both documented and undocumented.
    Until men like this are removed from serving in the decision making of this country, there is no United States of America.
    What we have now is the largest welfare office ever conceived for the third world nations to plunder at will. Fox is the epitome of a parasite whose centerpiece of economic reform was to displace as many of Mexico's poor upon US taxpayers as possible. He is no amigo of US citizens. He is a menace to your children's future freedom and prosperity. Mexico has done nothing but take advantage of the situation and is not going to slow down until they are good and ready too. Other countries have caught on to the welfare that is available and are in line also for there share of American good well.
    Yea do we ever get a Thank You from any of these countries?
    As we see our education, health and law enforcement systems start to go into chaos; an American finally speaks up and says hey what is happening here! Then that American is branded a racist from this same country whom has benefited from our generosity since 1965. That is 42 years of helping out with the corrupt third world nations in the world and allowing there citizens a hand up.
    I have said from the beginning of this, there most be a better way than the present situation we have now.
    I do not want my representative to support any Amnesty programs for any illegal aliens until the Invasion is stopped.
    You as one of Ted Kennedy’s allies are to share in the burden you have placed on the generosity Americans are providing Illegal Aliens at a fierce pace, that pace needs to be controlled. Until that fierce pace can be controlled then no more freebies for illegal Aliens.
    Do you even care that California has the worst schools, worst gangs in Los Angeles. Is that your goal to absolutely bring the education, health and law enforcement to a point of devastation?
    Even as you support Mexican family values as your point in bringing more here, that experiment is not working either. Let’s just say they are more like the Paris Hilton family values. Unless the life chances of children raised by single mothers suddenly improve, the explosive growth of the U.S. Hispanic population over the next couple of decades does not bode well for American social stability. Hispanic immigrants bring near–Third World levels of fertility to America, coupled with what were once thought to be First World levels of illegitimacy. (In fact, family breakdown is higher in many Hispanic countries than here. Nearly half of the children born to Hispanic mothers in the U.S. are born out of wedlock, a proportion that has been increasing rapidly with no signs of slowing down. Given what psychologists and sociologists now know about the much higher likelihood of social pathology among those who grow up in single-mother
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    Tell them the "Dream" is the "American Dream" not the "Illegal Dream" it is for OUR American children.
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