Thread: *** GUTIERREZ/FLAKE AMNESTY is Unveiled!!!!!

April I could have done without that information thank you.



THIS IS WHAT YOU CALL INDENIAL!!!

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Going to Starbucks was SOSADFORUS' suggestion! BLAME HER!!!

Originally Posted by olivermyboy

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Going to Starbucks was SOSADFORUS' suggestion! BLAME HER!!!

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OK, my eyes are burning, my head is about to explode, but... I am still reading this hideous thing and have uncovered more 'lowlights' (as opposed to highlights):

I'll include a select few below (generally paraphrased or translated into my own words as to provide a brief and general summary - you're encouraged to read the bill to verify and for your own personal edification).

Some of these are just isolated facts which I've listed as an FYI, and others are sections where I've quoted or summarized sections and even followed those up with a question or two - to help make the point.


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Pg 136 Re: Background Checks, Security Concerns, etc.

Sec 362 (b)

There exists much language which describes the processes
for background checks, national security issues, etc.
but, then at the end of the section includes this language:

"An alien has no right to review or appeal the secretary's
decision... but remains entitled to interim work authorization"

So, if DHS is not sure an alien is permissible or 'safe' we're supposed
to let him/her continue to stay and work here anyway???

How about circumstances like the 9/11 terrorists?
How late do we wait in the background review process before we determine someone alien to be too dangerous to admit?

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Pg 138-139 State Criminal Alien Assistance Program

(a) Reimbursement of States
-"Subject to the amounts provided in advance in Appropriate acts"

Authorized is $200,000,000 total for US annually for FY's 2008-2012
(That's to be shared by all states each year - eg. is really not very much at all)

Later sections use clause:

"Authorization of Appropriations-There are authorized to be
appropriated such sums as may be necessary for each of the
fiscal years 2008 through 2012 to carry out this section"

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Sec 212 Mandatory Address Reporting Requirements

Reliance upon 'last reported address' to serve future paperwork, notices, etc.

Also, noted many places in text where 'Attorney General' references
are replaced by 'Secretary of Homeland Security'

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I had to read this twice to make sure it said what it sounded like it said (Caps added by me)

Pg 146

(c) Effect On Eligibility for Immigration Benefits-

If an alien fails to comply with section 262, 263, or 265 of the
Immigration and Nationality Act (8 USC 1302, 1303, 1305) or
section 264.1 of title 8, Code of Federal Regulations, or
removal order or voluntary departure agreements based on any
such section for acts committed prior to the enactment of this Act such failure shall NOT affect the eligibility of the alien to apply for a benefit under the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 USC 1101 et. seq.)

-What? Shall NOT affect...?!?!?!? This sounds wrong to me.

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The one "good" provision:

Pg 147 State and Local Enforcement of Federal Immigration Laws

(a) Amended Section 287(g) - provides for Federal reimbursement
to State/Local agencies for training

Formally allows reimbursement to State/Local agencies seeking 287(g)
immigration enforcement training by DHS.

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Pg 148 - Increased Criminal Penalties Related to Drunk Driving

(In general I'd suggest deferring to NumbersUSA analysis here;
their work seems to be complete and well researched)

In general, 3 drunk driving offenses designates the alien as
'deportable' - but does such designation MANDATE deportation?

Even worse - they have written language into the bill that
gives the alien charged with DUI a mandatory text statement
that warns the perpetrator that conviction for DUI is a
deportable offense.

Then, in the same section, the bill goes on to say that if
warning statement has not been read to the perpetrator, then
the alien with the DUI arrest can withdraw a guilty plea and
plead not guilty (the details get murky here, but it appears this is 'an out' - a provision written in to be able to avoid deportation).

Can you believe this statement:
"The defendant shall not be required to disclose his or her immigration status at any time" (?!!?!?)

This section approaches pure ridiculousness!!!

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Pg 151

Sec 215 Law Enforcement Authority of States and Political
Subdivisions and Transfer to Federal Custody

(1) Determination of immigration status is delegated to
DHS (Feds, and not allowed by State/Local officials) and

(2) Requires DHS to inform State/Local officials whether or
not DHS intends to take custody of offender - providing an
approximate timeline for custody transfer.
:

[How is this much different or effective than at present?]
[This also implicitly silences State/Local authorities from
inquiring about immigration status too]

Section also followed up by 'Authorizations are appropriated
such sums as may be necessary to carry out this section'

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Pg 154 Increase of Federal Detention Space....

Again, "Subject to available appropriations..."

Total space sought - a min. of 20,000 headcount total.

For comparison:
Q. And how many Americans are incarcerated at any point in time lately?
A. (It's over a million - I do know that!)

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Pg 157-159 Determination of Immigration Status of Individuals Charged with Federal Offenses

: (a,b,c)...
:
Then, Section (d):

(d) Construction - Nothing in this section may be construed to provide a basis for admitting evidence to a jury or releasing information to the public regarding an alien's immigration status.

(Operating with secrecy or in an informational vacuum.)

So LaRaza controls corporations but it doesn't control us!

SOSADFORUS wrote:

April I could have done without that information thank you.

Sorry about that SOSAD, but remember the truth shall set you free! Why don't you get one of those Cappuccino Maker machines for your home? You would save lots of money and would not support anyone who does not deserve you business.

Pg 157-159 Determination of Immigration Status of Individuals Charged with Federal Offenses

: (a,b,c)...
:
Then, Section (d):

(d) Construction - Nothing in this section may be construed to provide a basis for admitting evidence to a jury or releasing information to the public regarding an alien's immigration status.

I just made calls to all of the Dems in the House of Reps who won in previously Republican districts. I couldn't get a yea or nay on whether they supported Flake/Gutiererrez, or not, but I did politely express my opinion and they politely wrote it down.

I told them it was an amnesty bill first and foremost, and that it was a LaRaza Bill that went against Americans. The enforcement parts were not spelled out as to how they would be carried out. It was a call for open borders. The Congressman/woman needs to read all 700 pages of the bill because there is a lot of bad that it intends as well as a lot that has been purposely omitted.

Whew!!! Man those phones people! We have a lot of work to do educating these people!!

Let's hope the Flake/Gutierrez Bill is unraveling....