Thread: Eric Trump: My dads immigration plan includes amnesty after deportation

Eric Trump: My dads immigration plan includes amnesty after deportation

southernconstitutionalist (Diary)/Dec 6, 2015


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Last month, Marc A. Thiessen of the American Enterprise Institute published the article Message to the GOP: Trump supports amnesty.

In it, he highlights Eric Trump’s description of his father’s immigration plan:

“The point isn’t just deporting them, it’s deporting them and letting them back in legally. He’s been so clear about that and I know the liberal media wants to misconstrue it, but its deporting them and letting them back legally.”

Which echoes Donald’s previous comments:

“I would get people out and then have an expedited way of getting them back into the country so they can be legal…. A lot of these people are helping us … and sometimes it’s jobs a citizen of the United States doesn’t want to do. I want to move ’em out, and we’re going to move ’em back in and let them be legal.”

The key word is expedited. An expedited process is another way of saying that illegals are going to cut in line of those who have been waiting for years.

There is no question about it: that constitutes amnesty. Ron Fournier has describedTrump’s plan as “gold-plated amnesty.”

Thiessen mentions the fact that this basic idea has been proposed before by moderates and met strong opposition:

“This is a policy called “touchback” and it was first proposed in 2007 by moderate Republican Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison (TX). She offered a “touchback” amendment on the Senate floor that would have required illegal immigrants to return to their home countries to apply for a special “Z visa” that would allow them to reenter the United States in an expedited fashion and work here indefinitely.”

It is unclear, however, whether Trump would give the illegals a legal status or citizenship. And it is a critical distinction, as citizenship involves welfare and voting privileges. Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) 100% and Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) 89% have supported a legal status, while Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) 94% and Jeb Bush have supported citizenship. Ben Carson has wavered between both. All of the major, if not all, of the candidates support some form of amnesty. The appeal to Trump’s supporters was that their candidate didn’t support any amnesty whatsoever.

Whether Trump supporters educate themselves about his immigration position will be key to whether he maintains his lead or falters.

https://flipboard.com/topic/erictrum...2Fredstate.com

It is unclear, however, whether Trump would give the illegals a legal status or citizenship. And it is a critical distinction, as citizenship involves welfare and voting privileges. Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) 100% and Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) 89% have supported a legal status, while Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) 94% and Jeb Bush have supported citizenship. Ben Carson has wavered between both. All of the major, if not all, of the candidates support some form of amnesty. The appeal to Trump’s supporters was that their candidate didn’t support any amnesty whatsoever.

What is clear is that Trump can't give illegal aliens legal status or citizenship. He's not a member of Congress like Cruz who wanted to give them legal status or like Rubio who wanted to give them citizenship, noting please that neither Cruz nor Rubio want to deport illegal aliens, they want to give them legal status and/or citizenship, something as Senators they can do.

Trump on the other hand is not a member of Congress and if elected President Trump would have no authority to let any illegal alien deported back into the country for at least 10 years. For any President who has deported all the illegal aliens which Trump says he'll complete in 2 years, there would need to be an Act of Congress for any type of earlier return.

The appeal to Trump’s supporters was that their candidate didn’t support any amnesty whatsoever.

What appeals to Trump supporters is that he's going to deport all of them and "move 'em out of here", "in family units", no child left behind, with no amnesty, citizenship or legal status, and what happens to them after that is up to Congress and the American Voter.

If this is indeed Trump's plan, it will eventually wear down and end his popularity among conservatives while liberals will never appreciate him... leaving him as the most despised President in US history... worse than Bush or Obama.

Donald Trump is #1 in the polls because GOP voters believe he will deport all illegals and Syrian refugees. If they find out that he plans to simply perform a touch back like Mike Pence or Mike Huckabee the Huckster then its game over.

W

8/17/15

TRUMP: I’LL TRY TO BRING BACK ‘GOOD’ ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS ‘RAPIDLY’

Originally Posted by ALIPAC

If this is indeed Trump's plan, it will eventually wear down and end his popularity among conservatives while liberals will never appreciate him... leaving him as the most despised President in US history... worse than Bush or Obama.

Donald Trump is #1 in the polls because GOP voters believe he will deport all illegals and Syrian refugees. If they find out that he plans to simply perform a touch back like Mike Pence or Mike Huckabee the Huckster then its game over.

W

What in this post with its false headline misquoting Eric Trump has gotten you upset with the first Presidential candidate in over 60 years who can and will deport all illegal aliens? Trump has said from day one and over and over again that he is open to some plan to allow some "really good ones", "exemplary ones", "well-educated ones like doctors", "ones who are working hard and not causing us any problems", "good people who are helping us", to come back legally. This is a very small number of people and even this would require an Act of Congress.

87% of illegal aliens are on some form of welfare. That's causing us a lot of problems, so rule all those out. That leaves 13%. About half of all illegal aliens are visa overstays, the other half came in illegally, which causes us a lot of problems. So rule those out. That leaves 6.5%. Rule out the % of those who came in on a tourist visa but are working instead, that causes us a lot of problems. So rule those out. Take the ones who came in on work visas but are terrorists and terrorist sympathizers, drug runners and so forth, so rule all those out, so this is a very very small group of people, and even this small group would have other requirements to meet as well as an Act of Congress.

Trump's plan is not the touch-back legislation introduced by former US Senator Kay Bailey-Hutchinson in 2007. It's not anything remotely like it. It's also not the make them go home and come back in legally self-deportation, start over plan of Mike Huckabee, nothing at all like it.

Trump is going to deport them to get them out of here, because he doesn't want them here. In is official plan on his website, there is no initiative or plan to propose any legislation to allow illegal aliens deported to return to the US. Instead there are plans to shut down the H1B visa program by raising the wage paid and beefing up proof they can't find US workers and freeze green cards until Americans are back to work. He is allowing for "a door" to control the hysteria. Can't you see that?

There's 30 million or more of these people in the United States. We know that and more importantly Trump knows that. You want riots in the streets by 30 million illegal aliens?

This requires very careful "management" and Trump supporters know that.

https://www.aei.org/publication/mess...ports-amnesty/

And who is the author of the article, redstate is quoting, that MW is so impressed with?

Marc Alexander Thiessen (born January 13, 1967[1]) is an American author, columnist and political commentator. He served as a speechwriter for United States President George W. Bush (2004–2009) and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld (2001–2004). Thiessen's articles have appeared in the Los Angeles Times, National Review, The Wall Street Journal, The Washington Post, The Weekly Standard, USA Today and other publications. He has also appeared on Fox News, CNN, NPR, and other media outlets. In its January 11, 2010 issue, The Daily Telegraph named Thiessen number 97 of the "100 Most Influential Conservatives in America".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Thiessen

He's a Bush Boy who now writes a weekly column for the Washington Post.

About

Marc Thiessen writes a weekly column for The Post on foreign and domestic policy and contributes to the PostPartisan blog. He is a fellow at the American Enterprise Institute.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/people/marc-a-thiessen

You can see how the Trump supporters feel about the article from the comments. I guess it got so bad for Thiessen, they closed it for comments after 8. But like one of them said, we're sure going to increase the "clicks" for this garbage article planted by the Bush campaign. Sad.

https://www.aei.org/publication/mess...ports-amnesty/

Discussion: (8 comments)

Randy Tuggle November 13th, 2015

Of course they’ll come back if they want to be LEGALIZED CITIZENS! The US allows that! This article is BS and LINK BAIT. How dare you accuse Trump of amnesty with this crap! I’m calling you out!

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john November 13th, 2015

GO TRUMP! Kick those f…s OUT!

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Matt Osterndorf November 13th, 2015

Yeah, because AEI is in it for the clicks.

Clown.

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Eric November 28th, 2015

Yeah, but the point is that it will be possible for them to immigrate here legally, which it is not possible for them to do now. It is just as easy for illegal immigrants to become legal under Trump’s plan as it is for anyone else who supposedly supports amnesty. Under Trump’s plan illegal immigrants are rewarded with legal status much more easily than those who never came here illegally.

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Eric November 28th, 2015

And no, it’s not just for those who want to be citizens, as you say. Trump has you idiots wrapped around his little finger. It doesn’t matter what his position actually is. As long as he uses the right rhetoric, you dufuses gobble it up.

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Gerald November 15th, 2015

Ready the cattle cars! Lol.

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Matt Miller November 18th, 2015

It’s not amnesty! It is what most Republicans want. 1) Stop illegal border crossings. 2) If you came here illegally, you must leave and go through the legal process, if you wish to return. 3) Make the legal process more streamlined, efficient; however, we must have criminal record checks and health screening. 4) No welfare or social services for non-citizens. [You want our benefits, you need to be one of us.] 5) Create and administer a guest worker program for those who do not wish to actually immigrate. 5) Have a program for tracking EVERY individual that comes into the country and if they overstay. 6) Heavy penalties for companies that hire illegal aliens. This is called “Comprehensive Immigration Reform” and Republicans SUPPORT IT. But stopping the flow and pumping out the flood has to come first. THEN you worry about cooking dinner. Priorities.

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Mark Vande Pol November 20th, 2015

Dear Mr. Thiessen,
You are first and only mass media commentator I have heard who gets it about Donald Trump. For the life of me, I cannot understand how conservatives could be so desperate as to believe this dissembler. He is portraying a caricature of a conservative, it seems with the intent of disparagement toward the general election. My concern is that it appears to be working.
I hope the editors of FoxNews haven’t made this too difficult for you. It must be bad enough watching this clown act while Rome smolders.
Please do check the web address; I think you’ll find it edifying.
Mark Vande Pol

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Trump supporters are all-in to win. And that's the vast majority of our forum. And I mean, vast vast. 66% some weeks ago, probably over 80% by now. Not sure where you guys are trying to go with posting Bush plant articles as Trump positions and then treating them as gospel. I would seriously reconsider that stance.

Judy, your blindness to the truth is absolutely astounding where Trump is concerned.

Judy wrote:

And who is the author of the article, redstate is quoting, that MW is so impressed with?

Why do you always insist on attacking the messenger when you don't agree with a story or article? The truth is the truth and attacking the supplier of said information doesn't do anything to change the facts or give your argument credibility. Very few people impress me, and there are no bloggers, journalist, or writers on my small list of those that impress. I post stories I find and let the reader be the judge of the content.

Originally Posted by MW

Judy, your blindness to the truth is absolutely astounding where Trump is concerned.

I'm a Trump Supporter who is all-in to win. It's a shame you and some others don't know what that means. This is a garbage article written by a former Speech writer for GW Bush and planted on redstate by a Bush supporter.

But hey, if Jeb Bush and the Washington Post anti-Trump columnists are your new best friends, have at it.

Originally Posted by MW

Judy wrote:



Why do you always insist on attacking the messenger when you don't agree with a story or article? The truth is the truth and attacking the supplier of said information doesn't do anything to change the facts or give your argument credibility. Very few people impress me, and there are no bloggers, journalist, or writers on my small list of those that impress.

Then don't worry about it. The fact is you reposted a post from redstate pertaining to an article written by an author who was a speechwriter for GW Bush and who writes a weekly column for the Washington Post that isn't true.

Trump never said they "all" come back, Trump never said "all but criminals" come back. What Trump said was "only the really good ones", "exemplary people", "who work hard and don't cause us any problems", "well-educated ones like doctors", and "those who are helping us" may be able to be brought back legally under some expedited process. Those of us in the know, know even that would require an Act of Congress to accomplish. The objective is to gain public support for the plan to deport, win the election, deport and solve the problem of illegal immigration. Why you or anyone else here at ALIPAC would have a problem with that is beyond me.

But hey, you're entitled to your opinion just like everyone else, just as you're free to post Bush Anti-Trump Propaganda and call me "blind" when I call it out.