Thread: Every time America experiences a wave of immigration

What's happening in this country is no longer "immigration" and hasn't been since 1965, when traitor kennedy pushed his immigration act into law. What we now have is a deliberate attempt to replace the majority in this country with a third-world, non-European, highly socialistic and government dependent underclass - in an effort to create a one part rule in this country.

But the transformation isn’t going fast enough so they opened flood gates to allow millions of nationalistic, ignorant third-world, highly fertile illegal invaders from mexico in order to hasten the process. Throw in a Bolshevik administration that hates the principles for which this country has founded upon and the plan begins to pick up its pace.

Originally Posted by Justthefacts

I don't see millions of Irish , marching with Irish flags
I don't see them demanding we speak Irish , I don't have to press 2 for Irish
Most Irish I know speak English

I don't see them dropping anchor babies all over the place and for the most part abusing our welfare systems

I don't see them demanding Irish raza classes and ethnic studies in Irish

Apples and oranges

I happen to know a thing or two about Irish immigrants. This comparison is personal for my family.

1) The Irish came through the front door. As a matter of fact, the first immigrant on Ellis Island was an Irishwoman

2) Contrary to popular belief, every Irish man or woman to make it to the Island did not gain entrance into the US. They had to pass strict immigration standards that included a barbaric physical and proof of ability to support themselves. Those who could not pass were not only shipped back to Ireland, but fined as well

3) The vast majority of young men had to serve in the military immediately upon arrival.

4) They had to learn English in order to gain employment.

5) convicts, the ill, and prostitutes were not allowed into the US

They did not sneak across the border
They did not try to shove their language down the throats of Americans. (Contrary to popular belief, most spoke Irish not English)
They abided by our laws and worked to assimilate and become Americans

Originally Posted by cayla99

Originally Posted by Justthefacts

I don't see millions of Irish , marching with Irish flags
I don't see them demanding we speak Irish , I don't have to press 2 for Irish
Most Irish I know speak English

I don't see them dropping anchor babies all over the place and for the most part abusing our welfare systems

I don't see them demanding Irish raza classes and ethnic studies in Irish

Apples and oranges

I happen to know a thing or two about Irish immigrants. This comparison is personal for my family.

1) The Irish came through the front door. As a matter of fact, the first immigrant on Ellis Island was an Irishwoman

2) Contrary to popular belief, every Irish man or woman to make it to the Island did not gain entrance into the US. They had to pass strict immigration standards that included a barbaric physical and proof of ability to support themselves. Those who could not pass were not only shipped back to Ireland, but fined as well

3) The vast majority of young men had to serve in the military immediately upon arrival.

4) They had to learn English in order to gain employment.

5) convicts, the ill, and prostitutes were not allowed into the US

They did not sneak across the border
They did not try to shove their language down the throats of Americans. (Contrary to popular belief, most spoke Irish not English)
They abided by our laws and worked to assimilate and become Americans

Here's the thing. Like any group of immigrants, the first generation usually has the hardest time integrating. It was true with the Irish, the Gernmans, and it's true with Hispanics. I've yet to come across a second generation Hispanic who does not speak English. That's one reason I don't believe any of this crap about how we'll all need to learn to speak Spanish. The future generations usually always integrate as the older generations die out.

The reason we have to press 1 for English is because of the never ending flow of FIRST generation immigrants. If there was a never ending flow of German immigrants people back then would be dealing with the same problem. It's really not that hard to understand people. We need to halt the flow of people over the border for security and infrastructure reasons which are legitimate reasons. But Conservatives always use the wrong reasons and go about it the wrong way, which is why we can never get anything done and will never get anything done. Conservatives need to mellow out and think about the problem rationally.

Originally Posted by xfighter

Originally Posted by cayla99

Originally Posted by Justthefacts

I don't see millions of Irish , marching with Irish flags
I don't see them demanding we speak Irish , I don't have to press 2 for Irish
Most Irish I know speak English

I don't see them dropping anchor babies all over the place and for the most part abusing our welfare systems

I don't see them demanding Irish raza classes and ethnic studies in Irish

Apples and oranges

I happen to know a thing or two about Irish immigrants. This comparison is personal for my family.

1) The Irish came through the front door. As a matter of fact, the first immigrant on Ellis Island was an Irishwoman

2) Contrary to popular belief, every Irish man or woman to make it to the Island did not gain entrance into the US. They had to pass strict immigration standards that included a barbaric physical and proof of ability to support themselves. Those who could not pass were not only shipped back to Ireland, but fined as well

3) The vast majority of young men had to serve in the military immediately upon arrival.

4) They had to learn English in order to gain employment.

5) convicts, the ill, and prostitutes were not allowed into the US

They did not sneak across the border
They did not try to shove their language down the throats of Americans. (Contrary to popular belief, most spoke Irish not English)
They abided by our laws and worked to assimilate and become Americans

Here's the thing. Like any group of immigrants, the first generation usually has the hardest time integrating. It was true with the Irish, the Gernmans, and it's true with Hispanics. I've yet to come across a second generation Hispanic who does not speak English. That's one reason I don't believe any of this crap about how we'll all need to learn to speak Spanish. The future generations usually always integrate as the older generations die out.

The reason we have to press 1 for English is because of the never ending flow of FIRST generation immigrants. If there was a never ending flow of German immigrants people back then would be dealing with the same problem. It's really not that hard to understand people. We need to halt the flow of people over the border for security and infrastructure reasons which are legitimate reasons. But Conservatives always use the wrong reasons and go about it the wrong way, which is why we can never get anything done and will never get anything done. Conservatives need to mellow out and think about the problem rationally.

Here is what you are missing. Even though many if not most legal Hispanics know how to speak English they won't do it unless they have to. They choose Spanish as their primary language of usage out in public and at home. I don't care what language they speak at home but out in public it is a non-assimilation factor IMO.

No, the reason we have to press one for English and two for Spanish is to accomodate the millions of illegal alien Spanish speakers in our country.

Conservatives use the wrong reasons to want illegal immigration stopped? There are many reasons it should be stopped and I think Conservatives bring them all up. Conservatives need to mellow out? What does that mean? I think they are the only ones thinking about this problem rationally.

Originally Posted by xfighter

Originally Posted by cayla99

Originally Posted by Justthefacts

I don't see millions of Irish , marching with Irish flags
I don't see them demanding we speak Irish , I don't have to press 2 for Irish
Most Irish I know speak English

I don't see them dropping anchor babies all over the place and for the most part abusing our welfare systems

I don't see them demanding Irish raza classes and ethnic studies in Irish

Apples and oranges

I happen to know a thing or two about Irish immigrants. This comparison is personal for my family.

1) The Irish came through the front door. As a matter of fact, the first immigrant on Ellis Island was an Irishwoman

2) Contrary to popular belief, every Irish man or woman to make it to the Island did not gain entrance into the US. They had to pass strict immigration standards that included a barbaric physical and proof of ability to support themselves. Those who could not pass were not only shipped back to Ireland, but fined as well

3) The vast majority of young men had to serve in the military immediately upon arrival.

4) They had to learn English in order to gain employment.

5) convicts, the ill, and prostitutes were not allowed into the US

They did not sneak across the border
They did not try to shove their language down the throats of Americans. (Contrary to popular belief, most spoke Irish not English)
They abided by our laws and worked to assimilate and become Americans

Here's the thing. Like any group of immigrants, the first generation usually has the hardest time integrating. It was true with the Irish, the Gernmans, and it's true with Hispanics. I've yet to come across a second generation Hispanic who does not speak English. That's one reason I don't believe any of this crap about how we'll all need to learn to speak Spanish. The future generations usually always integrate as the older generations die out.

The reason we have to press 1 for English is because of the never ending flow of FIRST generation immigrants. If there was a never ending flow of German immigrants people back then would be dealing with the same problem. It's really not that hard to understand people. We need to halt the flow of people over the border for security and infrastructure reasons which are legitimate reasons. But Conservatives always use the wrong reasons and go about it the wrong way, which is why we can never get anything done and will never get anything done. Conservatives need to mellow out and think about the problem rationally.

If stopping illegal immigration in the name of "border security and infrastructure" are such compelling and just reasons (I agree they are) to halt illegal invaders, then why haven't the progressives embraced this righteous cause?

Are they that obtuse, or do they genuinely want to see this country plunged into anarchy through illegal invaders?

Stop laying the blame at the feet of conservatives on this issue. If it were left up to the conservatives, we as a nation would have a better chance at stopping this illegal invasion on all fronts.

Oh...illegal invaders are not "immigrants."

Originally Posted by xfighter

Here's the thing. Like any group of immigrants, the first generation usually has the hardest time integrating. It was true with the Irish, the Gernmans, and it's true with Hispanics. I've yet to come across a second generation Hispanic who does not speak English. That's one reason I don't believe any of this crap about how we'll all need to learn to speak Spanish. The future generations usually always integrate as the older generations die out.

The reason we have to press 1 for English is because of the never ending flow of FIRST generation immigrants. If there was a never ending flow of German immigrants people back then would be dealing with the same problem. It's really not that hard to understand people. We need to halt the flow of people over the border for security and infrastructure reasons which are legitimate reasons. But Conservatives always use the wrong reasons and go about it the wrong way, which is why we can never get anything done and will never get anything done. Conservatives need to mellow out and think about the problem rationally.

I am assuming you do not live in California. The reason I reach that assumption is for many jobs there English is optional but Spanish is a requirement.

What about the Oregon firefighters who were fired or demoted for not speaking Spanish?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FR5MjzHngnc

I would say 50 years of mass Irish immigration produced numerous decades of first generation immigrants, yet somehow they all managed to learn our language. In public they all spoke English. I have come across a number of second and even third generation Hispanics who either do not speak English or at least pretend they do not.

When I was in school, the foreign language requirement could be met by taking Spanish, German or French. Today Spanish is the only option and it is mandatory.

Perhaps when you are done mellowing out, you will check into the real facts.

It all comes down to "do they respect our country? Do they love our country? Do they want to be a part of our country?". Every old generation Immigrant every question would be a firm Yes. New generations every question is a firm No.

Thats right the ones that came here in the early years done it the right way they come through ELLIS ISLAND and were screened for criminal records diseases and other things. If their records wasnt clean or they were carrying diseases the was sent back.The ones that stayed here had it rough too some people didnt want to accept them either but they carried on learned ENGLISH and become some of our most productive citizans.The ones that sneak in dont want to learn anything they are here to cause trouble and to take everything they can get for nothing plus to take the country back they think we stole from them.I guess thats why they take everything handout free stuff and steal want they dont get for free feels like they are getting it back.I cant complain my ancestors were Irish and Scotish descent on my dads side Dutch Irish on my mothers.In history you look how thr ones that came here legally had to live in certain parts of towns and cities.Thats how you get names like Germantown Chinatown and others.If anybody has a right to be mad it should be the american indian they live all along and a bunch immigrants came and ran them off their land. I guess we came and learned to speak their language. The early immigrants that did come legally dont the right things they didnt want to mess up and be sent back they were proud to call themselves AMERICANS not like the ones today legal or not they like to be called African American Muslim american and so forth as i told you of my descendants was but BY GOLLY IM A AMERICAN AND PROUD OF IT.

Originally Posted by cayla99

Originally Posted by xfighter

Here's the thing. Like any group of immigrants, the first generation usually has the hardest time integrating. It was true with the Irish, the Gernmans, and it's true with Hispanics. I've yet to come across a second generation Hispanic who does not speak English. That's one reason I don't believe any of this crap about how we'll all need to learn to speak Spanish. The future generations usually always integrate as the older generations die out.

The reason we have to press 1 for English is because of the never ending flow of FIRST generation immigrants. If there was a never ending flow of German immigrants people back then would be dealing with the same problem. It's really not that hard to understand people. We need to halt the flow of people over the border for security and infrastructure reasons which are legitimate reasons. But Conservatives always use the wrong reasons and go about it the wrong way, which is why we can never get anything done and will never get anything done. Conservatives need to mellow out and think about the problem rationally.

I am assuming you do not live in California. The reason I reach that assumption is for many jobs there English is optional but Spanish is a requirement.

What about the Oregon firefighters who were fired or demoted for not speaking Spanish?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FR5MjzHngnc

I would say 50 years of mass Irish immigration produced numerous decades of first generation immigrants, yet somehow they all managed to learn our language. In public they all spoke English. I have come across a number of second and even third generation Hispanics who either do not speak English or at least pretend they do not.

When I was in school, the foreign language requirement could be met by taking Spanish, German or French. Today Spanish is the only option and it is mandatory.

Perhaps when you are done mellowing out, you will check into the real facts.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't most Irish immigrants speak English? Wasn't the English language taking over as the primary language in Ireland in the 19th century? A better example to use would be Germans and Italians. Many first generation peoples of those countries continue to speak their homeland language. It was their children that were assimilating similar to today's Hispanic 2nd generation population.

And I HIGHLY doubt they do not speak English. If they're going to school here, there's no escaping having to learn English.

Originally Posted by xfighter

Originally Posted by cayla99

Originally Posted by xfighter

Here's the thing. Like any group of immigrants, the first generation usually has the hardest time integrating. It was true with the Irish, the Gernmans, and it's true with Hispanics. I've yet to come across a second generation Hispanic who does not speak English. That's one reason I don't believe any of this crap about how we'll all need to learn to speak Spanish. The future generations usually always integrate as the older generations die out.

The reason we have to press 1 for English is because of the never ending flow of FIRST generation immigrants. If there was a never ending flow of German immigrants people back then would be dealing with the same problem. It's really not that hard to understand people. We need to halt the flow of people over the border for security and infrastructure reasons which are legitimate reasons. But Conservatives always use the wrong reasons and go about it the wrong way, which is why we can never get anything done and will never get anything done. Conservatives need to mellow out and think about the problem rationally.

I am assuming you do not live in California. The reason I reach that assumption is for many jobs there English is optional but Spanish is a requirement.

What about the Oregon firefighters who were fired or demoted for not speaking Spanish?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FR5MjzHngnc

I would say 50 years of mass Irish immigration produced numerous decades of first generation immigrants, yet somehow they all managed to learn our language. In public they all spoke English. I have come across a number of second and even third generation Hispanics who either do not speak English or at least pretend they do not.

When I was in school, the foreign language requirement could be met by taking Spanish, German or French. Today Spanish is the only option and it is mandatory.

Perhaps when you are done mellowing out, you will check into the real facts.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't most Irish immigrants speak English? Wasn't the English language taking over as the primary language in Ireland in the 19th century? A better example to use would be Germans and Italians. Many first generation peoples of those countries continue to speak their homeland language. It was their children that were assimilating similar to today's Hispanic 2nd generation population.

And I HIGHLY doubt they do not speak English. If they're going to school here, there's no escaping having to learn English.

Please consider yourself corrected, The Irish Immigrants from the 1800's to early 1900's spoke Irish Gaelic.

The Irish often lived in the poorest of ghettoes in Eastern cities. While some Irish spoke English, unlike other immigrants, some spoke only their native Gaelic. The Irish who were not impeded by a language barrier found easier employment.

http://www.udel.edu/soe/deal/IrishImmigrationFacts.html

In all fairness, the upper crust, politicians and such did speak English, the peasants and farmers, particularly in the Provence of Munster where the majority of immigrants came from, was primarily Irish speakers. It was the poor that immigrated here, not the upper classes