Thread: Heritage Foundation Drafted NAFTA, President Trump Can Scrap It

Originally Posted by Judy

Oh it will shut them down, put them out of business. Well, the FairTax has 76 bill Sponsors in the US House of Representatives including the Chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee. It will pass the US House of Representatives in a heart-beat and I think in 2017 it will pass the US Senate. I think Trump will sign it into law in a New York Minute. The stars have aligned for passage of the FairTax. Hope it happens, you'll love it, believe me. You'll be wondering why it hadn't passed sooner. And the reason for that is simple. We need a majority in the House, Senate and the White House with a President who understands taxes. This will be our first real chance to pass it in 2017. We'll see how it goes.

Geez, isn't it about time to wake up to the reality that the fate of the unfair tax bill has already been determined? For a number of reasons, it will never pass. Anyone that thinks differently is simply fooling themselves. The bill has languished in the Congress for almost two decades. Hello, there's a reason for that. It's not a workable plan. Heck, Trump even realized that and came up with his own proposal. The bill, like so many other bad bills (ideas), will never get out of committee to see a floor vote. No plan that decreases the tax burden on the wealthy and increases the burden on the middle class is going to find much favor with the voting public. I'm not saying our current tax system is a good one, just saying the unfair tax is not all its supporters claim it to be. Catchy soundbites and empty promises just aren't enough to make the plan plausible. I encourage anyone truly interested in this issue do your own research.

http://www.fairtaxfraud.com/fallout.asp

Originally Posted by MW

Geez, isn't it about time to wake up to the reality that the fate of the unfair tax bill has already been determined? For a number of reasons, it will never pass. Anyone that thinks differently is simply fooling themselves. The bill has languished in the Congress for almost two decades. Hello, there's a reason for that. It's not a workable plan. Heck, Trump even realized that and came up with his own proposal. The bill, like so many other bad bills (ideas), will never get out of committee to see a floor vote. No plan that decreases the tax burden on the wealthy and increases the burden on the middle class is going to find much favor with the voting public. I'm not saying our current tax system is a good one, just saying the unfair tax is not all its supporters claim it to be. Catchy soundbites and empty promises just aren't enough to make the plan plausible. I encourage anyone truly interested in this issue do your own research.

http://www.fairtaxfraud.com/fallout.asp

That's your opinion. I and millions of other Americans including 84 Sponsors in the US Congress disagree with you. Go ahead and attack the FairTax. That's what all the Democrats do, been arguing with them for years about it. I'm just very surprised that I'd be arguing with a Republican about it, especially one who claims he doesn't want to "pick winners and losers" which is all the income tax has done to the disadvantage of the United States and the American People for 103 years. So 18 years, with 2 under Bill Clinton, 8 years of it under Barack Obama, and the other 8 under GW Bush, doesn't surprise me that the FairTax didn't pass yet. 2017 will be the first time since the FairTax was introduced into Congress that we've had control of the House, the Senate, and the White House with a President who understands taxes and cares about the American People.

He's going to work on passing his tax cuts first, then Congress will work on the FairTax, and if Congress passes it which I think it will, then he'll sign it into law. The middle class will always carry the burden of taxation in the United States, because it's the largest group of taxpayers. That's just a mathematical fact.

Under the FairTax, rich people pay the same FairTax on their new goods and service purchases as anyone else, just like they do with a state sales tax. They even get the rebate if they want to mess with it. They will probably pay more FairTax per person because they spend more which is good. Whatever they spend on new retail goods and services, they pay FairTax on it same as everyone else. That's why it's called the FairTax. Everyone pays the same FairTax on whatever they voluntarily decide to purchase in new goods and services at the retail final point of sale.

I'm really shocked that you think rich people should be treated differently in this great country than you're treated. Everyone should be treated the same under the law in the United States. The FairTax achieves that on the issue of taxation, and rightly so.

I am not saying it is a bad idea, but I have reservations.

Just looking at the realities, though, and past history. These people aren't going to give up the hold they have. I didn't even say 'without a fight' because I don't think they will need to fight.

Maybe, if a President Trump gets 8 years, turns us around, and the American get their backbones back and their heads on straight, it might be possible.

Again, the devil is in the details. By the time it makes it to the floor, everyone will have either added to or slice away until it will be unrecognizable.

That's the nature of the beast.

In the 18 years it's been studied, there have been 2 changes to it.

1. adding a Sunset provision for subsequent repeal of the 16th Amendment within 7 years
2. exempting education because it's an expense of production instead of consumption and should not be taxed

The Democrats will want to do something with the Rebate, probably exclude "rich" people who earn over $100,000 a year, so it only rebates poor people.

That's fine. I don't want the Rebate and wouldn't mess with it to begin with.

There's really nothing else to change. It's a really simple piece of legislation.

The fact 'there's nothing else to change' is , in my opinion, the main reason it won't pass.

Why?

Originally Posted by Judy

Why?

Because it doesn't give the big boys/special interest groups enough wiggle room to get their 'goodies'.

Again, I'm not against it totally. It is a really good idea in theory.

Getting it into law, it will be something we won't even recognize.

Again, I don't like the prebates. That is going to put each and every American/family on the government receiving end.

I don't think that is a good idea. It develops a mindset that is not healthy. It gives the politicians a fishhook to use as a threat.

Judy wrote:

That's your opinion. I and millions of other Americans including 84 Sponsors in the US Congress disagree with you. Go ahead and attack the FairTax. That's what all the Democrats do, been arguing with them for years about it. I'm just very surprised that I'd be arguing with a Republican about it, especially one who claims he doesn't want to "pick winners and losers" which is all the income tax has done to the disadvantage of the United States and the American People for 103 years.

The very fact that the bill has been languishing in the U.S. House Committee of Ways and Means for almost two decades makes it much more than an opinion. Furthermore, please point me to where I said anything about picking "winners and losers". Those are not words I have ever used and don't appreciate being accused of saying something I haven't said.

He's going to work on passing his tax cuts first, then Congress will work on the FairTax, and if Congress passes it which I think it will, then he'll sign it into law. The middle class will always carry the burden of taxation in the United States, because it's the largest group of taxpayers. That's just a mathematical fact.

There has been no mention anywhere of Congress taking up the unfair tax plan next month, next year, or 10 years from now. It's time to get over this obsession and move on. No, the middle class shouldn't shoulder an unfair burden where taxes are concerned, even Donald Trump has said repeatedly that the wealthy should take on a larger tax burden. There should not be a tax plan that specifically singles out the middle class and gives breaks and loopholes to the rich. That is not fair and equal taxation. That's one of the problems with your so-called fair tax plan. It's all catchy soundbites and fuzzy math that won't live up to its promises. It's supporters claim it's equal and fair, but it's not.

Under the FairTax, rich people pay the same FairTax on their new goods and service purchases as anyone else, just like they do with a state sales tax. They even get the rebate if they want to mess with it. They will probably pay more FairTax per person because they spend more which is good. Whatever they spend on new retail goods and services, they pay FairTax on it same as everyone else. That's why it's called the FairTax. Everyone pays the same FairTax on whatever they voluntarily decide to purchase in new goods and services at the retail final point of sale.

I know that's the simple logic you would like the uninformed to believe, but it's not that simple and you know it. Please read:

http://www.fairtaxfraud.com/fallout.asp

I'm really shocked that you think rich people should be treated differently in this great country than you're treated. Everyone should be treated the same under the law in the United States. The FairTax achieves that on the issue of taxation, and rightly so.

No, the shouldn't be treated differently, but everyone should be treated fairly. And that just doesn't happen under the so-called fair tax plan. Time to stop spreading propaganda favorable to an agenda a research the actual facts. Here's a starting off point that does a good job exposing the deceptive so-called tax plan:

http://www.fairtaxfraud.com/fallout.asp

You may also want to try these:

http://www.thespectrum.com/story/opi...fair/10213657/

http://readersupportednews.org/pm-se...r-tax-not-fair

http://www.chronicleonline.com/conte...x-not-fair-all

http://www.nysun.com/opinion/scareta...fairtax/68160/

http://www.ctj.org/pdf/perryflattaxfairtax.pdf

That should be enough to start you on the road to reform and understanding.

LOL!! You posted articles and agreed with Palin on "picking winners and losers" and articles about Ex Im Bank about "picking winners and losers", it's the mantra. If you post it in a post where you agree with it, then it's the same as you saying it.

The bill has not been "languishing". When in the past 18 years have we had control of House, Senate and White House with a President who understands taxes? It's not "languishing" with a Democrat President, it's a non event with a Democrat President. You think Clinton, Bush and Obama were going to do something that would be good for our country? No, of course not, they're free traders who wanted to run jobs out of our country, their New World Order, march to One World Government run by multinationals.

That's not where we are now. We're in a whole different place. But think whatever you want about it, it doesn't make any difference to me whether you like it or not or whether you think it will pass or not.

I like it and I think it will pass and be signed into law by our 45th President of the United States.

Judy wrote:

LOL!! You posted articles and agreed with Palin on "picking winners and losers" and articles about Ex Im Bank about "picking winners and losers", it the mantra. If you post it in a post where you agree with it, then it's the same as you saying it.

Sometimes you worry me, Judy. When an individual post an article, whether they agree with it or not, does not mean they support or don't support every single word in the post and it certainly doesn't mean they said it. That you would suggest otherwise is just ridiculous.

On the unfair tax bill, yes, to put it kindly, it's languishing. To use a more direct and harsher word, it's dead. Always was and always will be. The American people won't be sold such a rotten bag of goods.